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wow that was fast, we're on 31 already:eek:, way to blabber blossom mamas LOL

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crap, just a sec

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"toothy35" wrote:

i'm sick of all this rain.....i'm taking the kiddo's to the movies to go see RIO!!!!!! bbl.........

"shefrn1" wrote:

:wavehello: no real time sorry...kids are napping...gotta shower and start packing for myself...kids are packed and everything else is packed and ready to go!!!

hope you guys are having a great day!!!!

"isisgoddess_1" wrote:

Hi everyone.

Kelly- that is really tough. I hope today isnt a bad day for him.

Julie- we had one of those days yesterday. It ended really badly. I hope the threes end soon.

Mel- where is the fashion show?

Colleen- tell me how the kids like Rio

"Jumarse" wrote:

Promise promise I'll catch up, but I did talk to the pedi about Colby's behaviors, and she agrees the are beyond the normal range on frequency and what he does. Anyway more on that later, yes to pink eye and an EI.

Karrie I do want to hear more about Joey. Tell me about his stuff and what you did, and how things are better now.

Thanks for letting me snap for the day, bbl to catch up.

"luangwa" wrote:

This is going to brief and to the point. I've had a most interesting morning :rolleyes: But I didn't feel like I could leave 45+ posts uncommented on.

:bighug: Wow, you have nerves of steal, because I would have given up and ran away about 6 months ago. :bighug:

Ouch. Are you starting to feel stiff and sore? I fell like that once and as the next day progressed, I bacame more stiff. Sad

LOVE that. is that off the new line, or is that being sold on ebay? I think that is the cutest yet.

If you find the camp, ask if they take 1 year olds.

First, I'm so so so sorry. I would have busted down and scooped Jax up and taken him home. NOT the right thing to do at all. I'm proud of you. You know, I'm a hardass when it comes to behaviour and manners etc, but man I'm a softie with my kids in situations like that and I so would have given in to him.

Second, my plans were to sell her MJ on ebay. I told myself the only way I was going to buy MJ is if I resold them. Ack. I'd love to be able to just give them to you.

Enjoy. I have a bootleg copy from M's dad. I'm not too crazy about it, it's a tad inappropriate for preschoolers, but I'm extremely conservative. Jax loves it. :rolleyes:

I miss you. Are you going to have time for us later?

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Very interested to hear what she has to say. Our tantrums stopped, and while they were no where near the frequency, I'm positive that Jax has Colby beat on the intensity. Yep, they were aweful. Have gotten WAY better, but I have my own theories about them. That's why I want to hear what your pedi said.

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LOVE that outfit Colleen!!

Miles is way into Wall-E right now. It's interesting because there's not really any dialogue (if any - I didn't watch the whole thing) so he just does this whole running commentary on his own.

So that's one I would suggest.

Waiting anxiously for more posts from Mel and Jules. What's with the teasers?

"StateChick" wrote:

Me too!

Julie, :bigarmhug:

"gottharf" wrote:

Wow, I need to get out more. Never even heard of it. :eek:

Who cares about catching up - what did your pedi say??

Yeah! It's an absolutely beautiful day here and I have had just one child asleep on a rotating basis since 6:30am (Brian and Micah, but now Noelle is finally down for a nap, too, so right now Micah is sitting next to me yakking at a toy ring). If I can't go anywhere AND yet still have no free time, I'm going to eat cookies and read about other people's more interesting lives. So humor me and start talking! lol

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just got back an hour ago from the book store, I went to OUAC and bought a new stroller, ya know, because the 3 in the shed aren't enough LOL. I"m going to sell the snap n' go on Kijiji for what I paid for it, and I have to sell the Combi, it's just not ideal anymore, the one I bought was a used Peg Perego Pliko, it has the foot stand on the back that Aidan can stand on while I'm pushing William and it also folds pretty small like the Combi so that's a biggie. I'm going to keep the Sit N' Stand for trips like the zoo because Aidan will have the option to sit if he wants as well. So I should pretty much get the money back for what I Paid for the Pliko ($80) everywhere I look on line a used one is going for over $100 so this was a pretty good deal and the stroller istelf is in pretty good condition, it pushes like a dream too.

Aidan is in bed, he threw some good fits when we came home because he's tired, now to see how long I want him to sleep for, maybe I'll just let him sleep and deal with a later bed time.

William needs a good nap now, he had a few catnaps while we were out but not enough for him, but he's still happy...except when I caught his little arm in the buckles for the bouncy chair Sad his little bottom lip goes out and he bawled, then he got over it really fast, my poor guy, I almost cried too.

"gottharf" wrote:

LOVE your new siggy, Candace!!!! Esp the shot of Cadence, she's absolutely beautiful!!!

"Jumarse" wrote:

Alrighty, got a second, forced naps on both the kids and they took the bait, lol! whoohoo!!!

Jennifer :bigarmhug: Girl I KNOW you are feeling so stressed and overwhelmed, not having ANY free moments in a day to just SIT is horrible. Sad I'm so sorry things continue to be rough, just keep the faith that things will get better...if you lose that you'll go off the deep end. And this is coming from someone who had a foot in the water of the deep end!!

Kelly, I'm so sorry today was so hard with Owen. Sad That just sucks so bad. Awww, I think you are totaly making the right choice to just keep him home til he can go to the new school. Poor baby and poor Momma. :bigarmhug:

Colleen, I can TOTALLY see Lulu in that outfit! She's such an adorable girl, such a sweet face, I think those clothes totally fit her! DO IT! And take pictures, lol!

Emily, yowza on the fall, I know that sucker still has to hurt. Dern these kids and their games that we end up getting hurt!

Oh and I think Wall-e is such a hit with Colby because there really isn't much dialogue like you said...there is some towards the end when they figure out that they've been duped into living in the space ship for eons, but not too terribly much!

Hi Pegarooni! Hope you post some pics while you are there with yer fancy nook, you can do that right?

And you too Kelly, don't make us wait til you get back!

K, sorry if I missed anything else!

So the ironic thing is, before doing CPS I was a counselor for kids with behavior/anger/trust/etc issues, so on paper, I know exactly what to do about everything. Including the bear holds I've had to do at least 4 times in the past few weeks to keep Colby from really hurting himself. But when it's my kid, totally different story. So basically, and I'm thinking the same might be for Jax, with the speech delay, the wiring is kind of off, right? So it serves to tell that the wiring can also be off for anger management, realistic reactions to events, etc. Which Karrie, am I right in remembering it was Joey with the speech delay?? The things he gets upset about probably a lot of 3 year olds would get upset at, it's the reaction as a whole and his inability to snap out of it. Mel, would you say this is the same for Jax? So one thing that happened today was when I went into Daphne's room and turned off the fan that I use for white noise, he came storming up the stairs hysterical because I didn't wait for him to turn the fan off. So for close to 15 minutes he's screaming at the top of his lungs, throwing himself on the floor, thrashing around, kicking the crib, kicking the fan, pounding his head on the carpeted floor. Normally I pick him up and plop him in a chair so he doesn't hurt himself, so sometimes he'll slide out of the chair and thrash around, etc, so that's when I've done the bear hold on him. Mel I'm pretty sure I've heard you talk about very similar situations with Jax, yes? So for the fan issue, yes some 3 year olds might get mad at that, etc, but it's the intensity and his not being able to even calm down enough to hear anything, I swear he just sees either red or white when he does this stuff, he doesn't actually see the room his in or even hear me.

So that was a long story, but basically the pedi said that she's sure we'd be eligible for programs like I worked for before if I was interested...which I'm not right now. First off, I know everyone in this area who works in that field, and it's a small couple of counties in these parts. I do know the eligibility requirements, and yeah he'd qualify, but same as speech...it's teaching YOU what to teach your child, and like I said on paper I know this stuff. It's just really hard to separate what I know clinically needs to be done, and watching my child who I'm scared is going to continue to have behavior and anger problems his whole life...and what that might mean for him, and even us as a family. I know that all sounds dramatic and all, but I guess I'm also jaded seeing the families I dealt with, and if anything Colby's behaviors have gotten way worse over time.

So anyway, Mel do tell what your thoughts are. And Karrie too. And anyone else who has any input!!! Honestly most days are fine, just like when he was a baby...but some days I just snap like today and think I can't deal with it another second, let alone for the rest of the day, knowing that lather rinse repeat is the status quo.

"Jumarse" wrote:

Oh yeah, more to add to that....we also talked about how Colby screamed all the time as a baby, remember she asked me to document the length of time, the one day it was 8 hours of screaming, the other day it was 9 hours, just pure screaming. So basically he never learned to self soothe, something that bothered him then just set him off intensely and he couldn't snap out of it. So that's translated into now, where he's got minimal coping skills, which really most 3 year olds don't have a lot of anyway. Something that would get a reaction out of a lot of kids he takes it to a whole other level.

K, that's all, lol!

OK that's better LOL, don't know what happened

I hate locking threads, such a PITA, I wish it was unlimited like our CS thread wasn't supposed to be LOL

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Julie that makes alot of sense. Joshua never learned to self soothe either. He is outrageous when it comes to his temper now. He cant seem to calm himself down. Last night I took off his diaper to bath him and he started screaming, thrashing, hitting. Nothing I could do calmed him down for the entire shower and afterwards. When he finally ran out of steam I had to hold him and comfort him for his breathing to slow down. Then the dang asthma coughing started in. Also since he didnt learn to self soothe I still have to lay with him while he digs his feet under me for him to fall asleep. It is true I dont think it is a totally related to the speech delay but I see how the wiring problems can be connected.

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Julie, wow! :bigarmhug:

You are right, you know the right things to do - TRUST YOURSELF and you will also know if you need to reach out for more help.

No experience with this...interested to see what other say!

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Ok, so you are not going to believe this

First the background. Abs has decided to refuse sleeping unless she is laying down with me. This happened a while back and it was pretty easy to break her of it, except it's not going all the easy this time and as of today she has decided to also boycott napping on her own. Last night was a nightmare and after 2 hours of trying to get her to sleep in her crib, (with Dh's help as well) I gave up, told her she wasn't going to get far in life being more stubborn that her mom, and crawled into bed with her. :rolleyes: So, fast forward to this morning. I woke up about 5ish and snuck her in her crib and got in my own bed for an hour before my alarm went off. :rolleyes:
Everyone wakes up at their normal 6:45ish time. Jax got up first, then Abs 15 min later. Get Abs breakfast and take Jax to PS. Come home and start our fashion shoot. Everything was fine until the last outfit change, which I totally expected. She was wanting a snack and was ready for her morning nap. At this time it's now 9:00am, and I get her a snack and some boob juice and settle down into the rocking chair with her. She finishes nursing, takes her bink and rolls her head into me like she always does when she's ready to fall asleep. Put her in her crib and she starts fussing. Normally I can put her in her crib and if she doesn't fall right to sleep, she sits up and plays with Violet for a few minutes and then falls asleep. Nope, she starts screaming. Go in and get her out of the crib, she pretty much is unconsolable unless I stand up and act like I'm going to lay down with her. (I figured this out, because for a change of scene, I sat on the bed with her and she promptly shut up because she thought I was going to lay down with her. :rolleyes: ) Crying screaming wailing. I go from the rocking chair to the glider in Jax room, back downstairs with her, back upstairs, offer another boob, offer another snack. At my wits end, stick her in the crib and walk out of the room and plug my ears for 30 seconds and just breath. Go back in, she is crying so hard she is gagging herself. Pick her up and she settles down for a bit while I'm bouncing around the room. Go to sit in the chair instead of get in bed and she starts freaking out again. But, dagnabit I am not going to lay down with her every time she wants to sleep, I know this is all my fault to begin with but I'm done. After FOREVER, I finally get her settled down and sleeping and so I sit with her for about 10 minutes and then gently lay her down. Walk down the stairs, and I had NO IDEA 2 HOURS AND 17 MINUTES had gone by. :EEK: It was 11:17 and I am supposed to be at the schoold to get Jax at 11:15.
Oh yes you read that one right. I have broke the cardinal rule of picking my child up late. NEVER NEVER NEVER PICK UP A 3 YEAR OLD LATE. NEVER. WORTHLESS MOTHERS PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN LATE. MOTHERS THAT HAVE CPS CALLED ON THEM PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN LATE. And that is exactly what I feel like, a worthless no good mother. It never even occured to me to think about how much time had elapsed. And when I realized the time, I realized that yes, this has been going on for a very LONG time. :rolleyes: OhMyGosh. I still can't believe it. I was 15 mintues late to get him. The poor little boy was standing in front of the door with one of the aides (not the bad one) just waiting for me. And when I opened the door he lit up like a Christmas Tree and said "Momma, you came." :eek:

So, that was my morning. Sad

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Oh no Mel. You are not a bad, worthless mother. You are a caring one. You just got caught up in trying to get Abs to rely on herself to fall asleep. That is crazy it took so long. I could never stand all that mess which is why I broke down every time and cawled into bed with Josh. It is really really tough. Sorry you were so late to get Jax.

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Aw Mel! :bigarmhug: Holy heck, that WAS a super long time to get her to try and nap. And you know to hell and back you are not a bad Mom, you were helping one child who needed you at that moment, and were so intent on helping her you just lost track of time. You can't beat yourself up Momma. Jax was in a safe place. Aw, and Jax saying what he did, what a lovebug!! Speaking of the bad aide, whatever came of that, did I miss it??

Kat, you know I think the brain wiring thing has more to do with it than anything, I know you've said that Josh does things too that are out there as far as reactions to things.

Candace meant to say before, LOVE that new siggy shot! Your kids are SO sweet!!

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Julie- what are some suggestions you have that I could use to calm Josh down quicker or to keep the violence down?

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Mel- I know this is a dumb question, but how do you buy stuff on FMC? Do I normally have to use Paypal. I have bought stuff on Ebay before. Does that mean I have a paypal account? how do I use it to pay for something on FMC? I am so confused.

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Kat, I'll come up with some stuff for you later, D is waking up! I'll probably PM it to you, some of the stuff although it's clinically sound, can get some people antsy as far as it's not rainbows and sunshine how you are supposed to deal with stuff. And I'm not talking about anyone on April at all, I just know we have a lot of lurkers and would rather not open a can of worms, lol!

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Julie- sounds good to me. Thank you cause I am at my wits end and I find myself starting to deal with it the wrong way.

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Julie...you had/have it waaay harder than I do with Jay...I hate to complain to you at all! Although with Jay never learning to self-soothe...who knows what I'll be in for in a year....

Crazy morning Mel! Sounds oddly familiar to me though...not the late pick-up part thankfully. If John Henry were in school right now, we'd all be in trouble! Bad mom my arse! Stuff happens.....you're not used to that kind of epic battle with Abs... try not to feel bad about it...just let it go!

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Kat, ((hugs)) to you, too -

Mel, PLEASE...def not a bad mother! But you know that. Cadence would probably rather I be 15 min late picking her up from something than to yell at her and Ella like I did yesterday. But I think Julie put it perfectly, you were helping your other child that needed you! If Abs ever doubts that you love her she should just look in her closet. Wink

Emily (msmama), how are you recovering from your fall this afternoon?
[edited: how are you recovering this afternoon, from your fall yesterday evening? -- Is that right? Why has all of my grammatical knowledge flown out the window?!]

Colleen, how was the movie? Ruth, ftr, I haven't heard of it either. It is one thing that I can't keep up with pop culture, but I'm feeling really stupid that I don't really keep up with the news these days either. I used to be a news/politics junkie. Ohh, and I hate days when my three rotate nap times.

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Also, Ruth, do you use Manual mode on your camera? I think you and Jordan have a similar lens (but Nikon v Canon) - maybe you have some pointers! I love looking at pictures from both of yall.

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Julies, wish I knew how to quote from one post and post in another, but I don't.

Yes, that is exactly what we were going through with Jax. It started about 6 months after Abigail was born, when he realized she wasn't going away, at the same time his comprehensive age was at a 3 YO level, yet his expressive was still very very very behind, I think we were still at less than 10 words spoken, mostly sign language and a lot of whining. Then one day a switch was flipped and his tantrums (which were always abnormal) went up about another 7 notches. And it was the same intensity you described. And they DON'T STOP when they start. Yes, to every question you asked of me. YES YES YES.

Jax did not scream like Colby as a baby, he was a pretty happy baby, but all of his needs and communication came in the form of crying. In hindsight, I understand it. Jax didn't babble because he couldn't babble, he WANTED to babble and his little brain tried to babble, so he cried, whimpered, grunted instead. BUT he was happy. Very difficult concept to describe, but if you spent anytime with him you would totally get what I mean. This was another 'thing' that didn't line up with a simple speech delay. A baby with a delay isn't unhapppy that they aren't babbling because they have no clue that they should/want to babble. So, there is no frustration, Make sense? Sorry, got off track there.

Julie, I'm totally coming from what I've experienced, not in any way am I trying to put your experiences in our box. KWIM? I've thought a million and one times that something is not quite right with Jax and I've talked to his pedi about it. I feared for so long that he was autistic, (and then I met a boy with autism and that fear disappeared). Before I saw with my own eyes what autism was, I had asked his Dr several times about autism and she just kept saying NO WAY (remember she has a child with a specific speech disorder, not a speech delay). She's reassured me several times that autism spectrum disorders are not even a possibility with Jax. I've asked about an eval with a devolpemental pedi, she reassures me that it isn't necessary and if she had even the slightest hint that one would be, she would say so, but just keeps telling me it would be a waste of our money. All of the things that send up red flags about his behaviour, she assures me is part of the apraxia. You can't have a child whose comprehensive age is around 4 and whose verbal age is around 20 months and NOT have behavior issues, the brain is working at polar opposites of each other. Now, like I said, this may or may not apply to you as well, I don't remember what Colby's last evals were, but even children who have a year difference in receptive and expressive can experience a lot of frustration to the point of a meltdown, add to that a demanding personality over a passive one and you have a recipe for off the chart tantrums. KWIM?

You know, I started this big long run off at the mouth explanation because I wanted to comment about what you said regarding being scared of having a child with life long anger/behavior problems. Don't go borrowing trouble from the future. Just don't even think that far ahead. Jax's behavior got increasingly worse before it got better. I've noticed in the last 2 months how much he has 'grown up' and matured. He is quickly reaching that age of reason that most kids hit when they are 4 and I've seen vast improvements in him. He is now able to check himself, by that I mean, I can see the look in his eye that he is going to go postal, and now he opens his mouth, clenches his fist, the veins in his neck pop out, he tenses his whole body and he gives one 3 second long scream, takes a big breath and relaxes, then his wits come back to him and he says 'sowwy momma'. Colby will get there too. I promise. I felt the exact same way that you did, that I was going to have a child that never learned to NOT go ballistic, because his behavior was getting worse instead of better.

I honestly have 7 million other things to say regarding this. But I'm aweful at typing out my thoughts in a clear concise manner. Man I wish we could just sit down together and have about 7 cups of coffee and a few hours and chat this over.

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I love this board! Thanks for typing that out, Mel - I hope Julie and Kat will find hope in what you wrote!

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"isisgoddess_1" wrote:

Mel- I know this is a dumb question, but how do you buy stuff on FMC? Do I normally have to use Paypal. I have bought stuff on Ebay before. Does that mean I have a paypal account? how do I use it to pay for something on FMC? I am so confused.

Not a dumb question at all. Let me explain it.
First, you do have to have a paypal account. Just because you bought off ebay doesn't necessarily mean you do have a pp account, but it is more than likely that you do. You have to sign onto your pp account, just go to paypal.com Your user name is always your email address and if you don't know what your password is, you can take the appropriate steps to figure that out.

The first step is posting in a thread with the item you want and giving your zipcode along with that. Typically everyone just copies the pic, description and price of what they want and then pastes it in a post reply and says something like. "Me Please to 42122." Adding your zip is so the seller can figure out the exact shipping fees if the item weighs over 13oz. (13oz ships first class and is the same price everywhere in the US.)

Then the seller will pm you a total with their paypal address.

Then you log into paypal, click on the 'send money' tab and follow the steps. It's pretty self explanatory, there are boxes to fill in, the sellers pp address, the amount, whether the money is for goods, services, or gift (ALWAYS CHOOSE GOODS), there are 2 pages that will load when sending money, the second page is the info that you filled in and then what bank account or credit card is going to be used to fund this transaction, then at the bottom is a message box. ALWAYS type in the message box WHAT you are buying, YOUR user name on FMC, and that you are from FMC. 90% of the users on FMC are also selling on GF and JJP, so it's easy for a seller to be expecting payment for several differnet transactions and giving details for your purchase just insures they aren't confusing you with someone else.
That's all you have to do. PayPal will notify the seller of your shipping address etc.

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Thanks for asking Candace (and I totally got what you meant the first time, lol). Knee and elboy are still REALLy sore, but I can tell it's nothing serious, you know. Just be in pain for the next few days.

:bigarmhug: to everyone who needs 'em.

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too tired...just a fly by :wavehello:

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Got the Holiday Knot - I could BARELY squeeze Cadence into it. Haven't tried it on Ella yet, but I'm thinking C is gonna still need a 4 in the knots.

Off to children's choir - two more weeks...can't wait for it to be over!!

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wow......((((((((((HUGS MEL, JULIE, KAT)))))))))))))
i'm so sorry you all have this to deal with.......even with lucy's speech delay.....we had NONE of this......NOTHING.......she has never had a behavior issue......i am so so so sorry that you all have these daily meltdowns......i can't even imagine........i need to go find a shovel to help me scoop my lower jaw back up.......i'm just floored with everything i just read!!!!!!!

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*hugs* to you guys...Mel, Julie, Kat...

I really just can't imagine. You all have some amazing little boys though.

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*hugs* to you guys...Mel, Julie, Kat...

I really just can't imagine. You all have some amazing little boys though.

This seriously. I hate complainging about the typical behaviour of Aidan when you all are having these issues Sad

you are all such great mamas though and I can see how hard you're working with them, they are and will grow up to be great men, I have no doubt. :bighug:

Mel, sorry about your bad mama moment, let me tell you, you've done what every other mama has done at least once before, it still doesn't make you feel any better I'm sure.

Aidan had to be put to bed early, but he just quieted down now LOL, he had a nap and I knew it would take a while, he was singing up until now.

OK William has been in bed for half an hour, I'm not making the same mistake I made last night, Nighty night y'all. I hope I can get on here tomorrow, I have to pack for windsor and it's much easier while Aidan's at daycare, so I'll have to get that done. yeah I talk big, but we'll just see what happens when I have some peace here tomorrow lol

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manoman (colleen ;)) ... you guys were freaking chatty too...sorry...can't read back...just got in from confirmation and the ice cream parlor after....super tired....just wanted to jump on and wish everyone a happy couple of weeks....hopefully i'll atleast be able to lurk at night if im night to tired while i'm gone but not sure how much posting i'll be able to do!!!!

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How is this for random----manoman I hope I didnt totally freak up my eyebrows.

:eek:

I cant remember the last time I plucked......holy cow that should be torture.

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wow......((((((((((HUGS MEL, JULIE, KAT)))))))))))))
i'm so sorry you all have this to deal with.......even with lucy's speech delay.....we had NONE of this......NOTHING.......she has never had a behavior issue......i am so so so sorry that you all have these daily meltdowns......i can't even imagine........i need to go find a shovel to help me scoop my lower jaw back up.......i'm just floored with everything i just read!!!!!!!

Because Lucy had a speech/language delay and Jax (maybe Colby and Josh) has a speech disorder, we still don't know yet what disorder we are dealing with, but he is making great head way being treated specifically for apraxia, which is so much more than just working on articulation. I have to tell you, that being able to pick your brain and ask questions about Lucy was a tremendous help to me in understanding that Jax was dealing with so much more than a speech/language delay, and it gave me great insight as how to proceed with treatment for him. I know I asked things that were personal and strange and I know sometimes I left you scratching your head, but thanks for all the information you so openly shared with me.

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*hugs* to you guys...Mel, Julie, Kat...

I really just can't imagine. You all have some amazing little boys though.

You know what? Rick and I say this all the time. He is an incredible boy in so many ways. We often talk about his future and with his very sensitive caring little heart wonder just how this speech disorder is going to end up an asset of his instead of a disability. There is a little girl in his preschool class. She has mild cerebral palsy, she is in a wheelchair, but still has quite a bit of control over her upper body and she communicates with simple gestures and head movements, facial expressions etc. but she doesn't talk except for a few noises. All of the children are kind to her, but they don't play with her or go out of their way to interact with her. (their 3 kwim?) Jaxon does, he chooses to sit right next to her for breakfast and lunch and he talks with her. They have group time and free-time. During free time, they are allowed to explore the different learning stations where there are toys for pretend play. His teacher told me that Jax will be playing with something and go over to Addie and ask her if she would like to play with it and that he tells her all about it. Made me cry, with pride of course.

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Got the Holiday Knot - I could BARELY squeeze Cadence into it. Haven't tried it on Ella yet, but I'm thinking C is gonna still need a 4 in the knots.

Off to children's choir - two more weeks...can't wait for it to be over!!

Yeah, I've discovered that knots run small, especially the apron knots. They are just cut smaller. Chances are if it's an apron knot dress or top you need a larger size.

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This seriously. I hate complainging about the typical behaviour of Aidan when you all are having these issues Sad

you are all such great mamas though and I can see how hard you're working with them, they are and will grow up to be great men, I have no doubt. :bighug:

Mel, sorry about your bad mama moment, let me tell you, you've done what every other mama has done at least once before, it still doesn't make you feel any better I'm sure.

Aidan had to be put to bed early, but he just quieted down now LOL, he had a nap and I knew it would take a while, he was singing up until now.

OK William has been in bed for half an hour, I'm not making the same mistake I made last night, Nighty night y'all. I hope I can get on here tomorrow, I have to pack for windsor and it's much easier while Aidan's at daycare, so I'll have to get that done. yeah I talk big, but we'll just see what happens when I have some peace here tomorrow lol

Nope, doesn't make me feel any better. LOL I'd have felt better if I pulled this stunt when he was 8, but at 3 it's like the cardinal sin of motherhood.

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Have a fabulous time Peg. Can't wait for you to get back and hear all about it!!!!!!

I'm waiting up for Jax to go to sleep. :eek: yep, it's 10:37 and he is still tossing and turning. He napped from 1 to 5 today.

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Also, Ruth, do you use Manual mode on your camera? I think you and Jordan have a similar lens (but Nikon v Canon) - maybe you have some pointers! I love looking at pictures from both of yall.

Yep - in fact, our kit lens no longer works correctly on Auto anything, so the only way I can use that lens is manually. I learned a bunch about how to take a good close-up - and I mean REALLY close - last summer when we were selling instruments and stuff. But I'm such a novice at this stuff. I hope this photography class I take will give me some good pointers I can pass along!!

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Julies, wish I knew how to quote from one post and post in another, but I don't.

Yes, that is exactly what we were going through with Jax. It started about 6 months after Abigail was born, when he realized she wasn't going away, at the same time his comprehensive age was at a 3 YO level, yet his expressive was still very very very behind, I think we were still at less than 10 words spoken, mostly sign language and a lot of whining. Then one day a switch was flipped and his tantrums (which were always abnormal) went up about another 7 notches. And it was the same intensity you described. And they DON'T STOP when they start. Yes, to every question you asked of me. YES YES YES.

Jax did not scream like Colby as a baby, he was a pretty happy baby, but all of his needs and communication came in the form of crying. In hindsight, I understand it. Jax didn't babble because he couldn't babble, he WANTED to babble and his little brain tried to babble, so he cried, whimpered, grunted instead. BUT he was happy. Very difficult concept to describe, but if you spent anytime with him you would totally get what I mean. This was another 'thing' that didn't line up with a simple speech delay. A baby with a delay isn't unhapppy that they aren't babbling because they have no clue that they should/want to babble. So, there is no frustration, Make sense? Sorry, got off track there.

Julie, I'm totally coming from what I've experienced, not in any way am I trying to put your experiences in our box. KWIM? I've thought a million and one times that something is not quite right with Jax and I've talked to his pedi about it. I feared for so long that he was autistic, (and then I met a boy with autism and that fear disappeared). Before I saw with my own eyes what autism was, I had asked his Dr several times about autism and she just kept saying NO WAY (remember she has a child with a specific speech disorder, not a speech delay). She's reassured me several times that autism spectrum disorders are not even a possibility with Jax. I've asked about an eval with a devolpemental pedi, she reassures me that it isn't necessary and if she had even the slightest hint that one would be, she would say so, but just keeps telling me it would be a waste of our money. All of the things that send up red flags about his behaviour, she assures me is part of the apraxia. You can't have a child whose comprehensive age is around 4 and whose verbal age is around 20 months and NOT have behavior issues, the brain is working at polar opposites of each other. Now, like I said, this may or may not apply to you as well, I don't remember what Colby's last evals were, but even children who have a year difference in receptive and expressive can experience a lot of frustration to the point of a meltdown, add to that a demanding personality over a passive one and you have a recipe for off the chart tantrums. KWIM?

You know, I started this big long run off at the mouth explanation because I wanted to comment about what you said regarding being scared of having a child with life long anger/behavior problems. Don't go borrowing trouble from the future. Just don't even think that far ahead. Jax's behavior got increasingly worse before it got better. I've noticed in the last 2 months how much he has 'grown up' and matured. He is quickly reaching that age of reason that most kids hit when they are 4 and I've seen vast improvements in him. He is now able to check himself, by that I mean, I can see the look in his eye that he is going to go postal, and now he opens his mouth, clenches his fist, the veins in his neck pop out, he tenses his whole body and he gives one 3 second long scream, takes a big breath and relaxes, then his wits come back to him and he says 'sowwy momma'. Colby will get there too. I promise. I felt the exact same way that you did, that I was going to have a child that never learned to NOT go ballistic, because his behavior was getting worse instead of better.

I honestly have 7 million other things to say regarding this. But I'm aweful at typing out my thoughts in a clear concise manner. Man I wish we could just sit down together and have about 7 cups of coffee and a few hours and chat this over.

That sounds heavenly. Smile I'm just so sorry for you guys - Julie, Kat, Mel... I agree with Allie, these boys are going to grow up to be awesome men!

Julie, ITA with Mel about waiting on long-term prognosis. There was a boy in 1st grade when I was teaching in the city schools and he was such a nightmare. Major anger/attitude/behavior problems. I was so thankful I only had to see him twice a week! But his main teacher was one of the best I've ever seen (I totally forced her to be my mentor LOL) and she turned that kid around. I was absolutely amazed. He went from being one of the worst behaved, angriest, most sour little kids into one of my best students. In these early years when their personalities are developing, things can change fairly often and I hope Colby changes soon... :bigarmhug:

My DH is absolutely determined that I'm going to sleep 6 hours for the first time since the twins were born. So we'll see. I'm all for it, but he's such a deep sleeper that by the time I hear someone crying and get DH to get up, I'm so awake I might as well just deal with it myself. But 6 hours of sleep just sounds amazing right now. I hope it happens!! Off to bed now....

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Ruth, it's your birthday! Hope you got a GREAT present, and it was SLEEP! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

Peg have FUN girl! We shall see you soon, miss you while you are gone, hope you can check in!!

Kristi, uh oh on the eyebrows! BTDT!!!! I know they say they never grow back, but mine always do...and that's half the problem, lol!

Allie, I hope you get to pack for your trip AND relax! And that the young lad slept great for you last nite!

Candace hope choir went good!

Colleen how's Jack been sleeping, is he still doing good?

Mel, thanks for the words of wisdom. Really. And Ruth your story of that angry kid was really helpful too. Most days are just fine, stressful but fine. It's just every so often yesterday pops up, and Colby going ape $hit over dripping some milk on the table just sends me over the edge and I feel like I'm gonna lose it. But ultimately, thank you Jordan, you are right....Colby, Jax and Josh are wonderful boys. I love my son to the moon and back, to the end of the universe and back, to the end of time and back....Mel it sounds like Jax is just as empathetic, tender and sweet as Colby, and sometimes I think that's it....being so sensitive to pretty much everything, good, bad or indifferent. What a sweetheart for him to go out of his way to make sure that little girl is okay, if she wants to play, etc. I hear that Colby goes out of his way to hug a child that's crying at school, pat them on the back, say it's okay. And I know Jax is just as sensitive to your moods as Colby is to mine. I think they are very intelligent boys, and my hope is that Colby's intelligence will help him cope and understand that dripping milk on the table isn't the end of the world, a shoe coming off of a foot isn't cause for a meltdown, etc. It sounds like Jax turned that corner, so let's just get Colby and Josh down that same path!

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About those lurkers you speak of Wink ... lol.. I just love your ladies conversations! You are real and honest about what happens with your kids and it is fabulously (is that a word?) refreshing!

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Oh to me, a lurker is someone who has never posted in April, would never post in April, and just reads. You know we always love people to chime in, we are a chatty bunch with lots of "regulars", but are always welcoming when someone pops in, however much they feel like doing!

Daphne is in that phase of constantly trying to eat my face. It's sad that I never wrote down when Colby did that, but I don't think he did it this early. I just love it, it's so funny, big open mouth honing in on my face, even better when she puts her hands on my cheeks and comes in for the open mouthed smooch, lol!

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have a great trip peg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we'll be anxiously awaiting any check in's!!!!!!!!!!

julie.......jack is on his own at night.....he is doing the 11-12hr stretch!! it's been almost 2 week..

yesterday at the movies was great.......the movie was just cute....not great!!!!! and i had never heard of it either, but i had 2 tickets from living social so i watched the trailer on the theater website Wink the girls loved it and jack slept through just about the whole movie!!!

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Yep Julie, I remember days like that. And for us, being sick, over tired, hungry, over excited, or over stimulated would set him off in the blink of an eye. I once told DH that I felt as if my parenting was being directed by a little terrorist. It got to the point that I would wonder what to offer him for lunch, I waited for 'perfect' opportunities to change activities, I gave him a verbal itinerary of all that was planned each day and I repeated it to the air and abigail and myself several times throughout the day just so there would be no surpises. I literally second guessed every move and wondered if/how something would set him off. It wasw quite ridiculous.

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Happy birthday Ruth!!! Hope you got your 6 hours.

Colleen, glad the girls enjoyed the movie. Curious, did you have to pay for Jack?

I need to go wake my babies up. Jax didn't fall asleep until after 11 last night. :eek:
Abigail slept all night for the first time since Sunday.

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Colleen, the pic of the clothes you posted yesterday, was that of the new summer line that MJC launched?

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morning blabberers lol

not a bad night, he slept until 3am but nursed the rest of the night, I've just been bringing him in bed when he wakes up so I can get some sleep, no biggie, better than it used to be.

Ruth, I hope you got your 6 hours for your birthday mama

Peg- have a fantabulous trip

William was happily watching Micky Mouse but now he's done, gotta go and get this house cleaned (never freaking ending) and get packed up for windsor. I hope to beback to play soon

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mel, i'm glad abs slept all night for you!!!!! and holy late night jax!!!!! yes that outfit is in the slideshow on the actual mj website........i showed danny and he loved it,too!!!!!! but i didn't even look to see how much it cost.....i'm positive it would be outragous, just because it is so outragously cute!!!!!!!!! and no , i didn't have to pay for jack.....i called.LOL!!!! abby did awesome!!!!!!!she had no clue what the movie was about, but she sat through it.....there was about 20 minutes left and she got antsy, and wanted to go to the bathroom....but i told her if we left we weren't coming back......and then she bonked jack on the head and woke him up.........but they did remarkably well.........we got lots of compliments when we left........it was weird.......so many older people in the theater at 1pm with no kids :/ i thought that was odd............but i don't get out much.......so maybe it's the in thing and i just have no clue!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!

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Yep Julie, I remember days like that. And for us, being sick, over tired, hungry, over excited, or over stimulated would set him off in the blink of an eye. I once told DH that I felt as if my parenting was being directed by a little terrorist. It got to the point that I would wonder what to offer him for lunch, I waited for 'perfect' opportunities to change activities, I gave him a verbal itinerary of all that was planned each day and I repeated it to the air and abigail and myself several times throughout the day just so there would be no surpises. I literally second guessed every move and wondered if/how something would set him off. It wasw quite ridiculous.

Yep, this is smack dab where we've been for awhile. There are fabulously great moments, but they are tempered by me thinking, okay when is this going to end, when is the next big snap coming? And WHOHOOOOO for an all nite sleep!

Colleen that's GREAT Jack has been doing the long stretch for so long! I'm so impressed by the movies, I still would not take Colby, lol. LOL at what goes on in the world, not getting out much! ROFL I hear ya, lol!

Allie good luck getting stuff cleaned up and packing!

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Julie and Kat - I'm sorry, I'm a dunce and don't remember. Do either of the boys have an official diagnosis? Or is it just general "speech delay?"

Having met Colby (Miles STILL talks about his friend that he saw airplanes with) I can say that he's a total sweetheart!!!

And I don't want to sound like I'm belittling your issues or anything, but we ALL have days that we just want to pack them up and send them off. So never EVER feel bad about that.

Glad the movies went well, Colleen!

Have fun packing Allie!

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Mel- yea for Abs sleeping all night. Thanks for the words of wisdom. I helps me to know what someone else has gone through and that it gets better.

Colleen- sounds like they did really well. I want to take the kids when Cars 2 comes out. Nice to know it isnt all families at the noon shows. Weird.

Allie- thats great you got some sleep. Hope yoi dont have too much to pack and clean.

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Julie and Kat - I'm sorry, I'm a dunce and don't remember. Do either of the boys have an official diagnosis? Or is it just general "speech delay?"

Having met Colby (Miles STILL talks about his friend that he saw airplanes with) I can say that he's a total sweetheart!!!

And I don't want to sound like I'm belittling your issues or anything, but we ALL have days that we just want to pack them up and send them off. So never EVER feel bad about that.

Glad the movies went well, Colleen!

Have fun packing Allie!

His doctor doesnt seem big on getting him a diagnosis. She is treating him for astma but doesnt want to run test just see how it goes. She doesnt even refer to him as speech delayed or having a speech disorder. Not sure how I feel about all that but I love her as his pedi.

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Here's hoping today is a good day for your little guys!

I put a pair of jeans on Ella this morning and I think she is outgrowing them...first time in 6 mths! Yahoo

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Josh didnt want to go to school today. He looked like he was going to cry. He likes it though. Still working no n the foos thing. So far he has eaten the food there three times.

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Yea Ella. You grow girl.

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Kat, did you also have a problem with Joshua eating at home and you hoped it would get better at school? How does he eat at home in the evenings?

I'm about to go crazy with Ella. She spits EVERYTHING out of her mouth/throws it on the floor - but not in a defiant way...sometimes she just starts gagging.

Ruth, how long did Ruth of food aversions? Oh, and I meant to ask - I know you said she didn't eat a whole lot (quantity) of your Fresh 20 meals, but does she eat a little bit...open to trying new things?

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Since I really respect you girls, I was wondering what you would do if you were in my position....

I go back to my OBGYN tomorrow as a followup to the $hit birth control pills (seasonique) that she had me try for three months to control my increasing ovulation/period pain.

Those pills suck! I spent the entire second pack bleeding everyday like a real period.. yuk! I gained 10lbs in two months!! I am just now starting to shed some of it, but omgoodness... She mentioned to me that the next step (she suspects I have endo) is to do an exploratory lap. I am scared what they might find (ovarian cancer). I have about one week out of each month that I am not in pain. Some days it is tolerable, some days I need lots of motrin. I have also been having digestive trouble lately (which I have NEVER had in my entire life). I feel like my body is falling apart, and I am only 34 Sad It is so depressing to know that there is so many things popping up all of a sudden. My undiagnosed tail bone pain, my horrible high cholesterol, I am covered in lumps/bumps under my skin (dr. thinks they are harmless fatty tumors), my female problems.

Add to all this, I get SEVERELY depressed the week starting with ovulation. One day about three/four days before my period I was driving home and had the scary thought that life would be so much easier if I just wasn't here anymore Sad I envisioned driving off the road and crashing. I scared the CRAP out of my self. This is has been going on since Allie was about two and my OBGYN knows about it. She has been trying to get me on BC pills because of this since then and I refused.

Also, my left breast is freaking me out, it hurts most of the time, sort of an achy feeling that won't go away. My dad was adopted and never knew his real parents. I was talking to my adopted granddad the other day and asked him if he ever knew his adopted mom/dad. He said he knew of her in the area and that she went to the same social functions that he did for years (VFW, American Legion, etc.). I asked if she was still living and he said no, she passed away a very long time ago. Of what I asked? Breast Cancer he said. OMG.. Knowing that, would you ask for genetic testing for the BC genes? I know that they can be passed on from your fathers side.

Sorry for the rant.. having a bad day Sad

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Hey Candace, maybe it's a texture thing? I had to purée Colby's food til close to 1.5 years. He either spit it our or puked from gagging. Even then I had to super mash stuff up.

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I read the last posts from bbb 30 adn wanted to comment about the behavior stuff before I forget everything I want to say. so I'll read all the bbb 31 later.

So Joey...he was an angel of a baby. I couldn't believe my luck, Logan was so easy and Joey was even easier...until he turned 1. I now believe he has some issues with milk and that was what started some of this, along with the speech delay. The first time we tried introing milk he projectile vomitted everywhere so we layed off for a month and then he was fine when we tried it again. But, it was once he started having milk regularly that he started having the behavior problems. And it was exactly like you described with the fan Julie. Small things that would just set him off and it would end up being HOURS of screaming, hitting, throwing himself around tantrums. The biggest one that happened almost every day was opening the door. Anytime the door opened, he HAD to do it. If he didn't then it would be minimum of 1 hour of screaming melt down. Most days were just miserable, I couldn't imagine going through another day of it. When we got him in speech therapy (when he turned 3) it did seem to help some with his frustration but he still had all the rediculous tantrums. It was around 4.5 years old that I started noticing him getting better. It was like you could see that he could think about it and stop himself if he wanted...but a lot of times he still "decided" to have the tantrum. Then when he turned 5 (and he actually told us this) he decided that he was a big boy and wanted to act like one. He'd still start with a tantrum but it only took once (or sometimes twice) of us reminding him not to do it and then he could get himself under control. In the 4 months since he turned 5 I think he's only had 1 or 2 bad ones, which is HUGE!

With the milk, I tried doing an elimination once and it didn't seem to make any difference. But I'm back to thinking that was it all along. Now that he can keep himself under control and communicate better he has told me almost every day after breakfast (he always has cereal with milk) and after dinner when he has a cup of milk with it that his belly hurts. So I think I'm going to talk to his pedi about it and see if we can do some testing.

And how we dealt with the tantrums...we'd ignore it, even when he was laying in the middle of the kitchen screaming until he was hoarse, unless he was going to hurt himself. Then we'd move him to a chair or his bed. When he stopped screaming then I'd attempt to talk to him about it...why he did it (he always said because he was mad) and better ways to handle the situation.

Oh, and sleep makes a huge difference with him.

Ok, hopefully all that makes sense and isn't too all over the place.

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Kat, did you also have a problem with Joshua eating at home and you hoped it would get better at school? How does he eat at home in the evenings?

I'm about to go crazy with Ella. She spits EVERYTHING out of her mouth/throws it on the floor - but not in a defiant way...sometimes she just starts gagging.

Ruth, how long did Ruth of food aversions? Oh, and I meant to ask - I know you said she didn't eat a whole lot (quantity) of your Fresh 20 meals, but does she eat a little bit...open to trying new things?

Do you think it's because she's afraid of food? Like she relates it to being sick? I think that'd be completely understandable if that's why she was doing it.

I think I remember that most kids outgrow FPIES, right? By what age? Do the kids frequently have problems afterwords or they're perfectly "normal?"

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Shannon :bighug: - bbl to comment more, but I know the BC I was on made me VERY depressed. Also there is gene testing for the BRCA1/2 genes that are known links to breast cancer, and possibly other genes as well. Are you near Johns HOpkins? I would think they would be up to date on all of that. I know Duke is constantly sending my mom info re: gene studies. Be back to comment more, but just wanted to say feel free to pop in here more often and vent...it helps me make it through the day sometimes for sure!

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