Rear facing til 2.... (pics included.)

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mist1006's picture
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Rear facing til 2.... (pics included.)

So I got tired of my coworkers saying you could never get a 2 year old to rear face and have them fit.. So I took Belle out to my van and put her in Ben's seat. She LOVED it. Here are some pics... If you encounter ppl that say that it won't work you're welcome to show them these.. She said it was fun...







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I think to each their own, but it bothered me when people would look at me like I had 2 heads when I told them Aidan was still RF at almost 2 (our weight limit doesn't go as high on our Carseat unfortunately) they'd ask me if Aidan's legs got cramped. He never complained, and frankly, I'd rather have a baby with a leg cramp than a broken neck.

Great pics

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awesome!!!!!!!!!

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Allie, I agree.. Its everyone's own decision. But I don't like the "they won't fit" excuse..

I'm waiting to see how this goes over on the may 10 board. I'm not trying to be snotty or whatever.. I just wanted to show it can be done..

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Fabulous! Colby never cared one bit, but to each his own choice. I had to turn him sooner rather than later, he grew too tall for the RF'ing limit, but he was just fine! He contorted himself WAY worse OUT of the RFing carseat, lol!

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Well, I think it will only be a 'to each his own' thing for a little while. Our laws tend to change and now that the AAP has actually come out with an official statement of rear-facing until 2 or the limit of your seat, I really hope our laws will get updated.
Of course this is coming from someone who's child didn't get turned around until he was 2 years and 8 months old.

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It'll definitely get turned into a law, the recommendations come out and it's usually 2-3 years before it's passed into law. I know once it is a law, though, it will piss a lot of people off! Like here in VA (and I think most other states) it's law that until a child's 8th birthday, they must be in some sort of child safety seat. That pisses enough people off; the new recommendation is until age 12, and when THAT goes into law, all hell gonna break loose!

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"Jumarse" wrote:

It'll definitely get turned into a law, the recommendations come out and it's usually 2-3 years before it's passed into law. I know once it is a law, though, it will piss a lot of people off! Like here in VA (and I think most other states) it's law that until a child's 8th birthday, they must be in some sort of child safety seat. That pisses enough people off; the new recommendation is until age 12, and when THAT goes into law, all hell gonna break loose!

I dont want to start a debate here, but as a parent of a 13 yr old since February, this is only my opinion and experience. ...........

What gets me is zack just turned 13 in February and he is taller than many many MANY adults in our life, so how do they propose making seats big enough for 12 yr olds that are taller than adults? those booster seats for kids up to 100 lbs are WAY too small for kids as big as Zack, even when he was 4'9" and 99lbs..... Now I can see some of his class mates (who, Wyatt, is taller than one and almost as tall as 2 or 3 more) still needing a seat even after they are past 12 yrs old....They are tiny kids. But zacks a$$ hangs off the side of those seats for kids up to 100 lbs. when he scoots over Wyatt's seat he looks like a giant in that seat. It would offer him no additional support. His shoulders are way past the headreast of the seat and the seat back, his head touches the ceiling of the truck, and the armrests dig into his hips......he litterally is hunched over and the seat belt wouldnt go over his shoulers, but under his arm.

Now I want to know how that is safer, when they are unstable on a booster seat, but would be flat buckled up in the regular seat?

If they seriously consider making it law for 12 yr olds to be in a booster seat, they seriously need to make bigger wider seats. Because there are some big 12 yr olds out there....one girl in zacks class is still 12 and she TOWERS over my 5'6" body.

Wyatt is 5 yrs old and already 4 foot tall. He is just 50lbs, but he is going to outgrow the seat height limits before the weight.

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Kristi, the usually give an age limit and a weight/height limit, like 8 YO or when the can safely wear a lap/shoulder belt where it sits at the right spot on their shoulder

yhis is taken from our government website http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/carseat/choose.shtml

Pre-school to 8 years old

The law requires booster seats for children who have outgrown a child car seat but are too small for a regular seat belt.
Booster seats are required for children under the age of eight, weighing 18 kg or more but less than 36 kg (40-80 lb.) and who stand less than 145 cm (4 feet-9 inches) tall.
A child can start using a seatbelt alone once any one of the following criteria is met:

  • child turns eight years old
  • child weighs 36 kg (80 lb.)
  • child is 145 cm (4 feet-9 inches) tall.

Seatbelts are designed to protect adults. Booster seats raise the child up so that the adult seatbelt works more effectively. Booster seats protect against serious injury 3 ½ times better than seatbelts alone.
A lap and shoulder combination belt must be used with all booster seats. Your child's head must be supported by the top of the booster, vehicle seat or headrest. The shoulder strap must lie across the child's shoulder (not the neck or face) and middle of the chest, and the lap belt must cross low over the hips (not the stomach/abdomen). Never use seatbelt adjusters.

  • Between 18 and 36 kg (40—80 lb.)
  • Booster seat
  • Use with lap and shoulder belt
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I have not seen anything about til 12. I have seen a weight/height guideline.

I think if the gov't plans to go to a required rear facing til 2 that many carseat companies are also going to have to redo their carseat designs. I know several of the convertible seats just plain aren't big enough for it. I think if they change the mandate, they will have to change the seats.

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They'd just have to have parameters like they do now....so rf'ing to the seats limit or til age 2. Not debating, just it wouldn't be hard to change....enforcing would be a whole other thing!

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yea, but why dont they go just by height and weight then instead of age. That throws you off.......Wyatt will probalby hit 4'9" before he hits 8 for sure......

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"kristimcw" wrote:

yea, but why dont they go just by height and weight then instead of age. That throws you off.......Wyatt will probalby hit 4'9" before he hits 8 for sure......

I agree, the age thing is pointless, if they're 10 and don't meet the minimum than it's unsafe as well right?

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Great pics! A few months ago, totally sleep deprived, I was taking Nicholas with me grocery shopping and DH was staying home with William. Without even thinking about it I picked Nicholas up and buckled him into William's rearfacing seat (I guess since I am used to buckling William first and then going to Nicholas second my mind was just on cruise control). I didn't realize it until we got to Publix and I went to unbuckle him. I asked him why he didn't say something and he told me it was because he thought I was being funny. I asked him if he was squished and he said nope. So it really isn't a big deal to lots of kids I don't think.

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"kristimcw" wrote:

yea, but why dont they go just by height and weight then instead of age. That throws you off.......Wyatt will probalby hit 4'9" before he hits 8 for sure......

I think this is mostly for the age 2 limit when it's not really about height or weight, but spinal fusion (though I wish this would get talked about more by carseat companies). Hence the rear-facing. They're at greater risk for internal decapitation. Once old enough for forward facing, I'm not sure why they'd bother with an age limit. :confused:

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"brandifawn" wrote:

Great pics! A few months ago, totally sleep deprived, I was taking Nicholas with me grocery shopping and DH was staying home with William. Without even thinking about it I picked Nicholas up and buckled him into William's rearfacing seat (I guess since I am used to buckling William first and then going to Nicholas second my mind was just on cruise control). I didn't realize it until we got to Publix and I went to unbuckle him. I asked him why he didn't say something and he told me it was because he thought I was being funny. I asked him if he was squished and he said nope. So it really isn't a big deal to lots of kids I don't think.

hehehe...

It's funny - i never once got a funny/weird glance from anyone for keeping Tyler RF'ing til he was 2. No one ever said a word against it. Not that it would have mattered to me anyway. :rolleyes: I just wonder if it's becoming more the norm or if it just felt that way to me b/c so many of you did it too. My sister did the same, so it just felt like everyone "around" me shared that mentality.

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We JUST turned Nadia around 2 days ago... so rear facing until 3! Sophie was also rear facing until about 30 months old (so 2.5). Neither of them ever complained one bit!

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Oh, as far as age instead of height and weight... this is my "educated guess." Wink It might have to do with things like bone ossification. The younger the child, the weaker the bones and the more likely they are to separate in a crash. The bones are significantly harder when a child 2 than in a child who has just turned one.