eating and sleeping habits

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crazy j's picture
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eating and sleeping habits

Just wondering what some of the older babies are doing, espeically the breastfed ones.

On the eating front - Emma still eats every 2 hours during the day with the occasional push to 2.5 hrs. At night, I will sometimes get a 3 hour stretch, but after that, it's every two, sometimes every hour then after 3 or 4 am she's up constantly fidgeting or grunting or whatever. I'm functioning ok and can deal, but I guess I'd like to know if this is normal for this age and I just need to be patient and let her grow a bit more or if there's a fixable issue here.

As for sleeping - I've seen a few mention that they've been putting their babies down awake and getting them to fall asleep on their own. Is this normal for this age? Both of my kids have been tough to get to sleep. I get the "signs of sleepy" stuff and she does start yawning, but it's a bit of work to get her to go to sleep. I honestly, can not imagine any universe where she'd fall asleep on her own if I just laid her down. Is this a learned skill or are some babies just better sleepers than others?

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Judah eats every 2-3 hours during the day and does more like one 7-8 hour and one 4 hour stretch at night. I'm pretty sure he eats a lot at once because if I feed him a bottle he will take 4-6 oz. It could be that her stomach is still small and she can't eat as much at once yet.
You can try to let her go longer at night by just rocking her, giving her a binky, letting her sleep on you/with you or something like that.

Judah has actually gone to sleep by himself some. I think it has to do with age and temperament. I think it's something that you CAN train them to do, but that's more of a personal decision how to do it. Have you read any books? I recommend The Happiest Baby on the Block and Secrets of a Baby Whisperer. They talk about how babies think and what kind of baby you have and how to deal with your "type" of baby.

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Haha Joan, when I read "drowsy but awake" I have to snort a little. I somehow managed to do that with T without even trying (I think maybe I was just too dumb to realize that most babies need help going to sleep so I always put him down awake from the jump. I never knew that "drowsy but awake" was such a huge thing until this baby. Who is, like yours, not a great sleeper. I'm trying to teach him the whole drowsy but awake thing (as a matter of fact, I just now left him in his sleeper with his eyes open...we'll see how long that lasts....) but its not going well. whenever I leave him in tgere awake, he starts crying. The bottom line is that I don't know how you get a baby to do that unless they have the temperament to do it on their own (as T did) or without letting them CIO which I'm not comfortable with at this age. Everyone keeps telling me that it's okay to let them "fuss a little" to get to sleep at this age, but Reid didnt come with a "fuss a little" option. His fuss quickly escalates to full blown red faced crying. So until I feel comfortable doing some sort of CIO thing (not until he's much older) I'm thinking that drowsy but awake is not a thing that is happening in our house.

Anyway our schedule is that he eats every 2-3 hours in the day

Oh, there goes the screaming....will finish this later.

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No comment on the eating because we are formula...

Sleeping I am not sure if it is a kid by kid thing but neither of mine have been held for going to sleep. I just never got into the habit and they have been great about it. I also am not a baby wearer around the house and stuff so I am not sure if any of that makes a difference. I hate hate hearing a crying baby and luckily she rarely does but if I am usi g the bathroom and she fusses a bit I let her. There are times she will fall asleep on me or something but typically I lay her down and she ends up asleep. The biggest issue she has is if she has the pacifier and this happens and she loses it she startles and I go and give the bink back but only sometimes does this happen.

I clearly am no expert but I think there has to be some reason so many people have issues with babies needing to be held etc. compared to when our parents were raising us. I dont have any clue what that would be but I just find it strange that this is so common now and was not in the past.

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I don't know Aimee, I think our parents had issues too, they just forget or act like they didn't. I know my mom tells me how my brother would only sleep in the swing and she kept having to wake up to crank it (this was 35 years ago). Both of my kids were bad sleepers. DS was easy to lay down at first, but it took CIO to get him to fall asleep on his own. It was awful and I'm hoping to not have to do that again. I tried everything else with him though and nothing worked.

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"AimeeS1911" wrote:

No comment on the eating because we are formula...

Sleeping I am not sure if it is a kid by kid thing but neither of mine have been held for going to sleep. I just never got into the habit and they have been great about it. I also am not a baby wearer around the house and stuff so I am not sure if any of that makes a difference. I hate hate hearing a crying baby and luckily she rarely does but if I am usi g the bathroom and she fusses a bit I let her. There are times she will fall asleep on me or something but typically I lay her down and she ends up asleep. The biggest issue she has is if she has the pacifier and this happens and she loses it she startles and I go and give the bink back but only sometimes does this happen.

I clearly am no expert but I think there has to be some reason so many people have issues with babies needing to be held etc. compared to when our parents were raising us. I dont have any clue what that would be but I just find it strange that this is so common now and was not in the past.

to the bolded: I think there are way too many devices these days that hold the babies for us. If a baby wants/needs to be held, then modern parents think something is wrong.

Joan, I think baby's personality is a huge part of it. You can gently try to shape behavior, but sometimes baby can't soothe without nursing or rocking. Tim is just starting to be able to self soothe. He is almost 8 weeks old. If my timing is perfect, I can lay him down with droopy eyelids and he will fall asleep looking at the mobile. Emma is still too young, Tim could not do it at 5 weeks.

I do make a point to try not to nurse him to sleep. It does happen at times!

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I think we're just less inclined nowadays to do CIO and I'm not a huge fan of it but I have to say it has worked for us but we usually don't start this early on.
And I do let my babies cry some - like last night, I put Judah down for bed wide awake and eventually he started fussing. After a bit I went in and gave him his binky and rocked him until he was almost asleep but not quite. I had to do this 3-4 times but he did eventually go to sleep.
I think when we immediately go to pick them up right when they start fussing they might get used to it too much. It's really ok to let them fuss some - there is a difference between fussing and crying for *most* babies. Smile

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"tori729" wrote:

I think we're just less inclined nowadays to do CIO

I think this is a huge reason why it's different. My mom told me she pretty much did CIO after the first couple of weeks with both me and my brother. I'm guessing my MIL did too, since she seemed appalled that I was "still doing that" (rocking and nursing Reid to sleep) at 5 weeks. Now we've got people (mostly other moms on the internet) telling us that we're going to give our babies BRAIN DAMAGE if we do that, even though our parents apparently did it to us. LOL I don't really believe the "CIO causes brain damage" stuff (because when the experts are looking at toxic stress, they are looking at like, kids in Romanian orphanages that literally never get held. The only study I've seen that specifically looks at CIO in a normal household said it wasn't shown to be harmful.) But still, it just feels mean to me, so I have a really hard time doing it, particularly before they have some demonstrable self soothing skills. Our parents didnt seem to feel that way. LOL

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Yes I totally agree with what everyone is saying. I just think it is crazy to me how many people (on here and off) wear the baby to do every day things all day. I know it is about the kid etc but let's face it when Rylee goes to daycare in a few weeks there is no way they will wear her all day nor do I expect it. I can't do CIO no matter how hard I tried with DS when she was older because she wanted someone rubbing her back. Even now at night if Rylee starts squirming and making noises around her bottle time I just feed her. I would honestly say in almost 7 weeks she has probably only cried 10 times for her bottle.. Partly because I want to schedule her but I don't know why I don't let her get to the point of hungry really...

It just all baffles me and I know all kids are different and so are parents

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I tried to let Julie CIO twice. Once I let her cry for like 20 minutes ...then I grabbed her and she fell asleep..lol. It was like she just wanted to be held. The other time I broke down after about 5 minutes. Thankfully, she's gotten better...and she'll cry when she wakes up, but not so much when she gets put down.

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I'm not a fan of CIO at this age, but I do let him cry for 3 minutes before I pick him up...sometimes longer if I'm pooping or showering.

I do think CIO is fine for older babies, maybe around 6 months or so. Ask me then...haha.

As for wearing the baby, while I know its not done in daycares, its a practice thats done worldwide, Africa, asia, south america. 3rd world countries have to keep working when they have babies and they have to "wear" them. So to me, it seems like a natural thing to do and I don't think I'm spoiling him. I will ball my eyes out when he goes to daycare and will not be worn. Our country is all about independence and less about family and nuturing and I think thats kind of backwards.