***Kelly's (kellyr2) Birth Lodge***

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***Kelly's (kellyr2) Birth Lodge***

Welcome to your lodge! I noticed you needed one. Can't wait to hear about your homebirth. Smile

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Welcome to you lodge!!! Yahoo

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Yay a Homebirth Mama! Cant wait to follow your story. Congrats on making it this far!

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Yay, thanks so much!

Okay, I know I haven't been around a ton, so especially the newer members don't know a lot about me. I used to practically live online, and a good bit of that time on this board!
I'll try to keep this semi-brief - I can be awfully wordy!
I'm obviously Kelly. Dh is Michael and we've been married for 9.5 years. I'm 28, he's 31. (Ooh, but I have a birthday coming up in a week!) Five months after we got married, I got pregnant with Aaric.

With Aaric's birth, I was aiming for a natural birth, at first mostly to avoid needles. As I read, though, I agreed that it was also the safest route. However, I lived in an area with not a lot of resources, and the books I was reading were What to Expect and a couple others of about that quality. The childbirth class I attended was the one done at the hospital, and there was little quality information about how to achieve a natural birth. Just stuff like breathing, and focusing on a point on the wall, etc.

My water broke sometime between 4-4:30 am, on my EDD, and we immediately got ready and left for the hospital. When we arrived, it was determined that his head was not yet engaged, and so I'd have to stay in bed to reduce risk of cord prolapse. I started out assertive, letting them know that one of the doctors in the practice had already approved of me going IV-free as long as possible. I was still barely contracting at 8, when the shift change happened. This meant that the doctor who I liked least - the one who always had one hand on the doorknob as he asked if I had any questions before he left - was now on call. He ordered pitocin. That pretty much just ruined it all for me. I said that if I was getting needles anyway, and was getting pitocin which I knew would make things harder, then I may as well get some IV pain meds, too. I'd pretty much just given up on natural birth once I found out who I was dealing with, and that he was saying to give me pit. Stadol actually did little or nothing for the pain. I was in bed on my back or on my left side for the entire day. When I needed to pee, they wouldn't unhook me to let me go to the bathroom - I had my mom and MIL supporting me on each side as I squatted over a bedpan in bed. Which didn't work, I couldn't get anything out like that - who could!? At some point, maybe around 7 cm, one of the few times that the doctor stopped by to check on me, he said that he didn't think I could do it. My mom followed him out of the room for specifics - was he saying I was too small, or that the baby was big, or both? He said that the baby was pretty big and he was pretty sure I'd have to have a c-section, but he'd let me wait it out a little longer and see. Our nurse knew that c-section wasn't a line we'd so easily cross like we did with the pitocin. I was then planning on having around 6 kids, and did not want to start out with a c-section! So, she advocated for us, and at 8 cm, while he was still not engaged in my pelvis at all (so no risk of injuring the cervix) I started pushing. The only way to get out of the c-section, was to physically push him down into my pelvis myself. To get him over my tailbone, she called in another nurse who pushed down on his butt while I was pushing. It took a few tries, but he finally went over it and stayed over it. After 2.5 hours, it was finally time. They called in the doctor. After a few pushes, he asked if I wanted help. I asked what kind of help - was he talking episiotomy? He actually *laughed* and said I wasn't getting out of one of those. So, I asked what then, vacuum or forceps? He said forceps. Feeling totally frustrated with him, I said yes. So, I had a whopper of an episiotomy (don't know for sure how big) and forceps. Finally, at, um, either 7:28 or 7:08 PM (should check those baby books. One is A and one is M), he was finally born. That was July 27, 2000. He was 9 lbs 2.2 oz, 21.25 inches long, and had a 15 inch head. Which explains the lack of descent, but had I been upright at all, he would have moved down more easily. But of course, the risk of cord prolapse was there.

See, told ya I'm wordy!

Okay, so after I had time to reflect, I knew I wanted to do it different the next time. I wanted a CNM, and a NCB-friendly hospital. With Aaric, we were in college, but afterwards, we moved back to our hometown and had our choice of the Atlanta area hospitals. I got pregnant soon after Aaric's first birthday, and found a suitable midwife/ob practice to use. Around that time, I'd gotten more and more active on the BabyCenter NCB debate board, and had learned a ton about the various interventions and risks. I'd come to the point where I thought homebirth sounded cool, but certainly not for me. I drove past the road my hospital was on every day on my commute to work, and as time went by, I felt less and less positive about having to go there while in labor. It was a 30-45 min drive depending on traffic. As I'd crossed off interventions that I wasn't okay with unless absolutely medically necessary, I'd decided that I'd be staying home as long as possible. And who wants to be in the car for 30-45 minutes during transition?? So, finally, one day, I decided I wanted to look at the option of homebirth. DH was not interested. I asked him to please just research it. What exactly was he afraid of? Size? - better positioning would mean easier birthing. We went through his list of concerns like that, researching how midwives handle various things. I started calling around to the local midwives, and was discouraged because so many were just way out of my price range. An online friend who lived nearby was doing the same, and one mw that she called recommended who I now refer to online as "Lulu." Lulu lived in the same city as me - actually, just 5 minutes from me! She was not yet finished with her certification, but had been doing births for 10 years, and her rates were much more reasonable - especially if you were hiring her late in the pregnancy. We met her, and dh felt instantly at ease with her, so Lulu and homebirth it was. I officially stopped going to the CNM practice around 30 weeks, when she didn't press the issue but was very clearly displeased that I'd declined the glucose test. Because of Aaric's size, ACOG standards say that I'm at risk for gest. diabetes. Genetics apparently don't matter - carrying one large baby means that you're at risk for blood sugar issues later. Right, that's logical... So, that meant I'd already had one GTT at 16 weeks anyway, and Lulu and I both felt safe skipping it a second time.

Between 4 and 4:30 am on April 22, 2002, 5 days before my EDD I woke up to stronger, different, contractions. I'd been having tons of BHs since around 32 weeks, and because I use NFP while not pregnant and was familiar with my cervix already, I'd been checking it and knew that I'd also started dilating very slowly around 34 weeks. She was also very low. When I woke up that morning, I knew something was different, and I checked my cervix and found it to be 4 cm, 75% effaced, and felt a slightly bulging amniotic sac with a head maybe a centimeter or two behind it. I waited until around 6 to call Lulu, because my contractions were still the same - not very strong or close together.
I stayed that way for 12 hours. She came over to check on me every once in a while, then would go run errands or check on her kids at home. Around 3pm, I was frustrated with the complete lack of progress, and called her to ask what we should do. I was really hoping she'd want to come break my water. No "luck." She told me to nap. I thought she was insane. I'd been walking around a lot to try to get things going - surely if I napped, it would all stop. So I sat up stubbornly in my rocking chair. And started getting tired as I rocked. And relented and went to my bed "just to lie down, NOT to sleep!" and fell asleep. Around 4, I woke up, having noticeably stronger contractions. I wanted to get into the pool (huge kiddie pool that was in the kitchen. I mean, one of those big, rectangular family size blow up pools. It was hilarious), but knew I shouldn't get in too soon or it could slow things down. So we called her back over. I was 5 cm and the contractions were slowing down, so I got in. A couple hours later, she wanted to check me and we decided to go to the bedroom to do it, and then I didn't have the energy to walk back across the house to the pool, so I stayed on the bed. I was around 7 cm then. A little while later, she'd just checked me, and I was lying on my side, with DH sitting right at my butt... when my water broke. All over him. So funny. I tried to warn him, but it happened just as a contraction was hitting it's peak and I couldn't get the words out! So anyway, after a while, she checked and I was fully dilated, and said I could push at any time. About 5 minutes passed and I just kept on laboring as usual. She checked again and said that the head was only 2 knuckles up, and that if I pushed, she should come quickly. So, to appease Lulu, I got up into a semi-reclined squat (sorta squatting, sorta leaning on pillows, it varied) and attempted to push with each contraction. Except I'm just barely push for a couple seconds and then give up. I'm a wimpy pusher. Twenty minutes later, she was out, though. That was at, again, either 7:08 or 7:28 pm. She was 8 lbs 2 oz, 21 inches, 13 inch head.

So that brings us to Xander. At least this time, I didn't have any research to do on childbirth itself, but we'd moved from GA to NC after DH joined the Army, so I needed to find a midwife. That could be a 10 page novel in itself, so I'll just leave it at: none seemed just right to me, and I wanted Lulu, and we went back and forth on maybe just going to GA in late pregnancy and birthing there. Lulu's dh works for Delta, so she suggested, and it was ultimately decided, that she'd fly up to us once labor started, since she flies for free.
So, I woke up at... guess what time? Sometime between 4 and 4:30 am. I'm predictable. I was 4 cm and around 75% effaced. Since she needed to drive to Atlanta to catch a flight, I went ahead and called Lulu. At 8, we took Aaric to school as usual, and went into town to run some errands. We still needed the attachment to hook the water hose to the sink, and we needed a few groceries. So, I wandered Lowe's and Target while in labor. Meanwhile, the first flight of the day into Fayetteville was overbooked, and the second one was cancelled because of mechanical problems, so Lulu was not in the air yet. There were only 2 flights left, so she decided to try for a Raleigh one instead. She got on the next Raleigh flight, but this meant I needed to scramble to find someone to drive up to the airport (about 1.5 hours away!) to get her. Luckily, I had some very understanding, very homebirth-supportive friends who were able to help out. One lives in Chapel Hill, and drove to the airport to get Lulu, then drove halfway down here, and another friend met them and drove her the rest of the way here. She got here around 5:30 pm.
Luckily, I was still in my early, non-progressing stage. Xander had been spinning the whole pregnancy, so it was no big shocker that he started out anterior when she first checked me, but when she waited for the contraction to end and tried again, he'd turned to posterior again. After a while of sitting around, I wasn't progressing at all, so she sent me out to walk. After a couple hours, I was having lots of back pain, and decided I wanted him turned around before he got any lower. At the same time, our childcare had fallen through, and the kids were SO hyper and distracting. We called over some other friends, but when they got there with their boys, it was even worse - we'd hoped to have the option of having our kids there for the birth, but it was just a madhouse in there. Lulu suggested sending them away, so I did. I then got on all fours, resting my head on my birth ball, with headphones playing music. Within about an hour, he'd spun back around and things were picking up. I was getting up to go to the bathroom every few minutes. At one point, I stood up and started toward the bathroom and noticed that my legs were shaky. I recognized that as transition, but thought there was no way I was THAT far along yet - it wasn't intense enough yet! I went to the bathroom, walked out, called for Lulu to come check me, and my water broke. At least DH stayed dry this time!
So, I told him to finish filling up the pool with hot water, because I did not want to deal with labor without the cushioning of the amniotic sac out of the water. I got in, and things kept going. I kept glancing at the clock, and had been jotting some times down when I'd been on all 4s, and realized that my normal labor pattern, even in transition, is to have fairly wide-spread contractions. They'd be every 10, 4, 8, 5, 3, 7... minutes apart. No real pattern. Just getting longer and stronger. Finally, she checked and I was 10 cm. Dh let her know that I realized with Mikayla that I simply don't feel the urge to push, and would rather just hang out for a while. After about 10 minutes though, with me getting increasingly uncomfortable, she pointed out to me that if I pushed, it would all be over sooner. I don't think either of them realized how much that motivated me. Without telling them, with that next contraction, I gathered my strength and pushed. And once I started that push, I couldn't stop, and he was about to come barrelling out. I yelled for them to get to me (dh now swears he was right there all along. I was on all 4s, and I really thought both of them were in front of me, a few feet away.) Lulu got back there and helped support my perineum and his head came out. As he hung out there for a minute, head out, body in, he was so squirmy. His shoulders, you know, were RIGHT THERE, and wiggling! It was not at all pleasant, and I was screaming. She told me quite firmly to BE QUIET and BREATHE! As I found out later, my constant screaming meant little oxygen, and he was getting a little bluish. So, anyway, I pushed him on out with the next contraction, though really, it was just one big, long, push.
Now, in all her excitement packing her bags, she forgot the scale. But, he was born at 1:something Am on Sept 15th, which was 8 days early. But I always say he was 9 days early, because it's only an hour difference! And yeah, I can't remember the time. You know what they say about 3rd kids... I can't remember the time (I've got the birth record somewhere) and we never knew his birth weight. We estimate that he was 7.5-8 lbs. He was, ah, crap... I want to say he was 20.5 inches, but I can't remember now. And 13 inch head. I need to look that stuff up, I'm such a bad mom! LOL

Okay, so, that brings us to this one. We're still in NC, and this time I just called Lulu from the start and asked if she'd be willing to fly up again, and she said yes. This time, my mom is coming up to watch the kids. She was going to fly, too (Dad's a Northwest retiree, and they merged with Delta, so they fly for free, too!) but my aunt lost her job and hasn't found a new one, so she wants to come too. So, mom and my aunt are driving up. Looking back at all but Aaric's birth, I had a VERY strong feeling that they'd be here "soon" in the last day or two of the pregnancy. However, I'm never willing to actually verbalize it. I can't find where I saved Xander's lodge, but I know when I read it I cracked up at how very obvious it was that I totally knew, but wouldn't say it. So, the plan was that whenever I got that feeling, I'd suck it up and verbalize it to my mom, and she'd come on up. And I may. But we also just decided that if they all waited until my labor actually starts, Lulu could just ride with them, and would be guaranteed to get here within 7 hours, instead of risking it taking much much longer while flying standby.

So, it all depends on what time of day I go into labor. If I start at my usual time, there are only 2 flights a day that could possibly get her here earlier, and then it's only by like a half hour. If I start in the evening instead, she'd definitely be better off driving. So Lulu is just going to keep an eye on how full the flights are, and whenever labor starts, she'll make the final decision on how to get up here, then. I worry a little that she won't make it in time. I hope I get the long, non-progressing early labor again. If I don't, my only real concern is that I'll bleed too much. Dh has caught 2 babies for me so far (both times, it was more like he caught and she assisted), and I'm pretty confident that we can do that part on our own. But neither of us have any experience in how to tell how much blood is "too much." So that's my only real worry.

Once they are all here, Mom and my Aunt will take the boys and go do something fun, and get a motel room for them to stay in overnight and have a place to hang out if the weather is bad. Mikayla will stay here, and in fact, today, I'll be working on making a backup plan for her. Ideally, if we need to send her away urgently, we can send her across the street to our good friends. If it wasn't so urgent and she was just getting in the way, we can always just call mom to come back and get her. And just in case, I'm making multiple back up plans for the boys, too.

So, that's all the backstory. I'm 36w3d now, and actually having far less BHs than usual. My BP keeps thinking about going up too high though, so we're trying to keep that under control with lots of protein. My hands are tingly and the bottoms of my feet itch, so Lulu thinks it's a pinched nerve and I'm going to the chiro on Tuesday. I'm exhausted, and my pelvic joints and tendons and muscles are all stiff, and I feel so, so very done. Especially because of my BP, we're really hoping I don't go much past 37 weeks. I just don't know how long I can keep it in check. I'd rather use natural induction methods than risk out and have to go to the hospital. The birth kit though... well, I procrastinated. It'll be here Tuesday, the day before I hit 37 weeks. So, we pray I hold out until then, or we may be short a few supplies!

So, that's where we're at now. Hoping to last until Wednesday, but ready to go any minute after that! Alright, I know it was long, thanks for reading. I told you, I'm wordy. I looked back up to see if I could edit and make it shorter, but couldn't decided what on earth I'd pull back out! Oh, and this is a boy, and no name yet. We're bad with boy names. There is one we're leaning towards, but we're not committed so I don't wanna say!

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wow, that's awesome your mw flies up to you guys. Hope you LO waits until Wed. for you.

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Yay! Welcome to your lodge!!! Awesome introduction. I love reading your stories.

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Yep, we're very blessed to have our midwife. And she doesn't travel for just anyone, just her extra-special clients! Biggrin It would be especially nice if I had the baby sometime late this week. She's in nursing school, and I think classes start back up next week. We already know her schedule, and it's not too bad - just a class on Tues and labs on Weds. She's just got this one last class to finish up. So, we're hoping to not mess with her school schedule, and having the baby before she starts would be helpful! It'll work out, even if she has to miss a day of class, that's just not the ideal, of course. I'd like for my body to cooperate with her schedule, though, knowing how much she does for us!

Well, I got my big, huge, grocery shopping trip out of the way. I planned and bought for more days than usual, hoping that I won't have to return again. If the stuff i got lasts 3 weeks, like it very easily could, then I'm quite certain I'll have the baby by then. And then I'll be very very postpartum, and will just send Dh out. If for some reason I'm still pregnant, I'd either send DH out anyway, or go alone and hope all the effort of grocery shopping sent me into labor! I certainly have no expectation of going past 39 weeks, though. I keep hearing mean people say that their 4th was their latest one, and keep telling them to lie to me. So far, in this order, I've given birth ON the EDD, 5 days early, and 8.5 days early. I mean, that looks like a trend, right? Let's keep it up.

I'm actually feeling alright. I whine and complain a lot, but I have nothing beyond the typical late pregnancy complaints. Or, little. I need to call the chiro, I was just thinking my appointment was today, but I see that I posted earlier that it's tomorrow. Hmm.
I'm working on eating a ton of protein to keep my bp and swelling in check. It had gotten a bit higher on Friday, so starting on Saturday I was focusing on the right foods again. It got high on Saturday too, but it can take a few days for protein to help, so I didn't worry. I've now gone 3 days of hitting in my target of 80-100g/day. I'll get dh to check in a little bit and see what it's up to.

I'm having less BH's than I did with the last 2 babies, and hoping that just means that my uterus doesn't feel that it needs to warm up too much this time, and not that labor is still a long ways off.

And while I talk about how he's coming soon, I think some part of me is in denial about how soon it will be. It's flown by, and it seems surreal that it really is almost time - even if it's 3 weeks away, that's not long. We got 3 of the 4 bedrooms completely cleaned yesterday. In our room, I just need to finish sorting through a box of random stuff, and clean off the top of my dresser and closet, but other than that, it's done. And Aaric's room, man, I had it perfect on Friday, but Xander just goes in there every day and dumps out every single toy in the room. There's no way to store the toys out of his reach, and he's starting to sleep in there now, too, so we've got to find a way to teach him not to dump.
So, I need to do the final touches on my room, finish up Aaric's room then vacuum and shampoo that carpet, clean the clutter that accumulates in the hallway and vacuum and shampoo it, and scrub the kids' bathroom, and the upstairs is done. And since we've been focusing up there, the downstairs has gotten out of control, so I need to get that done. We're hoping to have the whole house 100% done by Wednesday. Maybe even tomorrow night. Then, we might be hiring a maid to come in once a week for a few weeks.

I have probably 485 loads of laundry to fold, too.

And now kids are making me crazy, so I'm getting offline for a while. Which is probably for the best anyway, I'm just rambling and procrastinating. I'm SO not motivated today!

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Stupid Chiro office is closed from 1-2, and I didn't realize that until 1. I didn't call at noon, assuming they'd be at lunch! So, my appointment is at 2, either today or tomorrow, and I have no way of finding out which. So, I'm driving 20 minutes across town to the office, just to find out. Ugh.

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Chiro is great for normalizing blood pressure! There were some studies that came out about a year and a half ago verifying this. And my personal experience does too! I hope it helps your BP and the other too!

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hope your appt. was today and you didn't drive there for nothing. Great job with the protein, I have a hard time most days eating 60g.

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Yay! It was today! He said the tingly fingers are most likely from my neck. When he felt my neck, he was surprised that I'm not having any headaches. He did my neck, upper and lower back, and arms and hand joints. He said I should feel much better within a couple days, and if I do, and don't get worse again, he doesn't think I need to do follow-up care. He just recommends coming in sometime within the first month, before all the hormones are flushed out, to get everything back in it's place before stiffening up again. He did mention that if I go overdue, he can hit the pressure points to encourage labor.

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Welcome to your lodge! I really enjoyed reading your intro.

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Welcome to your lodge! I look forward to reading all about your days leading to the birth of your newest son.

And woohoo for going to the chiro! It so helped the lower back pain I had with my son.

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Ugh. After just that ONE day last week of eating crappy, and eating very well for the 4 days since then, my bp is STILL up at 118/85, which isn't horrifiying, but higher than we want it. My typical BP earlier in the pregnancy was more like 100/65ish (ranged from 60-70), so that is a pretty big leap. If it's not lower by Wednesday, when I call Lulu with my 37 week stats, I'll be asking her about when I'm considered too risky, or when we can talk natural induction. I've only got 2 urine dip sticks up here, so I've been saving them, but I'll use one of those Wednesday when I do my belly measuring and BP checking. (I didn't mention that earlier, but she said she knows that I know enough about myself and normalcy in late pregnancy that I can handle my own prenatal care for these last few weeks, since I will not be driving to GA at this stage! The only thing that she or the OB's office would check that I can't do myself is the baby's heartrate.)

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Birth kit is here!

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Yay for supplies! I love getting things all ready to go.

I hope you bp stays put or comes down!!! Hopefully your protein levels are also doing well. Wink

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*lurk*

I was just thinking about you, knowing you are so close. Good luck!!! I'll have to be sure to stalk you. Smile

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Kelly --

Congrats on your lodge...what an intro. I look forward to seeing how you are doing this time around!

BTW -- I remember you being pregnant with Xander when I first decided to try for a natural birth with Emily.

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Hey Becci!! Stalk away! Biggrin

Okay, the kitchen is done, other than floor scrubbing, and decluttering a couple surfaces. Counters are fine, but the dining room is also the school room, and I need to clean off the tops of the shelves that have all our school stuff. And the cedar chest is in here, and it's become the common dumping place for all things that come through the door. Then, not at all a priority, but we are going to rearrange the dining room. It doesn't matter if that gets done now or a month from now, though. And the floor scrubbing is DH's job at this point. He does a better job at it honestly, but I also just can't get down there as well as he can.
Same for the front hall - just needs a floor scrubbing.
I'm about to hit the downstairs bathroom, should only take 10 minutes or so, then he can scrub all of the downstairs linoleum tonight. LIving room is clean, I just need to fold some laundry. That means... the downstairs is pretty much done. Just laundry and floor scrubbing and a tiny bit of decluttering to go.

Upstairs - Mikayla's room could use a 10 minute pick up, which I'll do with her help tomorrow. Aaric's needs about a 30 minute cleanup, plus carpet shampooing. The hallway needs some decluttering, as we just shoved stuff out there as we cleaned the bedrooms. It's not awful, some stuff just needs to go to it's home! The kids' bathroom will probably take a good 30 minutes, they get it gross. And then in my bedroom, the dresser needs a major decluttering, and I've got a box of stuff to sort through.

So, I think that having it all 100% done by tomorrow night is absolutely feasible. And then the house is done.

My BP is holding steady at what is becoming, I suppose, my "new normal." I'd read on preeclampsia.org that even for those with a low baseline, going up by 15 in the bottom number or 30 in the top number was cause concern. I'm up by 15-20 in the bottom number, so, I've been wondering at what point we truly start to worry. Upon closer reading, I found that it says that while women should be more closely monitored if they go up by that much, but are still below 140/90, that there's no evidence that women in this category (low baseline, concerning rise) are likely to suffer adverse outcomes. That makes me feel better.

I actually feel pretty good still. The tendon that I'd pulled almost 2 weeks ago is still sore, but other than that, I'm not in any real pain. I do keep getting random spasms in my lower back that hurt. The worst thing though, is getting up to pee at night. My entire pelvis is SOOO sore after lying in bed, that I can hardly walk. I limp along, holding onto the side of the dresser for support.

The BH's are picking up some, but still not anything consistent like they were with the last two. No plug loss, but I never noticed it going away with Xander, either. It just all melted away at the very end, in early labor. I have been feeling a lot of pressure in my upper thighs, so he's moving downward.

Still, none of that is any indication of impending labor. I'm 37 weeks today, and I've been estimating that it would be just after 38 weeks all along, so, we'll see what this next week brings. Since the house is done, though, I think I'll be starting all of the natural ways to ripen a cervix. Nothing that I would consider to be "natural induction" at this point. Unless Lulu is actually getting more concerned about my BP and swelling. I'll be calling her in just a little bit.

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A belated welcome to your lodge Kelly! I look forward to hearing about your 3rd homebirth!

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Tested my pee and talked to Lulu. I actually am pretty good in the urine department. ++ is bad, mine was between trace and +, so I'm okay.

She says that BH's do not indicate anything about delivery, so not to worry. It's just strange since I had so many with the past two. But it's very good that he's getting nice and low.

With my BP staying a bit elevated and pitting edema coming around every day instead of just every once in a while, she suggested natural induction before I even had a chance to ask when she'd want to consider it. She said to start by inserting several EPOs on Monday night, then doing black and blue cohosh every hour on Tuesday, every half hour on Wednesday, and increasing dosage and taking them every hour on Thursday. She said that should at least get me some good BHs going, and if he's ready, it'll kick me into labor. Between now and then, I'm welcome to do other stuff to encourage him - you know, the old standby's that are never true "induction" methods. She said, "you know, what gets them in there, gets them out..." So, walking, sex, etc. I think I'll go ahead and make another chiro appointment for Friday if I can, or Monday, and then another for Wednesday or Thursday. I've decided that my tingly fingers are very likely just good old fashioned carpel tunnel syndrom, which I know can get worse in pregnancy. So, I'll go back in and let him make sure my spine is still lined up good, and let him know about the BP concerns and that we're trying to get him out next week, so he can hit my pressure points if he feels comfortable doing so.

Even with her reassurance that the cohoshes are safe for me, I'd really love to get him out before I have to go to those. So, we'll see. Again, she's not overly worried, but I think she just doesn't want to let these pre-pre-e signs progress any further, and even with all the protein I've been getting, it's still gradually and slowly getting worse, not better. Instead of higher bp readings here and there, it's been higher every day. Same with the swelling.

So, hopefully, no more than another week.

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I actually had a lot of BH's from about 4:30 until 6:30 this morning that had me wondering if something was up, but now that I'm up, they've stopped. Today I'm finishing up the house and then going to the Vitamin Shoppe for more protein shake and to check and see if they have the cohoshes, if not, to the local herb shop to see if they have them, then to the store to buy a water hose and a few groceries. How do we go through bread and milk so fast?

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If little one hasn't arrived in the next several days, I hope your natural induction techniques do the trick for you. How nice that you have a local herb shop!

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The little turd gave me a scare. He's had his back nice and cozy over on my left side. Last night, I started feeling some small, sharp bumping up by my left ribs. I felt around, and sure enough, he'd spun over toward the right. He wasn't even all the way over, he was almost diagonal in there - at least his head was still in the same place, though. And just a minute ago, I was feeling around and it felt like it was all limbs in the front. I was really worried for a minute there that he'd gone posterior! But, i just went and laid down the check it all out, and his back is over there on the left again. It's WAY over though, and I"d really prefer to feel it up a little higher! I may have to spend some time on all fours to make sure he doesn't try to get all crazy on me!

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I'm now armed with the EPO and cohoshes. I'm going to go ahead and start the EPO orally now, and do the mega vaginal dose on Monday.
Today is my b'day and I'm blah. For one, the house could use some more straightening. It's a never ending battle. The laundry room is so full, and I don't want to wash more until I get what's done, folded. And I need to get the kids to do some school work, but I'm so unmotivated. I wish dh was home today. Then I could get motivated, if he was helping. I'm letting the kids just veg in front of the TV, because at least that way I don't have to deal with getting frustrated when they don't do what I ask... but then feel guilty for just letting them sit in front of the TV. Ugh.
I may go for a walk this afternoon. The high is 51, so I'm waiting until it hits the high before going out. I don't like cold.
I'm just tired and blah, though. Oh, and my BP was down to 115/75 last night, which is pretty good. That's not too much above my norm. I'm torn between wanting him to hurry up, and hoping he stays put - because I haven't been able to listen to my hypnobabies daily, and while we've read the lessons, I haven't listened to week 4 or 5 discs yet. It's just hard, because I can't really do them while I'm home alone with the kids, because they WILL get into something. And how can I relax while I know that they're making a mess or getting into trouble? Or heading out the door to play outside, leaving Xander inside alone or letting him out, too?

So, I'm just in a funk. Dh is at a class today, and hopefully it won't last all day. He says he won't be heading in to the office when it's over, so he'd just get to come home.

Oh! And I just realized that I was going to thaw the salmon that's in the freezer, for dinner tonight. With needing to push the protein and eat especially healthy, I told him I don't want to go out to dinner. Plus, it's expensive and I'm bored of all the restaurants in town anyway. So I thought I'd just have salmon, which is super yummy, but it's frozen solid still.

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So, so, frustrated.
Long story short - We chose a doctor for my kids 2.5 yrs ago, based on recommendations from friends, that he was supportive of non-vaxing families, and was very hands off if he knew that's what you wanted. We loved him. He was perfectly fine with homebirthed babies, just asked that I bring Xander in within the first week or so for a weigh in so we'd have a baseline, and get the PKU done. He didn't even require a visit with him, just with a nurse, but the nurse freaked out when we got there and went and got him anyway, LOL.
In June, he left that practice. Oh, side note, something I realized I didn't mention in the intro is that Dh is in the Army. Pertaining to that, there are clinics on post, and you're assigned to a specific clinic, you don't really get a say in that. Depending on the current policy, which changes frequently, you may or may not be able to go off post for health care instead. Obviously, we got off post providers when we were able, but as of right now, that option is not available. So, we can stick with the practice we're at, or move to the on post clinic that we'd be assigned to. Our doctor is now working at an on post clinic, but not the one we're eligible for. I've put in requests for exception to policy twice, and been denied both times.

At the current practice, I wasn't thrilled with the remaining doctors, but I called today and was assured that none of the remaining doctors would hassle us about our vaccination decisions. So, I decided to stay with them, and asked the nurse to find out if the kids' current provider would want us to schedule a nurse or doctor visit, and around what time frame, for a homebirthed baby. She said she'd get back to me. She called back and said that NONE of the providers at this clinic would be comfortable taking on a homebirthed baby. Period. I asked what they'd recommend I do - our family is seen at this clinic, we've done this before, we don't really have time to switch doctors at the moment! I asked that she get their doctor to call me back so I could discuss it with him. She called back and said that she talked to him, and he said that all he could recommend is that I call Tricare (our insurance) to get a new doctor. Great.

In the meantime, I've been working on gathering information about the clinic we'd be assigned to on post. The patient advocate there could provide no real information, other than just tell me that we can always switch to the clinic, and try out doctors one by one. Fun. We'd be risking a fight every single time we went in there, and I just don't need that stress. And then if we wound up hating all of them, we'd be screwed, again having to try to get an exception to policy, which requires lots of cutting red tape. While there's a perfectly good doctor who I LOVE, just 5 minutes down the road, on post! ARGH.

So, anyway, once I found out that our current doctor said absolutely not to seeing a homebirthed baby, I wondered if the clinic on post would say the same thing. Or, even if they wouldn't say no, if they'd harass me about either the homebirthing or the not vaccinating. I mean, really, in my first week or so postpartum, I do NOT feel like fighting with a doctor. By the time I called though (I'd gotten the news about the other clinic around 4:15 today), it was 4:30, and the lady who might be able to let me know about the pediatricians' preferences on seeing us, was already gone for the day. Meanwhile I had dh on the phone with the clinic that I really want to be at, to see if we could leave a message for our old doctor to call us back, and see if he can pull any strings to get us switched. But they were closed for the day already.

So, here I sit at 37w2d, planning to start natural induction stuff on Monday evening because my own health requires it, and I don't have a doctor for my baby.

I could just scream. I'll be making phone calls Monday morning. Dh is going to see if he can get an appointment witht he chief of medicine here on post ASAP and see if sitting down and talking to him in person will make a different. My denial letters were very form letter like, so he's hoping that a face to face meeting will help. The last letter also included a line assuring me that all of the clinics on base offer excellent medical care. Well, I don't consider having to essentially play Russian Roulette with the list of doctors at the clinic in order to hope that I find one that meets our needs, to be "excellent medical care." I'm not interested in whether they can diagnose strep throat, I want to know if they can respect my views as a parent instead of trying to bully me every time I go in there.

If we absolutely can't get switched to our ideal doctor, I have now heard of another doctor in town who would meet our needs. A friend of mine who is a midwife here in town (but not currently practicing) uses him, and also homebirths and doesn't vax. So I may also be working to get us switched to him, which would also require an exception to policy.

Sorry, I know that was long and technical, I just needed to vent.

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Sorry I'm so late, but welcome to your lodge any how. I hope you can get things worked out with a doctor , that is such a pain! Good luck with Mondays plans, sounds like you'll be busy:)

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(((((HUGS))))) We lost our pedi when I was 37 weeks too! A week later I ended up with a c-section because of complications and it turned out that the pedi on call was a perfect fit for us! I hope your situation has a happy ending too!

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It all feels kinda surreal right now. Next weekend, I'll most likely have a baby. I hate that it's the weekend. I wish I could take care of this doctor mess now. Last night when we were out to eat and then at the mall, I kept thinking how perfect it would be if I just happened to bump into our old doctor, and I'd apologize for taking a moment of his time and beg him to pull some strings for us. But of course, I've never seen him out of the office, LOL. My brain is just getting desperate!

I might be able to switch insurance plans - instead of everything being 100% covered, there's a $150 deductible, then 15% copay after that, with a family catastrophic cap of $1000. I'm going to call and confirm that we really would not be paying over $1000/year, and if that's the case, then as much as I'd prefer to keep that money, we can afford to do it. And then we can choose any doctor we want - including the other one I'd just been told about who would also be a good match for us. It may be easier to just switch than to get an exception to policy. I want to make sure I'm understanding the numbers right, though, just in case. I mean, Aaric fractured his skull this summer and spent 4 days in the hospital. The total bill for all of that was around $20K, and I certainly don't want to wind up being in medical debt should something like that ever happen again.

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I hope the exception to one of those friendly docs comes through. We lost our pedi with DD at a year. It was hard, but the new doctor was also good and we ended up liking her more than the first (which we never thought would happen)! I hope this all gets resolved quickly.

Question: If you are an established patient at the clinic, can they refuse to see you until an exception or is it each child separately "approved" sort of thing? Also, are these pedi or a family doc? DO you have the option of a family doc? We are now seeing a family doc and he is wonderful! Much more open to alternative/non-vacc and conservative with treatments. (He also has 6 kids so he is very experienced and he home schools 2 days a week.)

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Were it not for the homebirthing issue, the clinic itself would be fine with seeing the new baby, but I would have to get an exception to policy through the insurance company. I had a friend that went through that last year when her new baby was born, same clinic. But our old doctor was still there then, and that's who she saw, too. In fact, back in June when Aaric fractured his skull, it was just 2 days after the doctor had left. The clinic had not yet gotten all his patients switched over to new primary providers in the system. So, when I called to get a necessary referral, they said they couldn't do it because we weren't assigned to anyone. I had to call the insurance company to get the kids reassigned to a different doctor in the same clinic. First, I was told that I HAD to switch them to an on post clinic, due to the current policy. When I explained that this was an urgent need, and I did not have time to wait for an appointment at a new clinic (which is what the clinics on post would require before just randomly submitting a referral for a patient they've never met), and it was necessary for us to stay at this clinic. She was able to over-ride the system and switch all 3 kids at once, at that time. They'd do the same thing for the new baby - just over-ride the system so that all kids could be seen at the same clinic. We just can't choose to switch to a different off post clinic.
And it's a family practice. A couple of the doctors there are even DO's, but I don't know them very well. That's the other thing I have to figure out - if I switch them to this other off post clinic, it's a pediatric one. My homebirthing/nonvaxing friend gives him a glowing review. But then, I have to figure out who to go to myself. I never go in anyway, so it's not a huge deal. But at our current clinic, they don't seem to be the most knowledgable in the breastfeeding arena, and having a doctor who isn't constantly going to be telling me to wean, or refusing to Rx even drugs that are safe, etc, would be nice.

Now, a short vent. Dh was just telling me last night how I need to be resting more, blah, blah, blah. He knows I can't fall asleep easily at night, and that I'm up throughout the night to pee. Yet, who got up at 9 and made breakfast and who is still in bed at 10:45?? How am I supposed to get more rest if he won't get his butt out of freakin bed?
And that's my mini vent. He is a wonderful husband and helps out a lot around the house and would probably not bat an eye if I told him I was taking a nap once he gets up. But I don't nap well, and I would have loved to have slept in, and he does nap easily.

ETA - LOL, of course, as soon as I hit submit, I hear water running up there, and a minute later he sends me an IM saying that he's sorry, and had no intention of sleeping so late.

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Cautiously optimistic!!!
I emailed my friend who recommended this new doctor, to get the details on switching to the plan where we'd have to pay some out of pocket. She responded that a friend of hers was just able to go online and switch to an off post doctor with no problem. So, that's what I did! We could very well get a denial letter in the mail soon, but hopefully, it'll go through without any problems. She suggested just stopping by his office and asking, and he'll stop out to meet me in between patients, and jsut introduce myself and let him know that we've got a homebirthed baby on the way. He'll want to see us sometime within a week.
Worst case scenario, we're prepared to just make the switch to paying out of pocket. Well, there's always the possibility that he's not accepting new patients, too... Don't even want to think about that one. I'll beg and plead and assure them that we'll rarely ever be there anyway!

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Ugh! I am sorry the system is so hard to work around. The alternate insurance doesn't sound too bad, though it is a big switch from having everything covered. Hopefully your online change will go through without a hitch! Wink

My DH did almost the exact same thing yesterday including the apology! At least they are aware of their actions. :rolleyes:

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I'm feeling good about the pediatrician thing. Not nearly as stressed as I had been. We can handle even the worse case scenario (having to pay some out of pocket), so it's not the end of the world.
I'm stressing about inducing. Will taking the cohoshes speed up my labor, so that the mw can't make it in time? What if the cohoshes don't work? When I asked her that last night, she said that if we had *anything* to work with, she'd come on up and we'd see what we could do. She mentioned that worst case scenario, she has some cytotec. I love her and I trust her... but I just don't know if I'm comfortable with cytotec at a homebirth. I suppose I need to research it and ask her about her experiences with it so far. But, she's very, very hands off and non-intervention, so I also think that surely, if she'd go that far, it's necessary, and my only other choice would be the hospital. Where do we draw the line? It's got me feeling anxious.

Hypnobabies stuff recommends visualizing (or more, BEING there) the birth. I do that all the time anyway, so that's nothing new. I have always just spent some time, often in the tub, visualizing how it will go, with the best case scenarios. This morning, I woke up around 6 to pee, and couldn't go back to sleep. As I hung out in bed, my mind kept visualizing the birth. But instead of automatically going to the best case scenarios, it was always going wrong. Like, the one that I mostly remember - I really could feel him moving around down low, most likely wiggling his head down further and hopefully perfecting his position. So, in my mind, I got up to go pee and when I did, he was born within seconds. And it was like it was happening right NOW - and my dh was already gone out for PT, and he doesn't usually have his phone physically on him while doing PT. So then my mind starts racing to think through what all I'd do in that situation - my legs would likely feel weak, so I'd need to yell to wake the kids, and send them one at a time to gather supplies for me - blankets for the baby, the birth supplies box so i could get the nose suction bulb out, my chlorophyll to keep my bleeding under control... and then it dawned on me that I could always call a neighbor to come help, but of course, all their husbands would be out at PT, too! And then, what? It would take the mw a few hours to get here, IF she could get on the first flight out. Would I take the baby to the new pediatrician first thing, knowing that he's okay with homebirthed babies? Go to the ER and sign out AMA once they assured us that he was healthy? Trust my instincts and if he looked pink and healthy and was breathing and nursing okay, just wait on the mw??

Ugh. That's not how I need to picture the birth. I finally got out of bed because I was a bit hungry, and grabbed a protein bar. I went back upstairs and grabbed a hypno cd and stuck it in. I started dozing back off some, and then Xander (who has started sleeping in his own bed, but joins me around 4-5 am) woke up and started climbing on me and talking to me. I shushed him as much as possible, finished the CD, and then turned on PBS for him while I dozed on off for a while.

I think I need to keep the Pregnancy and Birth affirmations CD's going all day today. The kids will get annoyed, but clearly, my mind needs a reboot, and reassurance that everything will go perfectly. I'll be going to the chiro at 2 this afternoon, and I'm going to ask him to do any manipulations that he knows of that will help encourage my body to go into labor. (And deal with my tingly fingers again!) I'll also be dropping by the pediatrician's office to meet him, and actually do plan to ask him - should the baby arrive before the midwife, would he be okay with me just coming in to let him check him over. It would ease my mind a lot to not have to worry about choosing between waiting on the mw to check him out (if she was no where near us yet) or heading to the hospital. And then, I'll be doing the EPO tonight, and starting the black and blue tomorrow.

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Boy, I"m rambly today. I think I'm just feeling really conflicted. I've always been very against doing anything to urge the baby out, unless there was a clear medical reason. Anything that was considered to be effective at all, I'd want a medical reason to do it before resorting to it. I don't like screwing with nature unless we have to.
So that leaves me asking - do we have to? If I were seeing an OB, and he said that I needed to go to the hospital tonight for the cervadil and then we'd start pit in the morning, I'd question him. Not necessarily say no, but I'd ask about the risks of putting it off a few more days, ask about alternatives to cervadil and pitocin, etc. So, I feel hypocritical that I just said "okay" when Lulu told me the plan for this week.
I think I need to call her. I'm sure we'll go ahead with the plan, but for my peace of mind, I need to hear from her what the risks are, if we wait. If my BP and swelling stay the same, then is that a horrible thing? What are the benefits of a pre-emptive strike? Is it riskier to have a baby a few days earlier than he wants to be here, at home; or to develop pre-eclampsia and him be born a few days later, in the hospital?

All these things are swirling around in my mind. I just want to be at peace with it all.

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I know a bit of how you feel... I did everything I could to prepare for an intervention-free birth. My OB was excited and looking forward to helping me get a NCB (he's real into natural birth, teaches NFP classes, and knew my Bradley instructor personally!). The last month of my pregnancy my blood pressure started rising, we thought I was carrying breech (turns out he was just very high!), and then an u/s showed my amniotic fluid was almost completely gone.

My OB actually gave me the option of what I wanted to do. I felt really torn! I ended up with a c-section and at 1 1/2 weeks old Ethan was almost put in the hospital and diagnosed failure-to-thrive. Would that have happened if I had decided to keep him in longer? I don't know. I decided the possible complications outweighed the chance of stillbirth in my case.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble! But I've been there myself. It's not an easy decision weighing between different options with you and the baby's health hanging in the balance! Just do what you think will be best and try not to second-guess yourself! Remember to use your mom's intuition too!

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Thanks, Connie.

I talked to Lulu a while ago. She assured me of a few things. She says that if it's truly not time, all the cohosh in the world isn't going to get him out. She also said that yes, we're doing this now, in order to avoid being at the hospital with pitocin next week. we're enhancing what my body is going to do anyway, not forcing. She says it's pro's all around - we avoid medical interventions, we avoid the hospital, and since I do have babies on the larger side, we decrease the odds of a big baby by encouraging him to come out sooner. (Not that CPD is a concern at all, but tearing is.)
She says that she does not expect these herbs to change my typical labor progression at all. While you can always have a wild card in the bunch, there's no reason to expect that the herbs would be responsible for making me progress way faster than usual.

She said that unless we call her sooner, she plans to come up on Friday. That is, unless there has still be zero change in me. Even then, she might would come up to do a prenatal exam herself before saying I had to go to the doctor. But assuming that there's any change, she'll come on Friday, and we'll look at other options for getting him out. She did not mention cytotec this time, and I didn't bring it up yet, but I think it's possible that she was joking about resorting to it.

She's from my hometown, and my mom is on her way up her right now, and so they met up this morning and my mom is bringing the majority of Lulu's supplies up. Maybe all of them. So, everything will be here and ready to go.

Oh, and chiro appointment went well. He just showed me the basic pressure points - the one in between the finger and thumb, one on the ankle, and one on the shoulders. Said to start rubbing those. He adjusted pretty much my whole body, but especially the lower back and sacrum.

Stopped by the new ped's office but he was still out to lunch. I didn't want to wait around or have to go back out, so they said he could call me this afternoon. Hopefully I'll hear from him soon. I'm fine with just touching base over the phone, though meeting in person would have been nice.

So, I'm feeling much better.

Now, mom will be here in about an hour and the downstairs is a wreck! Gotta run clean!

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Glad the chiro appt went well! Its getting close!!

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I'm about to head to bed and fold laundry, and at some point in the next little bit, insert a bunch of EPO. I'm hoping to wake up to a different cervix! Right now, it's not effaced at all, and is pretty far back so I can't tell for sure if there's any dilation yet.

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GL! Hope things start happening soon!

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Eh, no change this morning. BH's haven't even been waking me up at night, but I did notice them throughout the night last night. I doubt that has anything to do with the EPO and everything to do with them just picking up as time goes by. The cervix is identical to last night though.
And, I was expecting it, but it still threw me off, so a word of wisdom to anyone who uses EPO vaginally - the gelcaps will mostly dissolve, and then fall out at some point. Don't get all excited and think it's your plug. LOL. It was the middle of the night, and it took me a few seconds to remember what it was.
Just took my first black and blues dose. My mind is boggling a bit at how many pills I'll take today. Since I started at 8:30 and am supposed to keep it up until 4-5pm, that's 9 doses, which is 27 pills, plus 1 prenatal makes 28, plus I'm supposed to be getting around 20 alfalfa's a day at this point, that's 48, plus for good measure, I went ahead and took 2 more EPO's orally. FIFTY pills today! And I'll be getting double the black and blue tomorrow. good grief!

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My goodness.... I'm sure I'll hear you rattling around here in Australia Wink

Oh, and thanks for the EPO tip, will remember that one.

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Still nothing. BH's were rather strong last night, a few hours after having stopped the pill-popping. I don't know if the pills were the cause or not. Cervix is still the same this morning, after another EPO night. I'm wondering if I need to do some belly binding. He's not hanging way out there, but I've read about belly binding to pull the baby toward the spine and put more direct pressure on the cervix. Because right now, my cervix is around, almost behind his head.

In other news, I suddenly find myself with a backup midwife! I don't expect to need her, but just in case, it's good to know she's there.
When I was at the chiro on Monday, he mentioned that he has a new client who is a midwife and is pregnant, and that she just recently moved here. I almost asked if she did homebirth, but so seriously doubted it that I just didn't bother. I got home and checked email, and a friend (sorta, I guess... we've been emailing for a couple years and she's local but we've never met!) who is a non-practicing midwife (due to legalities here in NC, she doesn't want to risk it) had emailed me about a new homebirth CNM and gave me the name of her practice to google.

So, I googled, found her site, got her number, and called, Monday evening. She came over yesterday so we could meet, and agreed to be a backup. She seems nice. Ideally, I'd have time to get to know her better. But then, the whole idea is that if we were all alone, we'd have to choose between doing it totally unassisted, including newborn care and assessing my bleeding, or head to the hospital. So even someone who is not a perfect fit would be a better choice than either of those. And maybe she is a great fit - it's just that we just met.

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Yay! Hopefully, your midwife will make it in plenty of time, but having a backup just in case is nice. Wink

I am taking notes about what all you are taking in case I decide someday I am really done being pregnant and willing to take that many pills at once- LOL! I hope it gets things moving for you soon. Biggrin

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Just talked to Lulu. It really sucked to have to say, "yep, I'm taking everything you recommended, but no progress." sigh.
His head is so low, that when I try to check my cervix, I bump into a skull just about an inch in. If that far. Yet, just BH's at night and no effacement yet. I can't tell for sure on dilation, because I can get my finger in the cervix, but not to the inner opening.

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I have a headache. I want to nap, but I'd miss doses of the cohoshes if I did. Every 30 minutes is about to drive me crazy. I'm praying I go into labor by tomorrow morning, because I really don't want to do another day of these pills.

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:jawdrop: How in the bloody hell did I miss the fact that your having a 4th wee little one!!! Good heavens me, where have I been! I'm so sad that I've missed your pregnancy lol I'm off to catch up now Smile And congrats btw!! :bighug:

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LOL, Chims, it's okay, I haven't been posting a lot until recently.

So, yesterday, my headache just wouldn't go away. I listened to the Hypnobabies fear release while Xander sat beside me watching cartoons, then he went to sleep and I decided to nap. I set the timer on the oven every 30 minutes, and had Aaric waking me up to make sure I got up to take the herbs. Mom was out with Mikayla, having a girls' day. I'd set the alarm to take a 4:30 dose, but just couldn't muster the energy to get up to take yet another pill! (or 3) Right around 5, I took tylenol, and 30 minutes later took one more. I still had the headache.
Mom and Mikayla came home, then dh came in from work. He and I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things, knowing I needed to do some walking. I was just SO tired. Not like, physically hurting tired, but wanting to sleep tired. I'd gotten a little lightheaded, so I ate a protein bar and drank some water as we walked around. (dh teased me about stealing. I say no one is going to get between a pregnant woman and her snack!)
We got home and I went straight to bed. It was around 8. I was REALLY hopeful that my feeling this miserable was the signal to my body to sleep, to prepare for a big day when I woke up.
I napped for about an hour, then woke up and the headache had gotten worse. At 10, I took 2 more tylenols. Dh took my BP to make sure it wasn't skyrocketing. Nope. My old norm was 100ish/60-70. My "new norm" had become 115-120/80-85. Monday, it had hit 123/90. Last night, it was 108/78. Sounds like a significant enough drop to cause a headache. I'd read that blue cohosh can affect BP, so I'm betting that's it. Anyway, at 11, dh recommended caffeine, but I didn't want to wind up awake all night. But, I could be awake and in pain or just awake, so I let him make me a cup. I went to sleep probably 5 minutes later.
And so, here I am, 8:30 am, no labor, but at least no headache. And about to start my herbs for the day. I would love to never pop another pill.
Oh, and due to the headache, I jsut didn't care, and didn't do the EPO last night. I hate that, but oh well.
Today, it's 4 blues and 2 blacks, every hour.

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Oh, Kelly, I'm so sorry things seem not to be working. But you never know.

If it were me, and considering that the BP seems to be in a "safe" zone, I think I'd scrap all the efforts and just take a day for me. Of course, I realize that with 3 other kiddos, that might not me too realistic. Wink

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Taking the pills hourly isn't nearly as bad. It's still not fun, but every half hour was just plain annoying. Even though I'm taking 6 every hour, it's better. And I bought sprite, because water yesterday was just bad. Water + cohoshes = day of yuck.

Lulu says that if there's still no progress by tonight/tomorrow, we'll just wait a bit and see. I've read that blue cohosh can lower BP, so I bet it's responsible. Assuming she recommends similar to what I've read online, I figure we'll take the weekend off from the cohoshes, and maybe try again next week. I've read they can be hard on the body (liver maybe? Or kidneys?) if taken for very long at a time.

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Hope things start moving along on their own Kelly. ((hugs)) A day off sounds good.

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