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~*~Susan's (RedRoses) Birth Lodge~*~

Welcome! Can't wait to get to know you:)

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Yay Susan! Welcome to your lodge!

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Welcome to your lodge!

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Welcome to your lodge! Can't wait to read your intro!

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Oh, hooray! Thanks for the warm welcome. I've only been a part of this board for such a short time, and I wasn't really expecting a lodge. I'll work on my intro and try to have it posted later today.

For now, I've got to get moving for the day and get out to get my 2nd hematocrit blood draw. My first one at 32 weeks came back moderately anemic and I've been on supplements. I can only use the birth center if I was able to get it up--so send red blood cell vibes my way! I think I did get it up because I'm not short of breath and have more stamina. We'll see in a few days!

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Welcome to your lodge! Sending you all the red blood cell vibes I can muster:) (there's one I haven't done before)

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Great to see ya here, Mama!
Hope this birth story is way better than your last!

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Welcome to your lodge! :woohoo:

Hoping your red blood cell count improves so you can use the birth center!!

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Welcome to your lodge, can't wait to read your intro! Sending you red blood count vibes!

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Hope the blood test gives you good results.

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Here is my intro:

My name is Susan, I turned 30 a few months ago, and I'm currently a SAHM to my son, Adam, whose picture you can see in my signature.

DH and I met almost 8 years ago when we were living in Philadelphia. I was working as an elementary music teacher and working on my masters part-time. He had just moved back to Philly to start a PhD program. We met through our church, but at my own house. I was hosting a party for the new students at my house (which I shared with 2 other girls from my church) and DH attended. We hit it off right away, but alas, I was dating someone else. The ex was actually a big jerk but he was away at boot camp and I felt so guilty for totally flirting with DH while he was away suffering. The ex came back from boot camp, and we actually broke up and got back together several times over the course of 1 year before I official dumped him. DH waited less than a week before asking me out. He was paying attention and didn't want me to get sucked back into the ex's manipulation.

We dated for 6 months and it became serious pretty quickly. After 6 months DH proposed on Valentine's day and I accepted. We got married 6 months later, in August of 2004. I was 24 and he was a few weeks short of 26 when we tied the knot.

DH, of course, was knee deep in his 5-year PhD program and I was a teacher. I wanted to have babies pretty quickly, but financially we didn't think it would be a good idea. I knew I wanted to be a SAHM but my job provided great health benefits. He did have a fellowship, but basically I supported us until he was finished. So we waited until the end was in sight for DH's schooling. We lived in Philly for 3 more years. I got pregnant with DS in Dec of 2006. By June, DH had found a job in Washington DC. So I finished out the school year, and then had a week to pack up our house and move--7 months pregnant! DH started before the end of June so his benefits would start on July 1, so we could have seamless insurance, which left me to do most of the work myself. Washington would definitely not be my choice of places to live, but it is the central place for DH's line of work so it was not a big surprise.

I had so much packing and other stuff to do, and since my pregnancy was so uneventful, I waited a tad too long to find a care provider in the DC area. By the time I started making calls I was almost a month behind on appointments. I was interested in a natural birth, but the only midwives I could find were around the beltway from us and DH was really concerned about the traffic lag in getting to them in case my labor was quick. So I ended up with an OB's office that had midwives on staff--only to find out after my first appointment that the mw's there only do prenatal care and don't deliver. But was was just over 6 weeks out and nervous about finding someone, so I stuck with them. They seemed really progressive and supportive of a natural delivery. The hospital they use, too, was all about rooming in and said they encourage women to use birthing balls and only require a monitor for a few minutes an hour.

I'll post DS's birth story in another thread, but basically it was anything but a natural birth. I take partial responsibility for that because I did end up asking for the epidural--but only after being left to labor alone in a wheelchair in a hallway for 1/2 hour, being given an IV against my will (which I had been told previously wasn't required), and being repeatedly asked for my DH's social security number in the middle of strong contractions, even though we were preregistered. I ended up with the epidural, an episiotomy (which I did not consent too, and was screaming at the OB to stop as he was cutting) which tore into a 3rd degree tear, and a vacuum assisted delivery because apparently DS was "struggling" but had apgars of 9 and 9. I blame myself because the epidural opened the door for all of those things--but I also blame the crappy OB who delivered him. My DH is a very reserved and gentle person and I am pretty sure that if he ever sees that guy again, he will punch him.

My 3rd degree tear never healed properly, or perhaps wasn't sewn up right. It still is sensitive to the touch. When I asked another OB at the practice about it, I was told "the penis doesn't rub against that part of the vagina, you should really be fine." Uh, I don't know about your husband, sweetie, but mine fills the area! That response was the last straw!

So that brings me to this pregnancy. I found a great group of midwives that have an office basically next door the the old OB's. They run a freestanding birthing center within the hospital complex. They are independent but physically connected, in case of emergency. They have a very low transfer and intervention rate, though, and are able to be my attendants in the hospital should I need to birth there. I feel really comfortable with all 4 of them and I am really excited about the center. They have 3 suites all with beds and roomy tubs with jets. They are really open about whatever I want to do, and really don't care who I have come to help with the birth--though I will have just DH and my doula present--but knowing that they would also allow my friends and family (including DS) seems like a really good sign to me.

So that is my story of how I got to where I am. I'm really looking forward to this birth!

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TFS your story! I sincerely hope you have a better experience this time around. I'm in a very similar type of birth center situation and getting "risked out" is one of my biggest fears (although the midwives accompanying you to the hospital in that event does make me feel better too) so I will be sending you lots of happy, healthy, normal birth vibes from here on out! Smile

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Welcome to your lodge, Susan! I hope this next birth goes much better the way you would like it! Sounds like you are in a better situation with your providers, plus your experience. I look forward to following you!

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Sounds like you found a great place and more supportive attendants this time. Hope your blodd test show you are not anemic and you can birth in the center.

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I hope you don't get risked out of the BC - sending you TONS of red blood cell vibes!

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Susan- I'm so sorry your first birth was so awful! I really hope that this second birth is everything you envision! It seems you're in a much better position for it this time!

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Thanks for the well-wishes everyone!

I don't think I will get risked out, because like I said, I feel way better now than I did a month ago. I'm so glad that they caught the anemia when they did.

From about month 4 of this pregnancy, I was feeling tired. Or rather, exhausted. I told lots of people that, including the midwives, and everyone's response was "you're pregnant, you're supposed to be tired". When I pointed out that with DS's pg I had lots more energy, they would remind me that I'm almost 3 years older and now taking care of a toddler. True, but with DS I was working full time as a teacher and on my feet, as well as doing things like packing up my house. DS and I spent many long days at home together with the TV on and me dozing on the couch. I felt horrible about that. But even climbing 1 flight of stairs would leave me absolutely winded. I'd have to sit down and pant.

When I went in for my GDB test, they did a routine hematocrit as well. Apparently the normal low for a non-pregnant woman is 38, the normal low for a pregnant woman is 33, the lowest the BC will take for a birth is 30, and I only came in at a 28! This was a bigsurprise to me as I've never had anything like this before. However, it does make sense because I bled out really badly with my m/c last year and I wonder if my body just never recovered. I was actually relieved to find out that pg at 30 didn't have to be like that! I was starting to wonder how anyone ever literally had the energy to have more than 2 kids!

So I was prescribed 2 iron pills per day as well as lots of red meat, beans, and spinach w/ vitamic C. No problem, I love those foods! My m/w said that she could not think of one person who could not get the iron levels up to the bc standards. I'm feeling so much better now so I'm pretty sure everything will be fine. I will probably find out on Tuesday at my next appointment. If for some reason they are not up to 30, I still have some more time (hopefully) to get another test in 2 weeks.

Even if I pass the test, the only residual thing is that the m/w's are a little concerned about my bleeding in general. I'm a pale redhead, recovering anemic, and had the bleed at my m/c. So we've already agreed to a shot of pitocin as soon as baby is delivered, even if everything looks OK. They said they usually wait and see if there is bleeding, but in my case it's better safe than sorry. That seems like good and reasonable idea to me, though I'm a little afraid of how the pitocin will feel after experiencing only the natural contractions for so long.

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My 3rd degree tear never healed properly, or perhaps wasn't sewn up right. It still is sensitive to the touch. When I asked another OB at the practice about it, I was told "the penis doesn't rub against that part of the vagina, you should really be fine." Uh, I don't know about your husband, sweetie, but mine fills the area! That response was the last straw!

I had the EXACT SAME THING happen! My tear (no episiotomy, just a lousy OB) never healed properly... my midwife actually says she suspects it'll need to tear again next time around so it can heal properly. But she feels confident she can "clean it up".
Anyways, it's exciting to "meet" you, what a great intro!

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Just wanted to say welcome to your lodge, Susan!

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"jooniper" wrote:

I had the EXACT SAME THING happen! My tear (no episiotomy, just a lousy OB) never healed properly... my midwife actually says she suspects it'll need to tear again next time around so it can heal properly. But she feels confident she can "clean it up".
Anyways, it's exciting to "meet" you, what a great intro!

My m/w said the same thing! She thinks the birth will probably tear the parts that aren't healed properly (there seems to be some kind of skin tag about 2" inside) and either she will be able to give me some local and stitch them up, or the more natural tear will hear on its own. She said I will probably also have a small tear around the entrance from where the cut was because it is a weak point.

She also added that a large portion of their clients are not first time moms, who are refugees from a bad OB experience with stories a lot like ours. She is confident I will be happier with my healing this time.

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I really need to get myself started on birth affirmations!

Last night as i was settling into bed, I felt a lot of those shooting pains in my pelvis and cervix. I'm pretty sure it's just the baby's head rubbing some nerve the wrong way as my muscles relax in that position--but it was so intense that I started moaning loudly, so much that it woke up my DH (and he is hard to wake up). But after that I started to feel really afraid--can I really do this? My head knows the answer is yes, but I really need to work at it. I stayed up for a little longer reading birth stories from Ina May. any other suggestions?

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I find having a series of mantras you can repeat to yourself helpful. Something really simple you can repeat over and over.

Glad you are feeling better, I was anemic with Hawkes and it was horrible. Mine never cleared and I did bleed pretty bad. I had the shot of pitocin after delivering the placenta. It really was no big deal.

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I also find taking 20 minutes or so, or even just before I fall asleep at night, I talk to my baby. It might sound silly, but I really think it helps. I pretend baby is listening and responding. We talk about how the birth is going to be a challenge (in a good way) for us both but that mama will take care of him/her and we'll do it together. And in the end it will be great and we'll have accomplished something wonderful as mother and child.

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Those are great suggestions. The pregnancy affirmations have been good, but I am ready for some birthing affirmations, too. (Not the kind to start the birthing time, just more geared towards birth). How about this...We can do this!!!!!!

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Don't know how you feel about Bible quotes, but one that was helpful for me was:
"I Can Do All Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me" Philippians 4:13

Simple and to the point!

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Here is a great site I came across once: http://www.positivebirthstories.com/ It has positive birth stories, affirmations, and some gorgeous birth art.

ETA: oh, and I had IV pitocin and a shot of methergine because there was too much bleeding after my DS's placenta came out, but there's really a big difference between the feeling of post-birth cramping and labor contractions. I had a pitocin induction for my DD and it was totally different to have the pitocin contractions with the baby in there. Really, the cramps I got from the drugs post-birth with my son were not worse than the ones I got while breastfeeding him in the days following and they were not harder to deal with than the spontaneous unmedicated birth I'd just experienced.

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Great news! I had my m/w appt today and got the lab results from my 2nd hematocrit. It went from 29 to 33! Yahoo So it's well above the b/c minimum of 30. So unless something drastic happens, I'm set to use the center.

Other than that it was a very routine appointment. I had my GBS test and will get results next week. I ased the m/w if I would be checked and she said they don't do it unless I'm leaking or something until 40 weeks, unless I request otherwise. I'm glad they are so low-key but I do have a feeling that maybe something might be happening because the baby's head is sitting very low in my pelvis. I'm having the sciatic nerve pain that I had with Adam right at the very end.

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That's wonderful news! Hooray!

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that's great news!

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Fantastic news!! What a relief for you!

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Hooray! I had my "38 week" appointment today at 37w 5d. Got my GBS results and I am negative! hooray, no IV!

We also talked a little about birth plan stuff. I'm really comfortable with how they do things so I will only have a hospital transfer one. The m/w even asked if I was "interested" in the eye ointment and vit K shot. I said I didn't think they were necessary and her reaction was to smile and say "ok, that's easy then". I'm so glad they are so low key!

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Yay for negative GBS! And for agreeable care providers:)

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Woo hoo for GBS-! Glad your m/w is so low key!

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Hooray for all of that! I hope to join you in the GBS- club this week. You are good to go!

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Wow, I had a big surprise today. I was just sitting down on the couch and all of a sudden a very intense contraction that was rather painful, and lasted about a minute! It came out of nowhere. With DS I started with short contractions that took hours to build before they were painful, so I was really taken aback. I thought maybe it was labor starting. I tried to relax (which was hard, since I was so surprised) and it was fine. But then it was gone and nothing else today. Fine by me! But my body is getting ready!

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The baby is just saying "hey mom, still here!!! you ready yet?":)

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All right, feeling all set now!

I met with my doula today and talked through what I see her role being as well as her suggestions. She would like to come to our house during early labor just in case I progress quickly. I'm really glad for that since the b/c wants me to wait until my contrax are 3-4 minutes apart for 2 hours...that seems like it will be pretty intense by the time we leave.

My doula is working on her certification, so she is not "official" but the b/c doesn't care who I bring and are fine with a training doula. She is a friend from my church and has helped 2 other women, and had her own baby naturally.

I asked her about comensation and she was kind of open ended, stating she's not reall professional yet. I did manage to find out that the last couple paid her $150...does that sound right to you guys? Any suggestions for what kind of compensation is appropriate?

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I'm glad things are in a row for you! I'm so excited to hear about your birth:)

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I'm glad all your test results came out well with your levels and the negative GBS. Sounds like your all set to go! I'm not even sure what the going rates are for doulas. Maybe call another local doula that is certified and see what her rates are for comparison?

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Hey Susan-
Yay for contractions! Sounds like your time might be sooner than later!

My doula cost $500- but she is certified. I know rates vary from place to place as well.

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OK, TMI...So last night we DTD, which is not unusual for us, we do it every couple of days...but this morning I woke up extremely "wet" and even after I cleaned up in the shower I'm still having a lot more than average moisture. And it is clear like water. I'm wondering if I have a slow leak? It's not at all like the usual post-DTD sperm leakage.

I'm having lots of light contractions today, ranging from plain old BH, to a couple of real ones--but they are short and mixed in with the BH's. I do hope that if labor starts, it starts this afternoon instead of tonight. But I don't know what is going on. Thank goodness I have an appointment tomorrow. I'll see what they say.

Thanks for the input on doulas...I do think the ones around here are about $500, but this is an unusual situation since she is my friend and also this is only the 3rd birth she is attending besides her own. $150 sounds about right. Maybe I'll give her more if it ends up being a longer labor. LOL

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Oooooh - maybe!?!?!?! Maybe you won't need that appt.

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Maybe not, but I think I will. That's fine--I'm in no hurry! Contractions have petered down to nothing but BH for sure. I feel totally normal except for the wetness. Maybe m/w will be able to determine what is going on tomorrow!

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I know what you mean about being in no hurry but at the same time it is exciting to feel some "different" stuff going on. I have had the exact same thing going on the past couple of days. yet I can't seem to get myself to finish those last few things I should do. Like pack a bag. or set up the crib. I am such a procrastinator. I think my babies are, too, and that's why almost all of them have been late!

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Yeah the end can be confusing- "am I or aren't I?" Hang in there, it does sound like baby time is near:)

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I saw my doula tonight and she said right away that it looks like I've dropped a bit more, so that's good! But still, it could be tomorrow or it could be 2 1/2 weeks...lol!

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Yeah those stop start contractions are annoying. As to the wetness I have been having the same thing for a few weeks. My mw does not think it is anything but normal discharge, but it is annoying. I keep thinking it is something more. Yeah for dropping a bit. Is it easier to eat and breathe? That is what I like about dropping.

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Honestly, I wasn't having a problem with eating or breathing. Since the head moved into place, it's been more of a leg/nerve issue. It's almost like since about week 30 he's been growing *down* instead of up into my lungs. Good, I guess?

I'm glad it's not just me with the wetness. I've really been starting to wonder!

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yeah I am constantly checking because I have the wetness and this constant sensation like I am sopping wet even when I am not. Glad I am not the only one. it is annoying though.

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Sounds like you are getting close.
I think the $150 would be fine for the doula and like you said you could always pay more if you felt it was needed. That is awesome you are getting such a great deal!

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Sound promising for sure! Dropping early with a second one is a great sign - with my second I didn't drop until I was in labor with her. I also remember feeling really wet (sopping) near the end with both. Near the end is of course relative...I was wearing a pad the day my water broke with DS and I remember feeling wet all the time just prior to that (hence why the pad). With DD I can't remember when I hit that really wet feeling or if I even did. Hopefully it's a good sign though!

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