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    Yay for slackers! I am beginning week four this week and I am really REALLY going to try to at least get my fingerdrops in. My biggest problem is that I am in so much pain when I lay down it is a really big challenge to not constantly override the switch to move. I want to move SO much I have a hard time always throwing it to on or center position. And I tend to not be con sistent in how I reenter hypnosis, I always want to count and I'm not supposed to, etc etc. I do worry my inconsistency is weakening my hypnosis, but it takes so much time to practice and whenever I try my DD yells from her crib or the phone rings or I get leg spasms... it drives me NUTS! And being a naturally impatient person I have a hard time being awake through all of the script, I always get fidgety even when I am concentrating on what is being said. I do best when I am so dog tired I am prone to falling asleep during it

    Oh well, practice makes perfect and I definitely need something closer to perfection than what I had last time!
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    I'm redoing week 3 again this week. I don't feel like I've mastered the center position. I just like you always want to flip back to the center position to scratch or move to get comfortable or just plain figit! I have a hard time sitting still anyway! I find myself to be ADHD at times. That or I'm obsessive over getting it just right?! I don't know which is true. I fall asleep too. I just hope this baby bakes to his due date so I can finish the program .
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    Now I don't feel so bad I'm starting week 4 as well. My biggest issue is my skin starts itching when my switch is off! I'm always switching it on to itch. I really need to buckle down.

    I had no idea how challenging Callie's birth was. You are so strong and I really hope you get your VBAC. I agree with you and the other ladies about the BB. I keep wanting to post "WHY!? are you getting an induction!" then I stop myself. I'm so glad there are so many of the July ladies on this board.
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    I do all my finger drops as soon as I wake up because that's the only way I remember. The itching is common. It's a reaction of your muscles relaxing all over. It's ok to flip to center to itch and then flip back off.
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    I'm late reading your intro, but I just wanted to say I admire your honesty about what must have been an extremely difficult experience and I hope and pray that you get your VBAC this time around. I look forward to following your lodge!

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    Well I am glad I am not the only slacker, thing is I started week one 12 weeks ago!!! I redid week one and week two and then just finished week three - I only missed a day or two of cds, but I am thinking I need to give it more days as well, I barely remember HOW to do the technique, so I know it certainly hasn't become second nature.

    I wish there was a way to learn these skills without SO MUCH PRACTICE! I don't do well with things that require fastidiousness, like vitamins and birth control I'm just not super consistent, especially when my daily routine is not consistent at all. Oh well!
    Taryl

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaucyVidel View Post
    I wish there was a way to learn these skills without SO MUCH PRACTICE! I don't do well with things that require fastidiousness, like vitamins and birth control I'm just not super consistent, especially when my daily routine is not consistent at all. Oh well!
    THAT IS PERFECT!!!!

    Ya'll are too funny. I'm sure you will all get the practice in and the weeks done before it's too late.

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    Well, my appointment yesterday was much more involved than I thought it would be, and I am not sure how I feel about the whole thing, though I am understanding the logic behind the suggestions.

    Backtracking first, I gained back the three pounds I lost two weeks ago so I am again up 5 for the whole pregnancy. I fibbed abvout the urine screen, I kept trying to pee (and it felt like I had to and I even had LOTS of water!) but I couldn't seem to eke anything out, so I told them it was fine (as I am positive it was) and went on my way (bad mommy ). The midwife I went to see out of the practice of three is my absolute favorite, she's VERY knowledgable and used to be a homebirth nurse-midwife, so a good clinician but super amenable to natural birth and our personalities match very well.

    The night before I KNOW I felt hiccups down low and kicks in the boob, so I was quite surprised when she said she thought the baby might be breech. She yanked out their ultrasound to make sure and was surprised to see the baby was indeed head down, LOA but at a bit of a funky angle hence the palpitation issue. It was a teeny ultrasound screen so like last time I didn't get to see (lest I see dangly bits, too!) but she said everything looked great.

    She (let's just call her Karin, that is her name!) then sat down to discuss two issues/realities with me. Yes, dread pooled in my stomach over that.

    Karin's first item was a simple fact - even if I am healthy going post-daste the OBs are not supportive of it for a VBAC and the hospital gets quite nervous. The midwives will go with very LOW intervention (ie: natural induction methods) until 41 weeks when they get more serious. As frustrating as that is for me, especially since I hate the kind of artificial urgency that puts on a pregnancy, I do understand her angle and the fact that because I may very well progress slowly that helping my body's feedback loop with a few smart interventions to get the ball rolling makes it less likely, in my circumstance, to need higher managed care more urgently at the end. She admitted flat out that any induction statistically increases my chance for a c-section, simply because if you're looking at an intervention you're not looking at a normal, naturally precipitated labor pattern and just by sheer statistics that makes it more likely you WON'T have a normal labor pattern with or without the augmentation. It's a bit of a chicken-egg argument.

    She said that barring any complications they'd like to get me to three or four cm with a Foley (balloon) catheter and wait a few days to see if that helps start my hormone cues and then triggers the baby's, etc etc. It's less painful and less of a danger for AROM than sweeping the membranes, and from my own research of it I know it can be very effective and safe.

    So while I am opposed to it in principle, if they are going to get jumpy for starting labor that and the other standard natural methods are certainly preferably to pitocin.




    Which leads to the second item of discussion. Karin said she'd like to use an epidural on me. Of course, this freaked me out hugely coming from a naturopath like her until she explained. She said that IF I became stuck, and she was worried I may have a bit of a mental block on 5 cm (where I got stuck with Callie) and we'd tried hours of the shower, position changes, walking, hypnobirth cues, etc etc she'd absolutely insist on me taking an epidural BEFORE pitocin, which is the only safe labor augment, statistically speaking, for a VBAC (it's very low elevated risk compared to prostoglandins that increase the risk seven fold or more).

    And her reason for pairing that with the epidural would NOT be comfort, shockingly enough.

    We all agree that in Callie's labor, after that many days of induction, I absolutely should have had an epidural before going to the c-section. There's many involuntary muscle groups that sometimes we can't consciously relax, especially with anxiety and exhaustion mounting. Because the epidural relaxes all those muscles if I am well and truly stuck relaxing them BEFORE starting pitocin, in her experience, helps the muscles relax and therefore a lower dose work more effectively. If things get going again they'd let the epidural wear off unless there was a reason not to, and I know all three of the midwives loathe the cascade of interventions, but if we're really having problems she thinks I'd be in for less mental and physical trauma as well as a better chance for progressing for vaginal birth if they are smart with their inductions.


    There were some other minor things discussed, like minimal internals and ONLY by her or the midwives, less for gauging centimeters and more for checking the position of the baby's head by feeling the cranial bones, and if necessary tucking the baby's chin to avoid a brow presentation (and possibly getting stuck), etc etc. It wasn't a bad appointment at ALL. But of course I was a little surprised by the induction and augmentation talk.

    Given some time and some thought, especially knowing their VERY high VBAC rate (80% is as good as it gets, really) I absolutely hear the logic in what she is saying and I can capitulate to an augmentation that doesn't require me to stay under care or with drugs, and I most certainly get the logic of coupling the hormonal therapy with the anesthesia to increase the chances of dilating without a lot of unnecessary stress. It sticks in my craw for philosophical reasons, but especially given the reality that I am in a state not amenable to VBAC and the midwives really are trying to get the ball rolling BEFORE it becomes an emergent situation that would ultimately decrease my chances for a successful birth because of the options we would lose, I get it. But.... meh.

    And of course if things look iffy with my health they'll just start the Foley catheter sooner.

    Truth be told, since I am feeling so great and I have buckled down for a long haul post date it was a little shocking to my laissez-faire sensibilities on the issue to hear that, yes, in 4 weeks we'd be actively dealing with a pre-birth and progression situation. I thought I had more time and that does put a bit of finality on it.

    Anyway, it WAS a good appointment and Karin is, if nothing else, completely dedicated to giving me as natural and easy a birth as possible. We'll see what happens! I had a dream last night that gave me hope, I'll write about it in another post.
    Taryl

    DD1: 4/07
    DD2: 7/08
    DS1: 10/10/10

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    Taryl, you're so level-headed about everything, and I really admire that in you.
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    Um...wow. See, these fears and VBAC issues that are being thrown at you are the same ones in my head. I'm sorry Taryl. I really am. I know that most of this is a mind over matter thing so where I understand the rational behind the epi, I just can't help but think that with all of your preporation and vigor, that she should have a bit more faith in you as her patient. Her VBAC rate is aweome! My doctor's isn't quite as high although she is in the very high 70's so I am pretty confident in her too. That brings me to the induction thing...with my doctor, she prefers to try some kind of induction around 38 weeks...usually natural methods (like me eating a burrito while having sex w/ dh on top of a horse while riding over rail road tracks ) and then possible full induction around 39 weeks for the same reasons yours did in addition to the added concern that a larger "fattened" term baby will be more likely to cause uterin rupture or stress on the mom. Come to think of it, she has never really mentioned letting me go to my due date..I'll have to ask her about that next week. Hmmm. Anyways, I know you really want that different experience this time around and I believe you will. The only thing I can say(as I am a complete newbie) is that you trust in your medical staff so much, that I think it's pretty safe to say that you are in good hands. If she is giving you reasons for what she wants to do and they are valid, I would *try* and relax and let her do her thing. You have made a good choice in your support staff, you have complete faith in yourself, you have done your research(and may actually complete hypnobabies! ) so I think letting them take the reins is an okay thing. Hopefully, all of this is a non-issue. You'll just start naturally on your own and that will be that. Each pregnancy is different. Thanks for the update girl!

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