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I do understand where they are coming from. But in the end I also think it's the person decision on what they feel is best for their baby. I don't think it's completely fair to stop a person from using a friends expressed breast milk, as long as you trust this friend. I don't know if I would trust shipped milk or stuff that would have to come through the mail because, even if you as the packager took care of it, the mail people might not of taken good care of it and handled it properly.

For sure take great care in the friend you choose to help you though. Because even if you know your friend well you may not know everything she does, or takes.

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the FDA can and should discourage informal milk sharing, just they (and I) discourage informal unprotected sex. DUH, you can't just take bodily fluids from anybody and think they are safe. BUT informal milk sharing is fine in many situations, especially if you are sharing milk from someone you know and trust (just like having sex with someone you trust) is perfectly fine IMO.

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So, I should probably NOT ask the prostitute and meth dealer down the street for some breast milk for my baby? Darn common sense.

If I know a person and they are friends and they offer to help give my baby EBM, I am taking it. IF I know them.

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I'm not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I could see strangers, sure, but my bff? Sorry, but she's nursing her baby and if she was watching mine and it wouldnt take a bottle or was some kind of emergency, i would not have any problem with her feeding my baby.

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The statement is in response to the formation and growth of the milk-sharing network, Eats on Feets. This network has various local chapters and uses facebook to help match up women with extra milk with women who are in need of it, instead of using milk banks which are expensive (and with the matches being local, shipping is not necessary). This is what the FDA is concerned about--milk sharing between people who meet online. I would hope that anyone who would donate in this way would be responsible about it, and I believe that if you talk to the person and feel that you can trust them, this is preferable to giving your baby artificial formula. Also, research says that simply heating the milk on the stove will actually kill many bacteria and the HIV virus (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070521130143.htm)

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"TyrantOfTheWeek" wrote:

So, I should probably NOT ask the prostitute and meth dealer down the street for some breast milk for my baby? Darn common sense.

Ok first of all... this almost made me pee my pants I was laughing so darn hard!!!!

On topic though, there is a woman here in Canada that has pretty much said she owes her daughters comfort to the kindness of women through the eats on feets. http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101130/CGY_milk_donations_101130/20101130/?hub=CalgaryHome

I think like others said if you require milk, and there is a network available simple due diligence is enough (most of the time) to see things work out for the best!! I would rather a milk-sharing system that saw to the needs of children than padding the already stuffed pockets of the formula companies who... well they suck...

We all know breast milk is the best, and for those that have had trouble like myself, I'm sure they'd agree that we wish groups like this had been around sooner! I still kick myself for not being able to feed my children properly. (no really... I know I have issues lol, fourth time's a charm right?) And seeing what good it can do, I can't see this as a bad thing.

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Riley shares his mommy milk with another girl who was born premature addicted to crack without a pancreas. She was blind and deaf and her body was in shut down mode preparing for death. She could not tolerate formula. Her foster mother decide to find donor milk and within weeks her eye sight and hearing returned and is now THRIVING! Her foster mother tried to get milk from a bank but with it being 2.00 per OUNCE, that wasn't possible. She has been drinking donor breast milk since and has over 75 moms who donate to her. She is still unable to drink or eat anything other than breast milk.

IMO, the FDA is just P.O'ed because they can't get money from it.

*Disclaimer- I haven't read the posts yet. I'm venting my POV.

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"~Kristina~" wrote:

Riley shares his mommy milk with another girl who was born premature addicted to crack without a pancreas. She was blind and deaf and her body was in shut down mode preparing for death. She could not tolerate formula. Her foster mother decide to find donor milk and within weeks her eye sight and hearing returned and is now THRIVING! Her foster mother tried to get milk from a bank but with it being 2.00 per OUNCE, that wasn't possible. She has been drinking donor breast milk since and has over 75 moms who donate to her. She is still unable to drink or eat anything other than breast milk.

What a wonderful story! The milk bank here is $3.50 per ounce. Sad And because I didn't get prescreened by them before pumping, they wouldn't take the extra 150 ounces I ended up with in my freezer. A mom posted to my local homebirth listserve asking for EBM donations, so I gave it to her -- and another 350 ounces before I was done pumping, too! She'd had breast surgery & had to supplement with formula for her first baby, but her second had a life-threatening reaction to formula. Her choice was $100+ per day from the milk bank, or peer donors, and I was happy to be able to help her.

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They can oppose it all they want but I think people will still happily give and get milk by the means they want. Its been done long before milk banks and pumping. I think they are just hurt they can't control it or make a profit out of it. I also think anyone wanting to get milk has enough interest to get some info about the milk they are getting and feel its safe or from a safe doner. IMO things that get too heavily regulated a lot of times end up more dangerous than they were when left alone.

We got milk for DS1 from my cousin when he had feeding problems early on. She had been tested and was already donating to a milk bank so I felt comfortable feeding him her milk. While I had to pay for the overnight shipping on dry ice it was way cheaper than either formula or bank milk would have been. I'm forever in awe of her kindness to us and would do it again in a minute.

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"~Kristina~" wrote:

Riley shares his mommy milk with another girl who was born premature addicted to crack without a pancreas. She was blind and deaf and her body was in shut down mode preparing for death. She could not tolerate formula. Her foster mother decide to find donor milk and within weeks her eye sight and hearing returned and is now THRIVING! Her foster mother tried to get milk from a bank but with it being 2.00 per OUNCE, that wasn't possible. She has been drinking donor breast milk since and has over 75 moms who donate to her. She is still unable to drink or eat anything other than breast milk.

IMO, the FDA is just P.O'ed because they can't get money from it.

*Disclaimer- I haven't read the posts yet. I'm venting my POV.

Wow, that is an awesome story and I agree with the bolded.

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I'm an admin for one of the eats on feets chapters, and I agree - I think the FDA and Health Canada are just upset that they don't see profit from it.

Milk sharing is as old as humanity. Mommas have always nursed other babes, and it's a normal part of a community. Use common sense, and you shouldn't have a problem.

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okay, dumb question here, sorry! I really don't know much about this subject!

If you wanted to share milk (either give or receive), couldn't you have the milk tested for HIV etc? I wonder what that costs or how you would go about it. Meaning, if it was a donor you didn't know personally, could you have it tested to confirm there wasn't anything wrong with the milk?

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"tink9702" wrote:

okay, dumb question here, sorry! I really don't know much about this subject!

If you wanted to share milk (either give or receive), couldn't you have the milk tested for HIV etc? I wonder what that costs or how you would go about it. Meaning, if it was a donor you didn't know personally, could you have it tested to confirm there wasn't anything wrong with the milk?

You could, but the HIV virus can go undetected even with standard and routine blood testing, which means you could test EBM one week and nothing and still run the risk of having it pop positive later. At least here in Canada HIV, Hep (all of them) and other big red flags are part of our initial prenatal screening. While it has become "optional" in the last five years (sure as heck wasn't before) I decided to get it done again. Should I want to donate EBM after little one is born (har har I have a hard enough time feeding one) I could easily show yearly testing for all of the nasties and coming up clean (I donate blood when I'm not preggers as well as hold MMA licences which both require yearly testing) honestly, as I said before due diligence and any mother would be able to do the same. The FDA and Canadian Government are being over cautious, they don't want people to jump in and buy EBM listed on kijiji without thinking of the consequences. As always our governments would be better off educating the public instead of using stupid scare tactics and assuming we're all morons!

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"emommyof2" wrote:

You could, but the HIV virus can go undetected even with standard and routine blood testing, which means you could test EBM one week and nothing and still run the risk of having it pop positive later. At least here in Canada HIV, Hep (all of them) and other big red flags are part of our initial prenatal screening. While it has become "optional" in the last five years (sure as heck wasn't before) I decided to get it done again. Should I want to donate EBM after little one is born (har har I have a hard enough time feeding one) I could easily show yearly testing for all of the nasties and coming up clean (I donate blood when I'm not preggers as well as hold MMA licences which both require yearly testing) honestly, as I said before due diligence and any mother would be able to do the same. The FDA and Canadian Government are being over cautious, they don't want people to jump in and buy EBM listed on kijiji without thinking of the consequences. As always our governments would be better off educating the public instead of using stupid scare tactics and assuming we're all morons!

The bold pretty much sums up darn near everything.

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"TyrantOfTheWeek" wrote:

The bold pretty much sums up darn near everything.

Yep, agreed.

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I haven't read the article yet either...but I hate how a lot of things boil down to money. Common sense should kick in in regards to WHOM you get your milk from....I nursed and pumped for my nephew way back because my sister lost her milk when he was 5 months old. I also had 150 oz in the freezer that I had to throw out because we were moving a great distance and wouldn't be able to keep it frozen on the long drive. I wanted to give it to my BFF who was fostering two premature born twins...course she couldn't take it and she later adopted them....they suffer from a few different issues and all I can think of is what a great start to life they would have had, had they been ALLOWED breastmilk....sigh...wish we could fix all the problems in the world

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I think it's reasonable to caution people.
Personally, I wouldn't accept donated milk from a stranger, but I've also never had trouble BFing. I would accept it from one of my sisters (if they ever have kids) and I would gladly share milk with the baby of a sibling or friend.

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"TyrantOfTheWeek" wrote:

The bold pretty much sums up darn near everything.

personal I have never breast feed :rolleyes: Hoping to try with this little man I got comming but may I just say...

AMEN?!!?! hehe

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I know I've posted already. I just have to also put that with my first DS I was unable to nurse. He refused to latch on and without his sucking stimulation my milk just wouldn't come in. I was pumping every hour and a half for a week straight and all it got me was sore nips. None of my friends were breastfeeding, my sister doesn't breastfeed. I had NO one to get milk from with out paying oodles of money to get it. So I formula fed him. If someone would have offered me milk, someone I knew and trusted, I would have taken it in a heart beat. He is now 2 1/2 years old and he still has side effects from feeding him formula, constipation issues.
With my second DS I was determined to breast feed and took all the huge steps to make sure it would work out and now i'm going on 9 months good and strong. I was even pumping enough extra, he wouldn't drink it all he wants is mommy, that I offered to help a friend who was struggling. She didn't end up needing it though so I used it in DS's food for the first little bit then stopped pumping.

I know how hard it can be to not nurse and how giving breast milk can be a huge life saver. Not being able to give our baby the best, when that's what you planned on is heart breaking too. To go and make a huge deal out of it is a bit much. I understand caution but people should use some sense and not accept something that could contain harmful things, just like formula can. I would hope that those donating would be the ones using common sense though so those that are accepting don't have to worry. Sadly it seems that fewer and fewer people have developed their common sense.

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What I don't like about the FDA statement is that they come right out and say, very black and white, that mothers should ONLY get milk from other mothers through milk banks. I agree that it is better to educate people than to try to scare them. The Eats on Feets website's FAQ section has a lot of info on precautions you can take to ensure the milk you get is safe: http://www.eatsonfeets.org/#faq

There are risks and ill-effects to formula feeding. Even though it is culturally accepted as a reasonable alternative to breastfeeding, it is not. One question that is worth considering is: if you go through precautions to get the safest donor milk you can find in your circumstances, even if it is from a donor you did not know previously, does the very small risk of getting milk that could transmit a disease to your baby outweigh the significant health risks of formula feeding?

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the FDA can and should discourage informal milk sharing, just they (and I) discourage informal unprotected sex. DUH, you can't just take bodily fluids from anybody and think they are safe. BUT informal milk sharing is fine in many situations, especially if you are sharing milk from someone you know and trust (just like having sex with someone you trust) is perfectly fine IMO.

This is exactly where my mind went. It's not just meth dealers and prostitutes that carry disease, but also plenty of clean, normal-looking people as well. As much as I like the idea of milk-sharing to help someone in need, I don't think I could ever feed my child someone's bodily fluids unless it was a person that I know and trust very closely. I don't think it's a bad idea to warn people of the risks of milk-sharing as there are real legitimate risks associated with ingesting anyone else's milk, and people should be informed when deciding where their baby's food comes from.

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I'm of the mind that *my* breast milk is best for *my* children. If I couldn't provide my breastmilk to my children (as I don't have any sisters), I really would consider formula. Giving my children someone else's breastmilk (especially a stranger from online) is not a real option to me.

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I donated more than 2000oz of bm to a mama who's baby needed it. We met through my mother, who did her hair and told her she had bfing daughters (sis and I).

I'm all for milk-sharing. Be safe, know your source. But in the end, women who take the time to pump, store and give away milk aren't doing it to spread disease but to better the lives of babies.

There are risks to using formula. Plain and simple. Formula is recalled all the time. Even in the US twice as many FF babies die than BF babies. The FDA makes that statement against milk sharing without taking into account the risks of formula.

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She has been drinking donor breast milk since and has over 75 moms who donate to her.

The idea of having 75 different donors for my baby's breast milk would seriously disturb me. Each added donor increases the risks incredibly. I'd seek a different solution.

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The idea of having 75 different donors for my baby's breast milk would seriously disturb me. Each added donor increases the risks incredibly. I'd seek a different solution.

There is no other solution, it's breastmilk or death. She can not eat any thing else.

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"kridda_88" wrote:

Sadly it seems that fewer and fewer people have developed their common sense.

nak

we don't need common sense anymore, we have the government's micromanaging laws to replace common sense. didn't you girls get the memo!?

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

I donated more than 2000oz of bm to a mama who's baby needed it. We met through my mother, who did her hair and told her she had bfing daughters (sis and I).

I'm all for milk-sharing. Be safe, know your source. But in the end, women who take the time to pump, store and give away milk aren't doing it to spread disease but to better the lives of babies.

There are risks to using formula. Plain and simple. Formula is recalled all the time. Even in the US twice as many FF babies die than BF babies. The FDA makes that statement against milk sharing without taking into account the risks of formula.

I totally agree with this. pumping isn't really that fun and I can't imagine someone would take the time to donate if they truly didn't want to help other mothers. I actually used expressed milk from a friend of mine when I was having problems with pumping at work.

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"momW" wrote:

nak

we don't need common sense anymore, we have the government's micromanaging laws to replace common sense. didn't you girls get the memo!?

I know. Sad

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"Mom2ThreeKiddos" wrote:

I totally agree with this. pumping isn't really that fun and I can't imagine someone would take the time to donate if they truly didn't want to help other mothers. I actually used expressed milk from a friend of mine when I was having problems with pumping at work.

I think so, too. Eats on Feets does not support any money changing hands over their network, it is meant to be strictly donation. I also really can't see why anyone would go through the trouble to donate, at no benefit to themselves, if they weren't committed to helping babies, which includes not giving babies milk that could give them a disease.

In our culture, we think breastmilk = body fluid = disease-ridden substance. But breastmilk is a disease-fighting substance. The disease-fighting properties of the milk may actually destroy pathogens in expressed breastmilk. Babies who are fed formula do not get the protection from disease that breastmilk provides, and are thus at an increased risk of getting sick.

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"momW" wrote:

nak

we don't need common sense anymore, we have the government's micromanaging laws to replace common sense. didn't you girls get the memo!?

:udawoman:

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It's not the breastmilk sharing that bothers me, it's the 75 donors. I'd really try to find a steady supply of fewer donors. Perhaps that simply is not possible over time, but I would try.

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its the FDA regulations managing the milk banks that make it cost so much anyway, maybe they should encourage more donations to help offset the cost so that it can be available to more moms/babies.

When i donated 300 oz of milk to a milk bank (which i have no problem doing, i should have given them more but i didnt know at the time how much DD didn't like the bottle or that if she did have a bottle, her babysitters were more apt to mix up the occasional bottle of formula, my analogy being formula = cheetos and BM = broccoli in terms of nutrition, and she was on solids by then anyway....) the did run all those tests, so maybe if we could find an inexpensive way to have donor mothers be able to get those tests it would help everyone who needed milk.

and on that note- My DH's best friend's GF had their baby prematurely at 34 weeks because the placenta tore. Emergency c-section with a VERTICAL incision to save them both. I offered her pumped milk that i had for my DD and she had NO CLUE that she should take it. seriously. she actually thought formula would be just fine for her baby. Heck, if she'd asked me, i'd have packed up DD and stayed with them at the hospital with the baby so i could nurse him. but no, she didnt get it.

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It's funny - the whole idea of milk-sharing seems so natural to me, that I was honestly surprised by the uproar it all caused. My circle of friends freely nurses on another's babes... always has. If a baby is hungry, whatever boob is closest feeds it. Now that many are toddlers, a similar sort of 'communal plate of food' seems to have taken it's place, which is not so great for germs, etc...but I digress. ANYWAY - the benefits to having other nursing moms around is also that if I want to go out for a couple hours, I know I don't have to pump to feed my babe (I've never been good at pumping, period) - I can just ask one of them to stay with the babe and feed them should they get hungry. Of course, this is milk-sharing among mommas I know and trust, and I'm blessed to have this situation.

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

There are risks to using formula. Plain and simple. Formula is recalled all the time. Even in the US twice as many FF babies die than BF babies. The FDA makes that statement against milk sharing without taking into account the risks of formula.

This.

Where are the warnings about using formula? Both the FDA and Health Canada seem oblivious to the fact that the alternative to milk-sharing is formula, which also has risks. Who's to say which one is riskier? The WHO at least recognizes that milk from another mother is preferable to formula. And at least with milk-sharing, you can get to know the mama the milk is coming from, interview her, ask to see her blood work results, and you can flash pasturize the milk on your stove. You can minimize the risks. Can you really do that with formula?

As for the whole "bodily fluids of another woman" thing...people seem to forget about where formula comes from. I'd rather give my baby the "bodily fluids" of another woman I know than the "bodily fluids" of a (possibly diseased) hooved animal that's pumped full of antibiotics and hormones. The physiologic norm is for human babies to receive human milk. Cow's milk is for cow babies.

I'm not hating on formula here and definitely not hating on people who use formula. I just think that milk-sharing should be just as acceptible an option for those who wish to go that route.

Oh, and just to add a bit of Canadian context...Canada has ONE milk bank. And it's in BC. Milk from a milk bank is an impossibility unless your very sick preemie is a patient at the hospital that has that one milk bank. (Very sick preemies are the only ones who qualify for the banked milk.) There is no option to buy from a milk bank here. And while everyone is all, "we need more milk banks! that's the solution!" no one is ready to get that ball rolling. Milk banks are YEARS away. It's not meeting the need that's there NOW.

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I'm an admin for one of the eats on feets chapters, and I agree - I think the FDA and Health Canada are just upset that they don't see profit from it.

Milk sharing is as old as humanity. Mommas have always nursed other babes, and it's a normal part of a community. Use common sense, and you shouldn't have a problem.

Didn't realize you were involved! Which Ontario chapter do you admin? I co-admin the NL chapter.

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I hadn't heard that Health Canada released a statement also, but I just saw the response to it from the Eats on Feets founder: http://www.facebook.com/editprofile.php?sk=picture#!/note.php?note_id=463168889914&id=691995552

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"Amber_daisy" wrote:

Didn't realize you were involved! Which Ontario chapter do you admin? I co-admin the NL chapter.

That's awesome! I'm co-admin of the northern ontario group!

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ITA about profit being a huge reason for the statement.

I was unsuccessful with BF'ing both my boys, despite pumping, herbs, reglan, domperidone, visits to a LC, etc. I would have GLADLY taken donor milk if I knew someone who had it to give. Unfortunately, not many women here BF:-( Neither of my 2 tolerated regular formula, but thankfully both did okay with organic formula. No way could we afford banked milk. The $250/month for organic formula was bad enough, never mind the guilt...

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Has anyone seen this site? http://www.madhealth.net/risks-of-informal-breastmilk-sharing-versus-formula-feeding/ I'm not sure how "offical" or good of a source it is but it definately caught my attention. I have some 140 or so ounces saved up that i'm donating to a woman that I met online though the local company i bought some cloth diapers from. she's one that is using many donors to support her now 5 month old.

The risks of spontaneous divert sharing include:

* Possible delivery of HIV around breastmilk. However:
o According to the CDC:
+ The risk of HIV delivery from voiced breast divert used up by an additional kid is believed to be low because:
# In the United States, women who have been HIV sure as well as wakeful of which actuality have been referred to NOT to breastfeed their infants
# Chemicals benefaction in breast divert act, together with time as well as cold temperatures, to fall short the HIV benefaction in voiced breast milk
# Transmission of HIV from singular breast divert bearing has never been documented
o According to investigate from the University of California:
+ Babies which do not embrace any regulation have the most reduce possibility of constrictive HIV from infested breastmilk than those who have perceived the tiny formula.
+ Flash heating can be used to kill the HIV in breastmilk.

* Possible delivery of alternative intimately transmitted diseases:
o It is endorsed which women with syphilis as well as herpes do not helper (or feed divert pumped from) the breast which has sores upon the pap or areola.

* Prescription or over-the-counter drugs, ethanol or tobacco operate by the donor:
o Most drug have been minimally excreted in to breastmilk as well as most drug have been ideally protected to take whilst breastfeeding.
+ According to the Newman Breastfeeding Clinic as well as Institute “there have been copiousness of risks in not breastfeeding, so the subject radically boils down to: Does the further of the tiny volume of remedy to the mother’s divert have breastfeeding some-more dangerous than regulation feeding? The answer is almost never. Breastfeeding with the tiny drug in the divert is roughly regularly safer. In alternative words, being clever means continuing breastfeeding, not stopping.” This is echoed by Health Canada. There are positively the tiny drug which have been unsafe, yet in all women who have been receiving those drug would not be breastfeeding as well as thus not be in the place to be donating milk.
o Alcohol does pass in to the breastmilk, yet usually in really tiny amounts. A lady would have to be really dipsomaniac whilst breastfeeding/pumping in sequence for it to emanate the risk to the infant. Small amounts of ethanol whilst breastfeeding is fine.
o Mothers who fume have been speedy to give up during conceiving physically as well as breastfeeding. However, smoking as well as breastfeeding is still improved than smoking as well as regulation feeding.

* Possible decay of divert by crude storage or doing (similar to with formula, notwithstanding with the tiny opposite discipline to follow).

A lot of these risks can be significantly mitigated by screening the donor by interviews as well as red red red red blood tests. Eats upon Feets has the array of referred to questions for recipients of tellurian divert to assistance them shade intensity donors. Recipients can ask donors to take red red red red blood tests or alternative illness screenings.

The target relatives will have to confirm what they have been peaceful to accept as well as not peaceful to accept from the donor. Some might be peaceful to accept the donor who smokes, has the potion of booze with dinner, as well as takes an Advil each once in the while. Others might confirm which they have been not peaceful to accept that. Some relatives might confirm they have been usually peaceful to accept donors they know privately given being means to certitude the alternative chairman is critical to them, since others might be peaceful to accept divert from the foreigner if they have undergone sure screenings.