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Intro.

Hi ladies! I'm thrilled (and if I'm being honest, a bit nervous) to be joining you! I'll give you some history but first and foremost, I'm here b/c I would like to have a totally natural pregnancy, labor, and delivery with this baby.

With my first child, I was young (newly 19), I went into labor naturally but was given a epidural and pitocin at 2 cm, I never really got to feel what labor felt like. I was also given neubane and slept through my labor, I had to be told when to push. I felt robbed but it was my fault for not educating myself, I guess-- I didn't know the first thing about having a baby or what to expect b/c there was nobody to talk to about it. My dad had raised me, I didn't know many other pregnant 19 year olds, and I really didn't know any other moms that would talk to me about it (and surely none that had had a natural birth themselves). My son was born posterior and they had to use a vaccuum to get him out, which really bruised his head. But, I got a healthy baby out of it in the end and didn't think much of it.

With my DD, she too was delivered posterior, but with no assitance. I was induced with her at 40 weeks 4 days b/c they were "concerned with size". I had the hardest labor with her, I got a good taste of labor (little did I know that this was a good taste of an INDUCED labor) with her. At 6 cm, I got an epidural and very quickly dilated to 10, before the nurse had even left the room or the epi. had time to kick in, I felt her coming. I didn't know what it was at first but then instinct took over and I told her the baby was coming now, she didn't belive I had dilated 4 cm (why they didn't trust a mother in labor, I dunno...) until she looked down and saw Zoey crowning. Zoey was almost born before the doctor even got in the room. The epidural kicked in while I was pushing but hadn't wore off by the time she was here, I had to spend the rest of the night in bed and cathed b/c my legs were to numb to walk.

After that experience, I got involved with birth boards online and started reading about all these amazing natural births, and most of the hospital births sounded terrifying. From there, I started doing my own research and have decided that this is the route for me this time. I'm seeing a midwife and I have to say, I have an amazing relationship with her!!! My Obgyn was so cold and professional, I was just another customer to him. She is so warm and personable, I'm much more than just another patient to her, and so is my baby. You can tell she LOVES what she does! Smile She has assured me that all of that with my previous births could have been avoided with some simple techniques I could of done before and during labor and that my induced labor was so painful b/c it was just that, an induced labor.

I also am looking forward to breastfeeding this baby longer and exclusively. I quit breastfeeding my first and FF my second b/c of my job but I'm a SAHM mom now, so I'm blessed I can really give it my all. I'm also considering cloth diapering but still have a bit more research to do in this area.

I do have some questions though:
* For those that had a medicated birth with other children, do you feel differently about them after having a baby naturally? Maybe not as close? I've heard the bonding experience you have with a baby that was born naturally is sooo much more extreme than that of one born while you were medicated. I don't forsee something like this happening b/c we did breastfeed for awhile, co-slept, co-bathed, we did/do everything together and
are VERY close, but figured I'd ask since I don't know.

* Please tell me all you know about cloth diapers!!! Smile What is your fav. brand? Pricing. How do you wash them? Do you wash them everyday or once a week? If you wash everyday and have a large family to start with, do you feel like you are constantly doing laundry, lol? I hear they are good on controlling breastmilk poo leaks, is this true? Which are better at doing this? What are inserts? What are prefolds? How exactly do these things work, lol? What sizes are there? How many do I need in each size?

Thanks ladies!!! Smile

Allie01979's picture
Joined: 10/10/07
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Welcome to the boards, this board is a wealth of info and really gets you stoked for a natural birth, I love following the lodges and get total inspiration out of them too.

I had a natural start to my labour with my DS, I did it drug free for 6 of the 8 hours i was in labour, i caved and got the epi with only two hours to go, and later realized I was probably in transition and could have done without it. I really wanted to go as natural as possible with this one because of the after effects I had with the Epi.

I love cloth diapering and will be doing it again, I have a plethora of different brands and find different diapers are better for different situations, like nap vs awake time, infant vs. toddler. I really love prefolds for infants they're easy and cost very little to start. Check out the cloth diapering board on here, they have tons of info.

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Joined: 04/09/07
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Welcome, Becca! Glad to have you with us! Congrats on your pregnancy! Your screen name is familiar, what board do I know you from?

I hope this time you get to experience how wonderful birth can be with good care and support.

I have never used cloth diapers, but I can answer your question about bonding. My first baby was an induction/epidural birth and my second was spontaneous/unmedicated. I feel like I am equally close to both of them. If anything, I'm less attached to DS because I am less nervous as a mother than I was the first time around. Bonding in humans is more complex than the hormones and we have the congnitive abilities to choose to love our kids, which I believe can make up for any lack of hormones.

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Joined: 05/26/07
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you know me from the feb. '08 leapfrogs. Smile i watched "the business of being born" and got the impression that women were closer with children born in natural birth than in a medicated birth-- they said it had to do with the horomones. i'm glad to hear this is not the case!!! Smile

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"WonderWomanExtrodinare" wrote:

you know me from the feb. '08 leapfrogs. Smile

oh, yes, of course! I love that group of ladies. I should stop by there sometime and talk third birthday plans...I started looking at stuff yesterday and am getting excited for it!

i watched "the business of being born" and got the impression that women were closer with children born in natural birth than in a medicated birth-- they said it had to do with the horomones. i'm glad to hear this is not the case!!! Smile

ah, yes, Dr. Michel Odent and the "cocktail of love hormones." Odent is a bit weird, to be honest...he also believes that fathers don't belong in the birth room. The hormone rush after my natural birth was awesome, but I don't think its essential to have it to establish a loving relationship with your child.

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Welcome! And good for you for beginning to research natural birth!

I really do like the Business of Being Born, but I think that part about the love cocktail is a bit harsh. I do think there is a great importance of the hormones during labor and birth that can be greatly impacted by the drugs/interventions, but I've also known mother's who have given birth naturally and ended up being poor mothers.

As far as cloth diapers...definitely check out the CD board. It has a TON of info.

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I don't know if the hormones thing has anything to do with it, but I had pretty nasty PPD after births 1, 2, and 3 (1 and 2 had epis, 3 no epi but lots of narcotics) My homebirths, I have not had any PPD.

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i will admit, while both births were medicated, my birth with dd was induced and the bonding after was different. with ds, i nursed right after birth while i was getting stiched up, i just could have eaten him up, lol! everybody commented how when they'd come to visit, i'd watch them like hawks and couldn't wait to get him back in my arms, i just didn't want to be away from him for a second! there was just something more there-- maybe b/c he was my first??
with dd, her birth was tramatic, i was sick right after birth so i didn't want to hold her long for fear of puking on her. i was so shaky and weak as well, i honestly didn't have the strength to hold her for more than a minute. she kept screaming and i couldn't calm her down like when ds was born-- the second they handed him to me, he calmed down. she ended up quitting breathing, my little drama queen, and they whisked her off to try and get her calmed down. i think she was born into such a tramatic and crazy scene that it just played off of her, it was a shock to her, and she needed me but i couldn't be there for her. of-course, by the next day, we were right on track for bonding and i was back to the protective mother hen, lol. but that first night was hell and i really think her actual birth played a part in that.
my dream for this birth is to have just DH there, maybe my MIL, my midwife and doula and to just keep it as peaceful as it can be. i really want to learn some natural techniques to pain management right now. does anybody know some good sites i can start looking into?

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Welcome!

* For those that had a medicated birth with other children, do you feel differently about them after having a baby naturally? NO! Absolutely not. My first was induced due to fetal distress after my water broke spontaneously. I had an epi because induction hurts like heck. After almost 2 hours pushing I ended up with a vacuum delivery (he had his hand by his face and got "stuck"). He had the cord around his neck tiwce, tightly, and was not in good shape. He needed oxygen and I only got to hold him a moment (swaddled) before they took him to NICU for a few hours. I was pretty shocky and was surprisingly unconcerned about him. It wasn't until later that I realized how scary it should have been. I BFed him as soon as he was back with me (and for the next 13 months). I did feel a little detached at first, but I had 3rd degree tearing and was completely exhausted. I was almost kept in the hospital and extra day because I was more anemic than they wanted. And DH was a student, so he wasn't able to stay home with me the first few days while I recovered. But, as soon as DH was able to give me a hand so I could get some energy back everything was fine.

DS2 was a completely natural, easy labor. I did feel more immediate bonding, but it helped that I wasn't half asleep and about to faint when he was born. I also had DH home with me for the first week, so I was able to get rest and felt much better over all.

Now I adore both of them, they both love Mommy, and I have no complaints about our bonding. I do really hope this birth goes like my second, but mostly because the first was so scary. I know I'll bond with the baby no matter what happens during birth and the first few days.
In short, yes, the birth with my first affected bonding for a little bit, but I don't think it was the epidural. It may have been the pitocin, but my experience was unique in that they turned it off after I had been on it for a couple hours because my body was over-reacting, so I had it for less than half of my labor. I think it was the length of time pushing, not having eaten for too long, the nasty tearing, and having the baby taken away right after. Especially having the baby taken away right away. I think I would have been in worse shape without the epi because I would have been even more exhausted.

* Please tell me all you know about cloth diapers!!! I like Kawaiis. http://www.theluvyourbaby.com/ They are pocket one size diapers, so you adjust them as baby grows. They work great on my 32lb 17 month old and fit my 41lb 3 year old, too. (I have big, tall boys). I haven't tested them on a little baby. They're okay with containing poops. The best I've tried for those BFed poops are gdiapers. I use them with a cloth insert (like a microfiber towel wrapped in polar fleece) and they were amazing at containing DS2's BF poops. But, they do tend to leak pee more than the Kawaiis and their large size no longer fits either of my kids.

Good luck!

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"WonderWomanExtrodinare" wrote:

my dream for this birth is to have just DH there, maybe my MIL, my midwife and doula and to just keep it as peaceful as it can be. i really want to learn some natural techniques to pain management right now. does anybody know some good sites i can start looking into?

http://www.birthingnaturally.net/cnhome.html this site has some good basics

I love the Hypnobabies method (www.hypnobabies.com) and I am getting certified to teach it because I believe it has the most to offer. Their homestudy course is awesome.

There are lots of great books available. It kind of just depends on what you're looking for. Some of my favorites for pain management techniques are Birthing from Withing by Pam England, Ina May's Guide to Childbirth by Ina May Gaskin, Active Birth by Janet Balaskas, and Better Birth: The Ultimate Guide to Childbirth from Homebirths to Hospitals by Denise Spatafora.

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Welcome to you and as for advice I will just 2nd Brittany again. We are both going to be hypnobabies instructors. LOL I love the books she posted and Birthing Naturally is one of my favorites sites. One of the contributors to that site was my doula trainer. Smile

As for diapers I run a small diaper shop. The link is in my siggy.

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I had an epidural with my first and had nubain 15 minutes before my second was born (was checked 15 minutes before that and I was a 6, so went from 6 to birth in less than half an hour) and then had no pain meds with my son. I did have pitocin with him, he was my only pitocin birth and if I'm being completely honest I did not find his birth more painful than my non-pitocin births. I think I had a low dose due to the fact that I was already contracting regularly when they gave it. The only one I had issues bonding with was DD1 and I really doubt it was the epidural that caused it so much as her being my first, being early, me having severe PPD, and breastfeeding issues.
Cloth, I do laundry everyday, I wash diapers every 2-3 days, it just depends on how many diapers you have. I think I've decided the only diapers I'll be adding to my stash are the Kawaii, you can't beat that price and I've heard good things. For the newborn stage (since they can't fit into one size diapers right away) I use homemade fitteds (super cheap and easy to make yourself and there are free patterns online) and I love the Thirsties DuoWraps (in size 1 of course, with velcro) they fit my DS from the time we started cloth and he was 6lbs even when we started.

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i ended up odering 15 of the kawaii CDs with about 30 extra inserts. i plan on making wipes, wipes spray, and liners. i'll wash everyday (i do anyway) and i also got some good CD detergent, i believe it's called rocking green? it had great ratings on kellyscloset.com. I got a large and small wet bag as well. I think i'll be ready to start! love thinking of all the money we are going to save! this will be the cheapest baby we've had, lol. cloth diapered, breastfed, no huge hospital bill b/c i'm going natural, we already shop second hand for clothes (i love once upon a child!!)... Smile

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Welcome!

"WonderWomanExtrodinare" wrote:

I do have some questions though:
* For those that had a medicated birth with other children, do you feel differently about them after having a baby naturally? Maybe not as close? I've heard the bonding experience you have with a baby that was born naturally is sooo much more extreme than that of one born while you were medicated. I don't forsee something like this happening b/c we did breastfeed for awhile, co-slept, co-bathed, we did/do everything together and
are VERY close, but figured I'd ask since I don't know.

I don't have anything to compare it too but I found I bonded well and had no trouble breastfeeding. The major difference I think you will find though is the way YOU will feel. the recovery is a breeze (which in turn gives you more of a chance to bond)

"WonderWomanExtrodinare" wrote:

* Please tell me all you know about cloth diapers!!! Smile What is your fav. brand? Pricing. How do you wash them? Do you wash them everyday or once a week? If you wash everyday and have a large family to start with, do you feel like you are constantly doing laundry, lol? I hear they are good on controlling breastmilk poo leaks, is this true? Which are better at doing this? What are inserts? What are prefolds? How exactly do these things work, lol? What sizes are there? How many do I need in each size?

I cloth diaper, we use Bum genius. I also have other kinds but I don't like them as much. I went the BG route because of the ease of use. DH was only on board if there was no pinning and multiple layers. I find they are easy to wash and the rotation I have will last 2 kids! They are a big investment at first ($20 - $25/diaper) but it is a savings in the long run. If you are in the US, I know you can get them signifcantly cheaper than I can get them in Canada. GL!

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welcome! I remember you from the Feb 08 board (I am a slacker and don't stop in there anymore :oops:)

I only had one birth so far (natural hospital birth with OB) so I can't compare for ya.

As for cloth dipes... we used them with DS from the time he fit in smalls. We used almost entirely pocket diapers. Smalls we had almost all fuzzi bunz, some green acre designs. Then he moved into mediums (fuzzi bunz, green acre designs, pocket change) and one sizes (bum genius, happy heiney's and one baby kanga). I would say our faves for the mediums/OS were the bum genius one sizes and the medium long green acre designs. Medium fuzzi bunz we used almost entirely for night time b/c they were somewhat bulkier and could fit more inserts for night time.

For this baby, we got some newborn stuff, since DS was skinny and took a while to grow into the smalls. I have mostly prefolds, fitteds (mostly kissaluvs and some random WAHM made ones I got from diaper swappers) and covers (a variety of brands, styles)

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Just wanted to welcome you to this board! Smile