One doctor's nightmare policies on her website

40 posts / 0 new
Last post
MrsMangoBabe's picture
Joined: 04/09/07
Posts: 2276
One doctor's nightmare policies on her website

This is scary stuff. Talk about highly medical attitudes about birth, lack of informed consent, and "daylight obstetrics" yikes!

http://www.drbasinski.com/obstetrics/induction.html

(thanks to www.enjoybirth.com/blog for originally posting this)

Winky_the_HouseElf's picture
Joined: 02/10/02
Posts: 292

"MrsMangoBabe" wrote:

This is scary stuff. Talk about highly medical attitudes about birth, lack of informed consent, and "daylight obstetrics" yikes!

http://www.drbasinski.com/obstetrics/induction.html

(thanks to www.enjoybirth.com/blog for originally posting this)

:eek: Incredibe! Pitocin contractions don't feel any different or increase the risk of c-section? Most women who go into labor need pitoun anyway? What ridiculous statements! :angry1:

Joined: 07/14/07
Posts: 382

???

Procedure:
[LIST=1]

  • Arrive at The Women’s Hospital or St. Mary's Hospital at 5:00 am on the day of your delivery.

  • Pitocin will be started thru the IV.

  • Between 7:30 and 8:30am, I will arrive to rupture your water.
  • Delivery usually occurs prior to 5:00pm on the day of delivery.
  • boilermaker's picture
    Joined: 08/21/02
    Posts: 1984

    Yeah-- I couldn't resist. I had to respond to her directly and sent her an email.

    I can't stand to read stuff like that-- especially when she graduated from the same university as me. Giving Boilermakers a bad name. Oy!

    Here is what I sent her-- I had so much more to say, but kept it short.....

    Dear Dr. Basinski,

    I recently came across your website and am just horrified at the information that you are providing to women and prospective patients about induction.

    Data suggests that induction alone nearly doubles a woman's risk of a c-section. Induction for "convenience" or discomfort actually go against ACOG's recommendations.

    I see you've had three children, congratulations! However, telling women that contractions from pitocin vs. natural contractions are no different from one another is a bold faced lie-- anyone who has experienced both can attest to that fact (myself included!) And the fact that you rupture membranes so early in the process leaves women no choice but to deliver (via csection)if their body doesn't respond well to pitocin induction.

    I hope you will reconsider some of your practices and familiarize yourself with the benefits of natural birth and delivery. Your patients will thank you. At the very least, please begin practicing evidence based medicine and begin following ACOG guidelines.

    Sincerely,

    Audra *******
    A fellow Boilermaker
    *******, CO

    LMCH's picture
    Joined: 02/05/07
    Posts: 2031

    Many patients will opt to have an induction of labor for the following reasons: discomfort at the end of pregnancy, a desire to have family present, a desire to have me present at the delivery, or concerns about planning ahead for childcare or work responsibilities.

    wow, just wow... and this is just the beginning. Who isn't uncomfortable at the end of pregnancy? Convenience over safety for you and your baby...good thinkin' :roll:

    eta: and the fact that she uses cytotec for induction rather than cervadil....

    Melychang's picture
    Joined: 05/31/06
    Posts: 796

    I couldn't finish it. I was just disgusted, what lies! I can not believe that this is a woman who has had children and is educated!

    kridda_88's picture
    Joined: 01/28/08
    Posts: 1798

    BS!!!!! I have had both and the pitocin contractions are 10 times worse than natural labor contractions! My natural transition contractions didn't even come close to my pitocin contractions from the beginning.

    I can't believe any woman would believe the BS this doctor is dishing out! I hate most OB's, and their lies!!!!! Grrrr. Everything that she stated on her website is a lie. She doesn't deserve to be part of the most wonderful event a woman will have. So glad she isn't in my state! I would probably go straight over to her office and speak my mind to her! Piss me off so bad!!!

    Man how I wish my insurance would pay for a home birth so I wouldn't even have to have any sort of possible contact with any OB unless absolutely necessary.

    jooniper's picture
    Joined: 08/27/07
    Posts: 780

    Most first time moms will deliver between 2:00 and 5:00 pm on the day of delivery.

    ... because if they don't do it vaginally, we cut them open. Voila, done by 5!

    Induction of labor does not cause any more or less pain than natural labor. Induction of labor will produce contractions that are no different from the contractions produced during spontaneous labor. Both contractions are a result of Pitocin either produced by the body or given by IV.

    Funny, I didn't think my body MADE pitocin. Nor did I know that we were SO good at synthesizing human hormones that they were interchangeable.
    If that's the case, I wonder why the FDA disallows the use of pitocin for elective inductions?

    I also like her use of the words "traditionally", "most studies"... she knows she can't guarantee or back up her data. Bleh.

    LMCH's picture
    Joined: 02/05/07
    Posts: 2031

    i like how this "procedure" makes it so the doc has a typical 8-5 type day. She comes to break their water 7:30-8 and baby is born by 2-5 pm....ack

    TiggersMommy's picture
    Joined: 02/14/10
    Posts: 6043

    I'm trying to ignore horrific birth scenarios, so I didn't click the link. Just judging by everyone's comments I can just imagine what her website says. I can't believe she's so open about her policies and she still gets business!

    Way to go Audra! Please let us know if she responds!

    Illiana's picture
    Joined: 09/29/05
    Posts: 338

    wow... just wow..

    Mom2ThreeKiddos's picture
    Joined: 09/15/09
    Posts: 1380

    The cytotec comment makes me want to cry. Sad I can't believe she is practicing medicine.

    Amber_daisy's picture
    Joined: 10/17/06
    Posts: 567

    How has she not had her license to practice rescinded? I just don't understand it!!!

    kvo
    kvo's picture
    Joined: 12/18/06
    Posts: 902

    "Induction of labor does not cause any more or less pain than natural labor. Induction of labor will produce contractions that are no different from the contractions produced during spontaneous labor."

    :WTF:

    Yeah......the two are nothing alike. My natural labor was completely manageble and nearly 3 times a long. I was induced with just one dose of cytotec and could not move b/c of the intense pain.

    BuckeyeK's picture
    Joined: 10/23/06
    Posts: 3087

    Wow, I can't believe that she is allowed to practice. I feel so badly for her patients.

    SLC42's picture
    Joined: 03/18/10
    Posts: 39

    The sad thing is there are women out there who will read that and figure that it must be fine because a Dr. is doing it.

    I get frustrated with our sue happy society, but she needs to be slapped with several malpractice suits.

    I can't believe that she has those policies out there like that and no regulatory group has come down on her.

    She's a disgrace to everything she's suppose to stand for.

    ETA: did you notice she has a Facebook page?

    Joined: 08/22/06
    Posts: 621

    Wow. This seriously makes me want to cry. This is the neighboring town to my husband's hometown. My SIL just moved from there after living there for many years.

    Unbelievable. I cannot believe the FIRST statement tells how many women want an induction b/c they are tired of being pregnant.

    cindyanns's picture
    Joined: 02/20/10
    Posts: 775

    Wow. Just wow.

    cindyanns's picture
    Joined: 02/20/10
    Posts: 775

    "Illiana" wrote:

    wow... just wow..

    LOL

    I totally made my comment before reading the rest of the responses and see you said the exact same thing.

    Chimmy's picture
    Joined: 08/03/01
    Posts: 2776

    I don't have the words. It's maddening to read such blatant lies & arrogance coming from someone who should know better. It's disgusting & makes me so sad for those who fall into the trap. Reading things like this push me even harder to not only increase my involvement with my doula work but to also become a CBE w/ one day hoping to be a homebirth midwife.

    SaucyVidel's picture
    Joined: 07/20/06
    Posts: 634

    Audra, you're my hero. Her page makes me sick, it is loaded with half truths and outright lies, and it is her type of policies that are the reason so many women don't understand why natural childbirth is healthier and safer for all parties involved.

    It makes me furious that she can peddle those statements when they run directly contrary to ACOG data and recommendations.

    marymoonu's picture
    Joined: 03/15/08
    Posts: 2183

    I love the part where delivery usually occurs before 5pm... Just in time for doc to get home for dinner. :rolleyes:

    Winky_the_HouseElf's picture
    Joined: 02/10/02
    Posts: 292

    "marymoonu" wrote:

    I love the part where delivery usually occurs before 5pm... Just in time for doc to get home for dinner. :rolleyes:

    Well, I'm sure c-sections are just as easy as a vaginal birth, so if there's no baby by 4 she'll just cut you open. No big deal at all. And obviously ceasearns don't pose any increased risks to mom or baby and it will be great for the mom to be able to schedule her elective cesarean with her next baby (because no one ever experiences secondary infertility after a c-section). :rolleyes:

    MommyJannah's picture
    Joined: 08/25/08
    Posts: 109

    "Winky_the_HouseElf" wrote:

    Well, I'm sure c-sections are just as easy as a vaginal birth, so if there's no baby by 4 she'll just cut you open. No big deal at all.

    I felt Obstetrics and Gynecology gave me the opportunity to combine my joy of operating and caring for women.

    It's not, see! She gets to combine her joy of surgery AND delivering babies! Here by 5, or it's free!

    DunyaWolf's picture
    Joined: 07/25/08
    Posts: 223

    If you are a first time Mom, achieving a delivery whether through natural or induction methods takes a longer time. Therefore, I have all first time Mothers arrive at the hospital the night before your delivery day to ready your cervix for labor.

    Wait, so... does this mean that you get cytotec no matter what? Or only if you are choosing to "be induced"? Either way, this woman seems like a quack and I most definitely wouldn't go to her.

    marymoonu's picture
    Joined: 03/15/08
    Posts: 2183

    "DunyaWolf" wrote:

    If you are a first time Mom, achieving a delivery whether through natural or induction methods takes a longer time. Therefore, I have all first time Mothers arrive at the hospital the night before your delivery day to ready your cervix for labor.

    Wait, so... does this mean that you get cytotec no matter what? Or only if you are choosing to "be induced"?

    The whole page seems to be geared at women who choose to be induced... If you read the very top. It seems to be geared at those who elect for induction. I would hope she doesn't induce all FTM's just because they're FTM's... :eek:

    DunyaWolf's picture
    Joined: 07/25/08
    Posts: 223

    Ok you're right, that does make more sense... though still. An induction-happy doctor would make me run the other way. That's just ridiculous.

    MrsMangoBabe's picture
    Joined: 04/09/07
    Posts: 2276

    "Chimmy" wrote:

    I don't have the words. It's maddening to read such blatant lies & arrogance coming from someone who should know better. It's disgusting & makes me so sad for those who fall into the trap. Reading things like this push me even harder to not only increase my involvement with my doula work but to also become a CBE w/ one day hoping to be a homebirth midwife.

    haven't seen you in a while, Chimmy! Have you finished your doula certification yet? Are you still planning on doing the Hypnobabies training? If so, have you interviewed?

    Jessica--this page on the doctor's site is about induction, so hopefully she means first time moms being induced follow that procedure, but I wouldn't be surprised if she induces almost all first time moms, since she is basically encouraging everyone to schedule their induction at 39 weeks, and statistically, not very many FTMs experience spontaneous labor before 39 weeks.

    Chimmy's picture
    Joined: 08/03/01
    Posts: 2776

    Hey! I read a lot but haven't had time to post much these days. I'm working nights & keeping busy with births, plus my own kids lol I've not finished the CBI program just yet, but getting there Smile Yes, I do still plan on doing the Hypnobabies training, but no, no interview yet. How are things going with you? Are you enjoying the CBI course? And how 'bout Hypnobabies? I still think it would be fun if we ended up at the training at the same time.

    MrsMangoBabe's picture
    Joined: 04/09/07
    Posts: 2276

    I am making progress on CBI. I've read the manuals for Communication and Birth Doula Skills and am a few chapters in on Phsiology of Birth. I think my first draft of the communication paper is ready to be submitted. I bought Taking Charge of Your Fertility to read for one of the book reviews. And the library system has one of the Midwife tales type of books, so I'm probably going to check that out. I have corresponded with a few potential clients for certifying births, but no commitments yet.

    I had my Hypnobabies interview the first week they were doing them and found out I was accepted the following week. They had to get more registration codes because they ran out and once I got it I tried to register and there was a glitch in the system so that payments weren't going through, so then I had to register again, but I'm now registered and I've paid the deposit and ordered the Intro to Hypnosis course.

    Right now the only trainings they have scheduled are St. Louis and Cypress, CA. I'm registered for Cypress since it's closer to me and it would be fun to go to California.

    Chimmy's picture
    Joined: 08/03/01
    Posts: 2776

    It sounds like things are going really well for you, that's so exciting!! I really like the CBI course, they have a good program. I also really like Hypnobabies & I think it's so cool that your persuing that as well :thumbsup:

    ferz100's picture
    Joined: 07/19/10
    Posts: 32

    I love how she boasts that her c section rate is below the national average of 25%, as if that is such a great number when the WHO has found that optimal outcomes arise when c section rates are 5-10% and anything above 15% causes increased maternal deaths.
    So basically she is allowing increased unnecessary maternal deaths for women under her care, and is bragging about it!

    MrsMangoBabe's picture
    Joined: 04/09/07
    Posts: 2276

    "ferz100" wrote:

    I love how she boasts that her c section rate is below the national average of 25%, as if that is such a great number when the WHO has found that optimal outcomes arise when c section rates are 5-10% and anything above 15% causes increased maternal deaths.
    So basically she is allowing increased unnecessary maternal deaths for women under her care, and is bragging about it!

    not to mention that the current U.S. c/section rate is now something like 32%...how old is the information she's going on? And if she's not keeping up with that statistic, what else is she not keeping up with?

    Joined: 09/08/10
    Posts: 1

    Is she kidding? Pitocin contractions are FAR WORSE than normal contractions. The pain I felt from my overdose of Pit nearly killed me. I have never screamed that loud in my life. The pain was worse than anything I have ever felt.

    What an idiot. I have no respect for that type of practitioner.

    MrsMangoBabe's picture
    Joined: 04/09/07
    Posts: 2276

    I agree that pitocin and spontaneous labors are totally different.

    The rumor on the Unnecessarean's facebook page is that she no longer attends births, but the page is still live for some reason. You can't find it from the homepage, only from searching or direct link. If that's true, I'm glad. I'm sure she's not the only OB in the country with those philosophies and attitudes, though.

    Jules's picture
    Joined: 10/03/01
    Posts: 797

    Soooooo, I've been thinking of writing an article on induction. You guys want to collaborate with me?

    Some of you know me; others may not. Just a little background. I'm mom to six. All have been natural births (the induction med-free other than inducing); two home-births and one induction at 40+ weeks because I couldn't keep my blood pressure under control, even with bedrest.

    The induction was in a small rural hospital and quite well managed. no cytotec, low levels of pitocin and when it kicked in and contractions were established it was reduced and then stopped. Robin was born about 27 hours after the induction began.

    Anyway, what I'm thinking of for an article is:
    Title: Why You Don't Want an Elective Induction, or Why You Don't Want to Be Induced,
    or something like that

    Basic Layout:

    • What's involved
    • Risks associated with induction
    • When you should consider induction
    • Tips to choosing a provider who will support your decision
    • Lifestyle choices to help avoid induction

    Then add a picture or two of a birthing scene that is NOT traumatic. What do you think?
    j

    MrsMangoBabe's picture
    Joined: 04/09/07
    Posts: 2276

    sounds like a great article, Jules! I think a lot of women have no idea about the risks of induction and assume it is just like spontaneous labor and is safe as long as the pregnancy is term.

    my suggestion for a title is "Why you may want to think twice before scheduling an induction"

    I've actually been working on a blog post made up of a list of links (from research as well as midwife blog posts) to information about various reasons given for inducion (big baby, low fluid, water breaks and no contractions, etc.)

    Joined: 03/16/15
    Posts: 53852

    OMG Is she for real?

    Thats what popped up in my mind as I'm reading her page...

    And delivery by 5pm? If it wasn't so horrible I MIGHT have laughed at that.... Notice she doesn't specify what kind of delivery will be and I HIGHLY doubt she has a below 25% c/s rate...I smell the BS from a mile away on that one!

    I am saddened to think that there are women who will read all of this and think how great and easy and NTM safe she is making her methods out to be....scary scary!:eek:

    Jules's picture
    Joined: 10/03/01
    Posts: 797

    Brittany, I'll be checking your blog later today.

    Another good blog I read this morning: http://www.facebook.com/pregnancyorg -- it's the "Cesarean Mothers with No Options" feature. Frustrating situation and one that so many face!

    MrsMangoBabe's picture
    Joined: 04/09/07
    Posts: 2276

    "Jules" wrote:

    Brittany, I'll be checking your blog later today.

    My induction post is not up yet. It will probably be ready to post Thursday.

    Another good blog I read this morning: http://www.facebook.com /pregnancyorg -- it's the "Cesarean Mothers with No Options" feature. Frustrating situation and one that so many face!

    That was a good post. It relates to my own recent blog post about choices (the "Why Natural Birth is Not Important" one)