Study linking autism to vaccines a fraud!

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Study linking autism to vaccines a fraud!

Have you ladies seen this?

All 12 participants had their medical histories altered or misrepresented. Here's an article:

Vaccine study claiming link to autism denounced as fraud

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Yeah someone posted this on my birth month bb just a bit ago! I was shocked to be honest, because I know a lot of parents who jumped on the paranoia wagon because of this! Here's what I posted over there:

I am a big fan of immunizations, and have done quite a bit of research on it. I believe that parents should ALWAYS investigate what we are told about our children, to blindly accept it just because the governments say so is plain silly if you ask me. The major uproar about these shots is the use of a chemical 'Thimerosal' to keep the injections stable over time and to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi in vaccines.

Canada does NOT use Thimerosal in any of their vaccines. So that sort of takes the wind out of any nay sayer's sails. There are more than a few in the states that do, and not having a centralized government operated health system the states has so many suppliers its very hard to tell where your vaccines come from and what they have in them. Up here, by grace of government healthcare, we all get the same vaccines from east to west coast made by the same people in the same way! YAY for something good! The information you can look up on thimerosal is pretty extensive, it is a mercury based chemical, and thought across the board to be very safe by all accounts. It just so happens the Canadian Health system decided not to go that route so *shrug* who knows.

I'll be taking JJ for her booster shots in April, and going again with new little one when its his turn. Long run, most schools in Canada demand a full vaccine schedule and proof before your even allowed to enroll so I'm not putting up with that headache.

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I was so happy to here this report on the news this morning! I admit I was worried getting my DD vaccinated but the benefits outweighed the risks in my mind and now I am even more thankful we did decide to get her MMR!

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I personally don't like the idea of our goverment forcing anything on my children. And the idea of the government controlling everything in terms of healthcare actually is not something I actually agree with. Our government has been touting the safety of vaccines from the get go. It was the media and mom's who have been putting out the vaccine warnings about autism. People should do their reasearch and make informed choices about what to give and what not to give to their children. They can ask their care provider to provide thermisol free vaccines to their kids if that is what they want to do. No government needed in that. The way the US constiution is written the power of the federal government is limited on purpose and most of the laws are supposed to be reserved for the states. Wink

As for my opnion of vaccines I am unsure. I do know that there are very very real vaccine incidents that occur and do result in death. And I don't agree with giving a tiny baby a Hep B vaccine just because... when the mother is not a carrier and they won't be in contact with anyone who has it. I am more for delayed vaxing than I am for no vaxing as I think the schedule is too agressive and can overload the system of children that young.

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Just because one study was done incorrectly doesn’t mean that there is no validity to the thoughts behind it. I will still continue to be cautious with vaccines and keep my kids on a delayed schedule. Here is a link to the Autism site talking about Thimerosal, it can still be found in vaccines in the United States. The comparison of mercury poisoning and autism is definitely something to think about. http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php

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"Mom2ThreeKiddos" wrote:

I personally don't like the idea of our goverment forcing anything on my children. And the idea of the government controlling everything in terms of healthcare actually is not something I actually agree with. Our government has been touting the safety of vaccines from the get go. It was the media and mom's who have been putting out the vaccine warnings about autism. People should do their reasearch and make informed choices about what to give and what not to give to their children. They can ask their care provider to provide thermisol free vaccines to their kids if that is what they want to do. No government needed in that. The way the US constiution is written the power of the federal government is limited on purpose and most of the laws are supposed to be reserved for the states. Wink

As for my opnion of vaccines I am unsure. I do know that there are very very real vaccine incidents that occur and do result in death. And I don't agree with giving a tiny baby a Hep B vaccine just because... when the mother is not a carrier and they won't be in contact with anyone who has it. I am more for delayed vaxing than I am for no vaxing as I think the schedule is too agressive and can overload the system of children that young.

I often find discussions on healthcare with Americans to be quite difficult because of the vast differences in our governmental systems. I can totally see given what I know of the system in the USA how you would not want intervention on the part of your governments. In Canada it is less intervention and more standardization based on the needs of the communities. Everything from how we elect people to power in our country to how decisions on medical procedure are made is so vastly and significantly different from the USA that the two ultimately could never be compared nor duplicated.

For my own clarification, we don't just sit back and let our governments decide what is best for us, everyone has an active say in the policies made by our healthcare system. As such things like Midwifery, homebirth and positive advancements in avoiding the C-section have become the norm across Canada and there is no where in our country where it is "illegal" to have a child outside of a hospital. These advancements were made because our citizens used our standardized system to make the changes we needed of our healthcare organization.

Vaccines are an 'unknown' I can't tell you how many mothers I have seen say its ok to drink while pregnant, take drugs for morning sickness, smoke, take cold medications and other over the counter and prescription drugs... (all things we KNOW have a chance to really screw up your children) and yet a vaccine that will prevent a truly horrendous disease is evil! (mostly because of all those 'unknowns') That being said I'm a firm supporter of choice, and I would not suggest forcing anyone to do anything against their will. Our government highly recommended vaccinations but they are not "required by law" most schools however have fairly strict vaccine protocols in place for students. And of course anyone can simply choose not to send their child to -that- school! We are also not charged for any vaccinations EVER, so clearly this has nothing to do with anyone making money.

Heb B shots are a topic even among mothers such as myself that fully support vaccines. I can see how its a daunting idea that your perfect newborn baby could ever be susceptible to Hep B! But there are many things people ought to keep in mind, Heb B can be transmitted through blood transfusions, open wounds, sex, needles, pregnancy etc... and just because your totally faithful and a loving mother and wife, I can tell you from experience that cheating happens and all your perfect world can be knocked down quickly. More over your developing a possible (not 100%) resistance to the virus in the future, so while your perfect newborn baby won't be out doing the nasty with lord only knows who... that child will grow up and if we're honest with ourselves they WILL experiment with sex and likely in a way that we've definitely taught them NOT to do! It's a toss up, I totally understand that, and if I lived in a perfect world where I knew everyone was perfect and never screwed up I'd probably not worry either... But I'm a realist, and I'd rather give the chance at protection from stupidity later than nothing at all.

All that and I'm one of the rare people who never attained a resistance to German Measles. I've had the shot half a zillion times and nothing. So I know full well they aren't 100% still better than 0. In short, these are just MY opinions and I would never say someone is "dead wrong" or say that they're going to end up hurting their kids... because we just don't know. Every parent has to make their own educated choices, and when that child grows up they can choose to have themselves vaccinated if they wish. I'm more angry about the people like those who ran this study that wanted an outcome because its what they believed and used fear and lies to get it! That's just wrong... as is jumping on any wagon for or against without knowing WHY you stand there. All the power to educated moms that choose not to vaccinate, as well as those like me who choose to go ahead, at least we're doing it eyes open, heads up and for the reasons we feel are right... not out of fear of unknown and fear-mongers like those who ran this study.

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I think I remember hearing that the autism/MMR study was retracted back around the time DS was born. I believe in vacination, but I think they may be better ways to schedule the shots than what is currently recommended...I especially disagree with rountinely vacinating newborns agaisnt Hep B--DS just got his first Hep B at his 9 month visit. DD still hasn't been vacinated for chickenpox, and I haven't decided if I am going to give that one to her or not. I also will most definitely not be giving her Gardasil!

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"MrsMangoBabe" wrote:

I think I remember hearing that the autism/MMR study was retracted back around the time DS was born. I believe in vacination, but I think they may be better ways to schedule the shots than what is currently recommended...I especially disagree with rountinely vacinating newborns agaisnt Hep B--DS just got his first Hep B at his 9 month visit. DD still hasn't been vacinated for chickenpox, and I haven't decided if I am going to give that one to her or not. I also will most definitely not be giving her Gardasil!

This. I had an AWFUL reaction to the last booster I got a couple years ago, and I'm terrified my kids will react similarly, but be too small to tell me what's going on or that they're in trouble. I'm delaying vaccines, and eliminating unnecessary ones like the chicken pox and gardasil. I never really had strong feelings about the autism link idea; for me, I'm just nervous about putting ANY chemical agent in my/my kid's bodies.

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I'm pro vaccine but I don't feel like kids should get as many shots pumped into them at a time like they are now. We try to limit it to 1 vaccine at a time. We didn't do the hep b at birth because I just didn't want to start it yet, we'll do it after he gets the more important vaccines. The autism thing really has never had anything to do with my decision though it was always in the back of my mind.
It's all about weighing the risks/benefits. I don't think holding off a little bit longer is going to make a huge difference especially for things that they aren't likely to catch and aren't extremely dangerous if caught.

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I've never believed that there is something in a vaccine that causes autism either. I work with children with ASD and this study should never have made it to publication.

That being said, I don't believe that all vaccines are safe for all people, I believe there is definitely a chance that someone will have a severe reaction up to and including death from a vaccine. The CDC tracks the adverse reactions, so that isn't even up for discussion.

I believe that there are way too many vaccines on the schedule now, and that a lot of doctors don't allow parents to make an informed choice. My state happens to be an all or nothing state - you can't do a selective schedule, which I believe leads to people opting to not vax at all rather than give all the vaccines, which seems counter productive IMO. I also think that both sides use a lot of scare tactics to try to get their point across and it's hard for a lot of people to find the truth and make their own decisions.

Right now we have decided to delay vax for the time being, but I am not sure what we will do in the future - living where we do makes it hard to do the selective schedule I thought would be better for us.

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hmmmm one study not done correctly....still doesn't convince me to throw it all out. My children are not vaccinated. I have one confirmed with autism and one they suspect has autism. I've been told more than once by a VERY intelligent developmental pedi that had we vaccinated....they would have been severely autistic. She's seen it happen over and over. I have no doubt people lie....but I also don't trust that there's not a link and I for one don't want to risk it.

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"MrsMangoBabe" wrote:

I think I remember hearing that the autism/MMR study was retracted back around the time DS was born. I believe in vacination, but I think they may be better ways to schedule the shots than what is currently recommended...I especially disagree with rountinely vacinating newborns agaisnt Hep B--DS just got his first Hep B at his 9 month visit. DD still hasn't been vacinated for chickenpox, and I haven't decided if I am going to give that one to her or not. I also will most definitely not be giving her Gardasil!

I totally 100% agree. Smile

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"emommyof2" wrote:

I often find discussions on healthcare with Americans to be quite difficult because of the vast differences in our governmental systems. I can totally see given what I know of the system in the USA how you would not want intervention on the part of your governments. In Canada it is less intervention and more standardization based on the needs of the communities. Everything from how we elect people to power in our country to how decisions on medical procedure are made is so vastly and significantly different from the USA that the two ultimately could never be compared nor duplicated.

To the bolded, that is very true. I am not saying that everything in the US is perfect because it isn't. Healthcare here is way too high and litigation driven which is very annoying. And for our part our government seems to like to stick it's nose into our decisions because "us little people" aren't informed or smart enough to decide for ourselves and that drives me nuts. We have a new law that should go in front of the IL legislator today actually that would legalized certified professional midwifes to perform homebirths here in IL. Right now only and OB or a CNM can do so. For being a "free" country we not not very free at all. I am very libertarian minded and quite outspoken so feel free to ignore me. Smile

For my own clarification, we don't just sit back and let our governments decide what is best for us, everyone has an active say in the policies made by our healthcare system. As such things like Midwifery, homebirth and positive advancements in avoiding the C-section have become the norm across Canada and there is no where in our country where it is "illegal" to have a child outside of a hospital. These advancements were made because our citizens used our standardized system to make the changes we needed of our healthcare organization.

I wish that was true here in the US. Sad

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I'm not pro nor anti vaccine, but it does bother me that it seems a lot of parents spend more time and research on what kind of car they are going to buy and no time at all researching & studying vaccines & other equally important health decision for their child(ren).

We vaccinate but not until they are older, and I am selective in what I choose. Vaccines have done a lot of good & saved a lot of lives, but as with anything there is also the side where children have been killed or injured because of them. I get tired of the comment "well those reactions are a lot less" Baloney. I don't think they are. My oldest had a terrible reaction to his 12 month vaccines - the UK seems to regulate theirs closer than the US which is a pitty, this experience is also what woke me up & made me take the time to study & research the entire topic. It's vast & often overwhelming, but an important one to undertake.

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"Chimmy" wrote:

I'm not pro nor anti vaccine, but it does bother me that it seems a lot of parents spend more time and research on what kind of car they are going to buy and no time at all researching & studying vaccines & other equally important health decision for their child(ren).

We vaccinate but not until they are older, and I am selective in what I choose. Vaccines have done a lot of good & saved a lot of lives, but as with anything there is also the side where children have been killed or injured because of them. I get tired of the comment "well those reactions are a lot less" Baloney. I don't think they are. My oldest had a terrible reaction to his 12 month vaccines - the UK seems to regulate theirs closer than the US which is a pitty, this experience is also what woke me up & made me take the time to study & research the entire topic. It's vast & often overwhelming, but an important one to undertake.

I couldn't agree more Chimmy! It bothers me as well that people don't research. OR that instead of researching I get crabbed at and told "well MY doctor said and I TRUST my doctor" LOL. Every parent has to make the decision for themselves. I'm sensitive to the topic because I HAVE children with Autism and my life has been changed forever. Granted, vaccines did not trigger the autism my children have, I'm grateful we made the decision we did and didn't find out if they would have been severely affected by vaccinating. I had considered some vaccines but for moral reasons decided against them (vaccines made with aborted fetus' for example) so for me, I need to track down the chicken pox for the children to experience while little instead of asking the doc to fix it for us Blum 3

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"batgirlandrobin" wrote:

I need to track down the chicken pox for the children to experience while little instead of asking the doc to fix it for us Blum 3

A chicken pox party! We have those here in town every year. It's nice now that everyone has facebook, it's really easy to find out who is having the chicken pox get together Biggrin I need to get DS and DD2 to one this summer.

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The chicken pox party didn't work for us, we tried it twice. Now my 3 older boys have the vaccine b/c they were getting too big.

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It was never about Autism for me- it was always more about "you don't take malaria pills if you're not going to the jungle" and i'm not going to say that school (which we are still years away from making a homeschooling decision) or the world in general is a place safe from disease, but from my personal experience, the flu shot never did me any good and i do not work in healthcare, so we are going to skip that until school at least, and pertussis is making a comeback in this area, so we are going to get that one because thats the malaria that is in our proverbial jungle here.

my Grandfather had Polio- and he says it was torture for a very long time, and he's lucky to have survived without any permanent damage, so that is important for us to get. I personally had the chicken pox, and will be looking for a chicken pox party when DD is older.

IDK about anyone else, but i'm actually pretty scared that smallpox will make a comeback - biological warfare and all that, but thats not a vaccine thats available anymore. i think thats a bigger threat than the yearly flu, because common colds with no vaccine, or the stomach flu that you can't vaccinate against, both cause as many complications as the "regular" flu.... if they got the correct strains into the vaccine.

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"Chimmy" wrote:

The chicken pox party didn't work for us, we tried it twice. Now my 3 older boys have the vaccine b/c they were getting too big.

A friend of mine took her two boys to every chicken pox party there was for several years and they never got it (visibly anyway). She took them to the dr for bloodwork to find out if they had somehow developed an immunity to it before she got them the vaccination. Turns out, they somehow did have an immunity to it.