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    Default Wow!! Making circumcision illegal?

    While we chose not to circumcise our son, I don't know how I feel about this. What do you ladies think?

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    Jewish groups oppose circumcision ban in US city
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    Personally, I feel like without solid medical research which shows its necessity/benefit, it should be considered genital mutilation. If we don't allow it for female babies, we shouldn't allow it for male babies, either.

    Thus, the argument of it being a religious practice doesn't fly with me. I'd sign his petition. But that's my opinion. I don't necessarily look down on parents who choose to circ, because it IS a culturally accepted practice right now.
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    Ditto Manda. I would sign the petition.
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    There is medical evidence that it is at least slightly beneficial though. That might not be enough for some parents, but I know many including doctors, who feel that is important to them. The city in which they are doing this is very liberal so I wouldn't be suprised if it passed, I don't see it ever happening nationwide. Personally I don't want the government telling me how to parent my children, that's called socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mandi04 View Post
    There is medical evidence that it is at least slightly beneficial though. That might not be enough for some parents, but I know many including doctors, who feel that is important to them. The city in which they are doing this is very liberal so I wouldn't be suprised if it passed, I don't see it ever happening nationwide. Personally I don't want the government telling me how to parent my children, that's called socialism.
    These are the two things that I consider the most. While ACOG is on the biased side (and I don't agree with some of their recommendations), they do not make decisions without considering, as well as citing research, and a lot of research at that. Even they say there are risks and benefits to circumcision. Now I didn't have it done with DS because I personally couldn't get past the "mutilation" aspect. It would have caused pain to my baby for no medical reason or immediate benefit, so I couldn't bring myself to do it. BUT on the other hand, I don't want the government controlling things like that. They control more and more as it is and I don't like it.

    ETA: Anyone who has taken statistics or knows much about it, knows that research can be interpreted in just about any way that you want it to. You can take the same circ study and twist the outcomes to where it appears beneficial or appears risky. Obviously the more research that you have that points to a particular conclusion, the more "relevant" it is IMO, but it is all based on theory, which we all know can neither be proven or disproven. I do know however that at least a few babies die each year in the US because of complications directly linked to circumcision... and that was enough for me!
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    Meh, I'm a "mutilator", I suppose. I used to find that language incredibly offensive, but I have come to realize that peoples interest in my son's penis is their own prerogative. Two circ'd sons and we are "educated" on the topic and aware of the objections I live on the East Coast, where it is overwhelmingly the norm. This won't even come to a vote, I bet, but if it is the will of the people in SF, super! That is the beauty of living in a democracy.

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    I'll add, to make this more 'on topic' that I feel like this is the equivalent of making home birth illegal. While I personally won't home birth I wouldn't sign something to take the choice away from women who want to despite the fact that there is a slight risk to it in the fact that if some thing goes wrong you are not in the hospital, which can have life long effects on a baby. I don't see how you can be for making one illegal and against the other, even if it's not something you would do. I probably shouldn't even post that because we're on a board where there aren't going to be anti-home birthers but there are people from the anti-circ side of things...but do remember for everything that people can say against circumcision there are plenty of things others can say against home birth. It's about choice, and the choice to homebirth does not impact the mom alone, we make choices for our kids everyday and we weigh risks vs benefits. To breast or botte feed, to vaccinate, which diapers to use...all of which can have life long effects and I don't expect the government to tell us what to do with any of those despite my own feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Meh, I'm a "mutilator", I suppose. I used to find that language incredibly offensive, but I have come to realize that peoples interest in my son's penis is their own prerogative. Two circ'd sons and we are "educated" on the topic and aware of the objections I live on the East Coast, where it is overwhelmingly the norm. This won't even come to a vote, I bet, but if it is the will of the people in SF, super! That is the beauty of living in a democracy.
    I did want to say that ours was a personal choice, like yours. I respect the parent's right to decide. I used the term b/c it was used in the article.

    Mandi, I agree it is on the same lines as the home birth debate.
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    In my view, the difference between homebirth and circumcision is that homebirth is about MY vagina, circumcision is about my SON'S penis. I don't own his body, anymore than my husband or the government owns mine. If your son want's to cut off his foreskin, that's absolutely his right and shouldn't be denied. It's a simple argument to me. You wouldn't tattoo your child, same thing. *shrug* I don't want the government legislating what I can do with my OWN body, but with someone else's, you're darn right I think there should be limits.

    Everything has risks and benefits, and arguing it from that standpoint, I can justify almost anything.
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    That is an interesting difference. I think that birth is first and foremost about my BABY, not just my vagina. My baby does not choose where they live, how they are fed, what they wear, what vaccinations they receive, how they are disciplined etc. That is great if you allow your child to make all of those decisions!

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