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Leigh welcome to your lodge! Yay! I am excited to follow the rest of your pregnancy and cheer you on!

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Oh! Yay! We're here!!! (We're HERE?! WOW.)

Quickie intro: I'm 34 and live in Tucson, AZ with my husband, 3yo daughter Adair, and two big dogs. I work full time as a graphic designer in book publishing and my husband is an art teacher. Our daughter was born at the Tucson Birth Center in July 2010, and I'm with the same practice again this time around, although they've changed locations in the interim and now have a much bigger facility with a nice birthing tub in each room (the lack of good rooms/tubs factored in my story last time, so this is good news!) I've had a largely uneventful pregnancy so far, thankfully, and my only concern at this point is position, since this kiddo still doesn't seem to be wanting to stay head down yet (although she is definitely spending time there lately, which gives me hope). I've been seeing a Webster-experienced chiro since 26 weeks, which has really helped me to stay as comfortable as possible, and hopefully gives me a good shot at good positioning once this kid decides to quit it with the acrobatics...

Anyway, here's a link to my last lodge, which has my full intro and birth story (post #269) and my post-birth thoughts on Hypnobirthing, etc. http://www.pregnancy.org/bulletinboards/birth-stories-lodges-92/%2A%2A%2Aleighs-cactuswren-birth-lodge%2A%2A%2A-613138/

I have my big 36 week birth plan/GBS swab/etc. appointment in a couple of hours, so I'll update again after that.

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Yay Leigh! So happy for you that it is lodge time and excited to follow along! Biggrin

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Whee, little troublemaker already! Had my 36 week appointment—baby is confirmed breech. Well, kind of—she was in a sort of diagonal breech, confirmed with a quick u/s by the midwife at the appointment, although that was only an hour ago and already she’s gone completely transverse again. She’s just still moving a LOT. They did schedule me for a real u/s and version on Tuesday (at 37 weeks), and in the meantime gave me some recommendations for herbs and exercises to try to encourage her to turn on her own. I’m also seeing my chiro again on Monday so that will hopefully help as well, although it hasn’t so far. Baby likes to be curled up in a tight little ball that confuses everyone when they try to feel position, and can’t give a guess on weight at all because she’s so hard to read, so I guess it’s good to have some real confirmation of what’s happening, at least! I’m just glad this is my second pregnancy…I’m kind of feeling at this point like whatever, there’s time, it’ll work out, but if this had happened last time, I would have been FREAKED.

Anyway, we also did the birth plan thing, and while that was mostly pretty standard, I did find out (thanks for bringing it up, DH!) that one of my most hated and feared hospital policies has changed—the 2 hour nursery stay. He mentioned that that was one of our major concerns in the event of a transfer, and the midwife said that in the past couple of years they’ve made some big changes on that front. Now if L&D is really busy and they “have” to take the baby to the nursery, they keep it to less than an hour (and family or at least dad is encouraged to accompany). If L&D is reasonable, they will often honor a family’s request to do all procedures and testing in the room, which I was told was nearly impossible to manage in the past. So that does make me feel even more zen about the hospital possibility!

What else…well, I’d only gained a couple of ounces since my last appointment (about a week and a half) but considering how nauseous I’ve been in the interim, and therefore not eating much, I’m not very surprised. I’m up 18.5 total so far, which is on the low side, but they didn’t seem too worried, just mentioned it. HR was 140, I’m measuring a couple of weeks small but again she wasn’t all that concerned, just thinks it’s probably due to her funky position more than anything. I have been measuring a week behind for some time now (but progressing appropriately) and always measured a week small with Adair too, even when she was head down, so I guess that’s just normal for me.

Then DH and I got to have a midday date and go out to lunch, so that was nice! Overall a mildly frustrating but I guess mostly pleasant appointment. Fingers crossed on the GBS swab…

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It doesn't seem possible that you could be this close to already have your little baby girl in your arms! I'm beyond excited for you and can't wait to loudly cheer you on as you push another baby out of your vagina. Smile

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YAY! Lodge time! Soooooo excited to follow you on your journey this time. I have no doubt you're going to ROCK this birth! Biggrin

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Eeep, I can't believe its lodge time already! I am so excited for you!

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yayy!!! so excited

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What herbs and exercises do they have you doing to turn her? I hope she turns before the version.

Sucks about the hospital nursery policy. Mine didn't have that. But you aren't going to a hospital, so just forget about that.

Off to read your old lodge/birth story!

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Yay, can't wait to share the journey with you! Are you giving Hypnobabies another try?

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Yay for 36weeks Leigh. Can't wait to follow and see how your little troublemaker goes, hope she gets ready for launch very soon

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So excited for your lodge Leigh and so happy to follow your journey again!

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Yay! Lodge time! I will be stalking you!

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"eliann" wrote:

What herbs and exercises do they have you doing to turn her? I hope she turns before the version.

Sucks about the hospital nursery policy. Mine didn't have that. But you aren't going to a hospital, so just forget about that.

Off to read your old lodge/birth story!

Well, they (and everyone else under the sun) keep recommending Spinning Babies (and I keep saying "Yep. I know it." lol!) but I haven't been doing any of the breech inversions yet so they gave me a handout on those. I tried it last night after dinner....MISTAKE!!!!!!! All of this big baby belly suddenly smushing up into my ribs, lungs, and FULL stomach? Most uncomfortable five minutes of my life (all I could handle!) I'll try again this afternoon under more favorable conditions...I've been doing the forward inversions here and there for months now but I guess it's time to pull out all the stops...

The herb they recommended is pulsatilla. I had never heard of it before, but I guess it's a homeopathic relaxant of sorts...here's the Spinning Babies page on it: Homeopathy Totally willing to give that a try, just need to get to the store!

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Yay, can't wait to share the journey with you! Are you giving Hypnobabies another try?

Actually I did Hypnobirthing last time, and I'm kind of planning to use it again but to be honest have barely touched the book or recordings because the couple of times I tried to listen to the rainbow relaxation at bedtime like I did last pregnancy, it was annoying the CRAP out of me. It would put me to sleep almost immediately, which is fine, but then it kept waking me up halfway through and then I was having trouble getting back to sleep. So I stopped that. I did find a chance to do the peace sanctuary (my favorite!) relaxation the other day, and that was wonderful. I still remember and use that on my own all the time anyway, but it was nice to actually listen to it and do the whole script again as a good refresher. I think I will try to work that in (maybe during inversions) more over the next few weeks. I'll also add the affirmations toward the end, because I did find those helpful last time.

Ultimately, though, I'm feeling pretty good and laid back about the whole birth thing. I feel like I have a good toolkit of relaxation and positioning strategies to try in the moment, and I don't really feel the need for much more of a refresher--it's so much harder to work in now that I have another kiddo running around, no office to shut the door on during lunch, etc. So I'm just trying to work in what I reasonably can, keep that basic spirit of calm and self-relaxation in mind, and hope it's enough! I am also emailing DH things I find like good spinning babies techniques and positions to try during labor in the event of X so that he feels prepared to have things to suggest. He's also very good about the light touch massage and just listening to me and what I want during labor, so...again, feeling pretty good about that part.

Now if this baby would just get herself into a launching position... Smile

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Looking forward to following this during your last few weeks. Launch position...now little one!!

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I *think* she is head downish this morning...feels like her butt is up under my belly button with kicks on my right, although I can't locate her head exactly. Have been getting some of those weird shooting groin pains where it feels like my leg suddenly wants to collapse, though, which I think happens when she's got her head down there pushing on stuff, so hopefully a good sign. Although she's been this way before and never stayed...yet. At least it's good to know she is capable and considering it! Wink

Oh, and I think I officially hate backward inversions. I did the most lame one ever last night (one firm, fat pillow) and still I could only stand it for eight minutes and it gave me a ton of rib pain and a lasting headache! At this point, I want her head down less for birth and more so I have an excuse not to have to do those anymore!!! For whatever reason, front ones don't bother me at all, but back ones...UGH.

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yep! once Alison turned i had kicking on my right Smile there was also little flutters super low. yay for turning! i hope she stays there

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I can't believe it's lodge time already!
I hope she did indeed flip and stay head down for you until delivery.

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She's hard to read this morning, but I don't feel a head up high and I'm feeling lots of pressure on my pubic bone so I'm hoping that's good.

On another note, I cannot find skullcap tincture or pulsatilla anywhere in this darn town! I have never looked for the 2nd before, but I bought skullcap three years ago with no issue at all. Now everyplace I go says "Oh, we USED to have that...guess it didn't sell well" :roll: It's a main ingredient in lots of anti-stress and sleep blends, but I don't want to take all the other stuff mixed in there (or, frankly, stand in a grocery aisle looking up the pregnancy safety of six million different herbs on my phone...) So frustrating! Looks like I'll just have to order online...

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yay for pressure! (I guess ;)) I had a ton of it last night when baby decided to jam his had down into my pelvis. He moved up a little again while I slept. We're getting so close!
Good luck finding the herbs. That's pretty frustrating. Maybe you could call some places in your area and see if they have any before trying to order online?

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I've gone to three stores and checked the websites of two more...I just ordered the skullcap online since that's less time sensitive and I really need a good brand for it, too (cheap skullcap has been mixed up with other herbs before...it's only safe in pregnancy if you get it from a reputable source). May call a couple of places about the pulsatilla...although if baby is head down, not sure if I need it? I guess it won't hurt either way, since it's just a mild uterine relaxant...right?

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Yep, she's head down today...I know because I can feel her practice breathing again!!! :love1:

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Maybe if she's head down you shouldn't mess with anything. You want her staying that way!

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Right? That's what I told DH last night when he started badgering me about doing inversions.

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Maybe try some belly binding at the top so she doesn't have room to flip around anymore! If you want pulsatilla, I know I can get the homeopathic version tomorrow because I'll be driving right past the store to & from soccer. I can drop it in the mail to you. If you want the herbal, I'm sure I could get it somewhere here but not until Monday. Let me know & send me a PM with your mailing address.

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Awesome that she is head down! Keep doing g what you're doing. Hopefully the bigger she gets she runs out of room and hangs out like that til her birthday. Isn't it crazy that stores don't sell things anymore? I couldn't find gentian violet anywhere when we had thrush. And other random things too.

Is your daughter excited to be a big sister? Will she be at the birth?

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Thank you so much! I finally found the homeopathic pulsatilla on Saturday (nick of time!) and started taking it. She is STILL not staying head down, though, and now has 24 hours until they're going to force the issue. I am hearing scary things about how painful versions are, and I really, really would prefer for her to just do what she's supposed to do, for numerous reasons....AAAAAAH.

The good part is that this whole business did kick in some nesting, finally, and I spent the weekend getting Ready For Baby. Aside from normal housecleaning and hanging up a shelf to account for the fact that I no longer have a bedside table, we are DONE. Crib is up, swing is up, car seat is installed, hospital bag is packed, diapers and clothes organized and ready...nothing to mentally stand in the way at all now. I'm not done with everything I need to do at work, but if I suddenly had to be out they'd totally be able to manage at this point.

So, baby: YOU HAVE 24 HOURS. GET DOWN AND STAY THAT WAY.

It's so frustrating...last night I took my pulsatilla and did an inversion for 10 minutes, and after that I really felt like she was down--feeling low pressure in the right place and everything. But when I woke up this morning, she was transverse again. I do have my chiropractic appointment this afternoon, and one more night to do my herbs and inversions...cross your fingers for me!

Elizabeth: I don't really want DD at the birth because I'm a pretty private birther and really don't want a lot of extra people in the room--especially not one I have to worry about (even if there are other people there handling her) so she will stay with my mom and they will come over as soon as we give her the green light. I *am* excited, though, that she and my mom are planning to come with us to the ultrasound tomorrow, and then my mom will take her to school while we go deal with the version, if we have to. I think it will be really cool for her to get to see that.

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Sending you lots of head-down vibes. I hope she's in the right place for you tomorrow. Good luck.

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Thank you! I'm actually feeling like she's vertical again right now (which way, no idea, but I don't feel any body parts sideways, and I'm nauseous again, which is a weird thing to be happy about but happens every time she gets near my stomach) so...hoping.

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Leigh, a version is not the most comfortable thing in the world, but I didn't find mine overly painful. The doctor who did mine said that he would have quit long before he did because I handled it well and I have a very low pain threshold. Not to say it didn;t hurt at all, but there are worse things. I put my headphones on and zoned out

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If she's still flipping back & forth, what is the point of doing an external version if you aren't considering immediate induction? It's not like they're going to be able to superglue her into place, kwim? If she has room to move, she can just move back. IMHO versions should only be done if baby isn't moving at all, because there's a risk of the pressure they apply breaking your water and then you're dealing with being on the clock before your body might be ready for a natural delivery, or risking out of the birth center if you go longer than they're comfortable with, etc. If it were me, I'd only consider a version if she started staying head up and was no longer flipping on her own.

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I've actually been thinking the same thing...the midwife did mention that once we KNOW she is head down (either naturally and confirmed by the u/s or after the version) then we can try binding to help her stay, though. I really do want the u/s, just to make sure there's nothing weird going on like a short or extra wrapped cord keeping her from getting where she needs to be, but I am very much on the fence about the version part. :/ REALLY hoping to show up and not need it! If the u/s confirms that she just has room and there's nothing weird going on, though, I'm thinking about skipping it...I just don't know.

I am SO BAD at understanding her position, it's just making me feel very unconfident about making a decision without better info. I was terrible at telling with DD1 and I'm even worse with this one. I *think* she's been head down most of the day today, but I could be completely wrong. I know she isn't transverse like she seemed to be this morning, because I'm feeling all the big pressure down/central and up/left of belly button instead of side to side, but which end is which is honestly anyone's guess....

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If she's still flipping back & forth, what is the point of doing an external version if you aren't considering immediate induction?

I was planning to ask the same thing! I hope things go well for you tomorrow.

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Hi Leigh! I'm late to your lodge, but wanted to wish you happy good thoughts and head down baby that stays that way for tomorrow!

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Hope things go well for you tomorrow and she stays head down. Update us when you can!

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Oh and I've been reading through your DD's birth story and your last pregnancy lodge on my pump breaks. Loved the birth story. I'm so glad the cohosh got things moving for you last time. I remember every time my cervix was checked I would chant "be at 9, be at 9" in my head. And I was always at 3 despite the awful contractions. I loved what you wrote later in your lodge about "trying so hard to go into labor that you couldn't relax." I think that happened to me as well. I hear 2nd babies are a lot easier though. My friend had an incredibly long hard labor with her first and then the second one she texted me "should I call my doula, contractions are 20 min apart." I told her I would wait if I were her and to my surprise I get a text 5 hours later that the baby was born.

Hope you pop before you risk out and hopefully your labor won't stall either.

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"cactuswren" wrote:

I am SO BAD at understanding her position, it's just making me feel very unconfident about making a decision without better info.

More information isn't a bad thing, and if the information is that she's head down, then that's great. If you feel something round up top, poke around a bit to see if it's hard or squishy. Heads are hard, bottoms are round but squishy. Check out Spinning Babies, they have much more excellent descriptions than mine! Blum 3

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ALL GOOD NEWS!

We had the u/s this morning and she was nicely head down...now that I know for sure what I'm feeling, I think she's actually been this way for a couple of days, and is now starting to engage (at least my bladder and some lady at the restaurant this morning think so, lol!) so that's a HUGE RELIEF. All her measurements, including fluid, looked good, and they're estimating her current weight at 6lbs 3oz. I know that's all with a big margin of error, but it's nice that no red flags came up anywhere. And we got to see her sucking on her fingers, which was just the cutest thing ever Biggrin

We had a nice big break after that so we went and got some breakfast--I was STARVING because I wasn't allowed to eat before the version appointment--and wandered around the used bookstore, where I picked up some fun, light reading to have on hand for early baby days Smile Then we had my regular Birth Center appointment, where we dotted all the i's and crossed all the T's--got some paperwork and last labs done, etc., found out I'm GBS NEGATIVE (:yahoo:) and now I'm cleared to birth there whenever baby is ready! So much relief all around!!!

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Oh, and PS...yes, I know all about Spinning Babies and how you're "supposed" to be able to tell a baby's position...it doesn't help me AT ALL. My only solace is that the midwives were having a hard time with this one too. I think my abdominal wall is so tight (somehow...) that when she pushes her feet out together in a kind of a pike position, it can feel like one big mass, not two little feet, so then I think that part is a butt or a head and get REALLY confused.

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Yahoo
awesome news!

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Yay for being head down, and for starting to engage! Yahoo I had a really hard time figuring out Tiven's position. I think that was because her placenta was anterior, front & center. It also masked a lot of her movements, so I never had that fluttery feeling in the second trimester. She went straight to kicking & punching the **** out of me! :shock:

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Hahaha...yeah, my placenta is not anterior, but I think something about my abdominal wall just makes things a little difficult to discern. It all honestly just feels like one giant lump of baby most of the time. She is starting to really HURT me when she pushes around in there, though, good grief! Lots of wince-worthy moments these days. I'm trying not to mentally rush the last days or weeks of my last pregnancy, but I think we are all very excited for her to join us on the outside soon... Wink

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YAY!!!! That is one wonderful appointment Leigh!!!! So excited for you that everything is all set and she's ready to roll! And you are going to rock this birth lady!!!!!

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Yay! Great news all around!

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I'm glad everything is going so well. You can rest easy now knowing that you don't have to worry about breech being an issue (surely she'll stay head down now). I have never been able to figure out what's what with my kids while pg. I never could tell you whether it was a heel or elbow, head or butt.

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So glad it's not just me! From this point on, I'm going to assume that as long as I'm still feeling kicks in the same general area, all's well. (I drove myself crazy last pg constantly thinking she'd flipped out of vertex, and every time they checked she was head down). No more guessing games! Wink

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Nothing much going on today...little miss still feels like she's in the same position, which is ROT with her head pushing on my right hip--not the best position I know but a heck of a lot better than breech! Getting some good practice breathing when I put my hand on her back right now...

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So close now! Any time little Soosa!

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Oh yeah, for those of you who don't know, "Soosa" is Adair's name for the baby. It was her adamant suggestion for a girl name, and stuck as an in-utero name Smile

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Soosa, that is so cute. Glad all is well with her position. So are you all ready? Anything on your to-do list before baby comes?

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We actually seriously considered naming her Susanna so we could keep the Soosa nickname (probably spell it Susa in that case) but we just didn't quite love it enough to make it stick. It's a lovely name and actually not that common, but just too close to middle age lady associations with all the Suzannes and Susans born in the 50s and 60s.

I think she's rotated from ROT to LOP...maybe on her way to LOA? Which would be awesome, since Spinning Babies says that's the best for start of labor...I was feeling feet all across the top middle of my belly yesterday and today up high on the right side, and no more pressure in my right hip, so fingers crossed that I'm reading this correctly. Some mild central downward pressure, and my belly definitely looks a bit lower. Addy was ROT going into labor and I don't doubt that it contributed to the slowness of it all, so starting in a better position this time would definitely be welcome!

We actually got almost completely ready last weekend just in case the version ended in a baby, so I really don't have much to do! There are a couple of boxes of newly handed down NB/3m stuff in my car that I need to find a spot for, and I don't have a shelf hung up to replace my bedside table now that the crib is there yet, but none of that is really crucial to have done before baby. I do have ONE last project that absolutely has to get done at work, but I'm close to finishing it (my goal was 10/1 and I think I'll make it...) and after that I was just planning to work on wish list working-ahead type stuff anyway, so...really, she can come anytime and I'll be happy at this point! I do have a haircut/pedicure/lunch date with my mom on Saturday that it would be nice to make Wink Aside from better positioning, though, and some strong but still very random BH, I'm not feeling or seeing any labor signs yet, so I think we probably still have a little while to wait.

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