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Welcome to your lodge Mona! :blob3:

We're all here to support you. Remember you CAN do this and have a completely different birth experience than you had last time. Don't listen to those who aren't confident in your body!!!

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Welcome to your Lodge! Smile

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Welcome to your lodge, Mona! I'm so excited to follow your journey!

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Welcome to your lodge Mona! I'm so excited for you. Biggrin

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Thanks for the welcome ladies!!! I didnt have a lodge last time so I'll make a little introduction.

My and DH have been together forever! From highschool!! We didnt get married until 2008 though and for the longest time thought that we wouldnt not have children. In 2009 we decided that we did want to give it a try. I went of BC on around July 2009 and got pg 3 months later but that ended in an ectopic. I had the methotrexate shot and no surgery thankfully then got pg with Simon on our first try after that! YAY!! It was surprising because DH had a SA done and it actually has crappy sperm! LOL! His count is good but the motility and morphology was bad. But it only takes one good one to get through! Wink

From the beginning I always wanted a natural birth, but I have highish bp on my own and my one sister had pree with all 3 of her babies. I figured I was doomed to get it myself. My pg was pretty uneventfual (except for unknown bleed at 13 weeks and spd), but at 36 weeks with DS my bp started to climb up. Never had any protein in my urine and bloodwork was always fine. At 38 weeks it was still up and my OB said I could go on meds to see if that would help for a couple more weeks or get induced. I stupidly picked induction. Not that I am entirely against it IF there was a problem, but clearly I only had PIH, and not pree. Yes I guess there was a chance it would turn into pree, but did not at that point, and when I finally had DS at 38w5d my bloodwork was still fine. My bp was never once high at the hospital either.

I had such a hard labour with DS. They started out with the foley cath dilation since I was not dilated at all. Apparently you cannot do cervidil if you are asthmatic and that is why they went this route. (I'm going to double check that this time if I have to be induced) This only got me to 2cm so I had to have the pitocin drip (worst thing ever!). Ds was face up and I think my body was not even close to ready to have him. They started the drip around noon on Friday and I didnt have him until 230 Saturday. My contractions got painful around midnight friday and I was having such bad back labour I caved and got an epidural, which did NOTHING for back labour. And now I'm stuck in bed. I was so frozen they could have sawed off my legs and I wouldnt have known!!

I had horrible hip pain during my labour, but this was NOT shoulder dystocia. My ob thinks it was just part of back labour. Though Simon was born with a brachial plexus injurty (shoulder injury) which I thought may have been because his shoulder was stuck on my hip causing the pain? After Ive done a little research that is virtually impossible as it would have meant he was crowning at that point, which he certainly wasnt. The ob on call turned him over manually and after that he pretty much flew out. I had a small internal tear and she did an episiotomy due to me having severe swelling down there. She didnt ask me if she could do it, but given how badly I was swollen it was the best choice, and my recovery from that was ok.

After DS I was pretty sure I would want another baby, DH was thinking we were done. I had only 2 periods back when I got pg as I was still bfing DS. I was about to go on BC but AF never arrived!! This baby was definitely meant to be. After the initial shock we were very excited!

This pg has been harder. I have had bad ms since about 9 weeks, was on diclectin until around 26 weeks. It has only been these past couple of weeks where I havent been puking anymore! SPD is bad again, but otherwise uneventful pg. My bp has been up and down since around 30 weeks but once again no protein in urine and bloodwork fine. My last appointment the OB decided to put me on meds for it, just a low dose. I was asking her about the hip pain during labour last time, and I think I have somewhat made her paranoid because now she wants to induce at 38 weeks due to elevated BP and because this baby is even bigger than Simon. Which I know means nothing and the U/s can be way off. She was pushing, and I'm pretty sure she will go along with me as long as I dont have pree symptoms, but it is still annoying. Especially since DH now wants the baby at 38 weeks! ERG!!!!

I have been talking to DH though and he at least agrees that we should wait until 39 weeks, as thats better for the baby. Of course if something serious came up with my bp I would induce, but I want to avoid induction and back labour with this baby. I sort of wish I had picked a mw, but I work at the hospital with this ob (same one from ds and ectopic) and she's lovely and I wouldnt want to offend her. It's just that she is used to more high risk pg, so it's her nature to do interventions. But like I said, she is very supportive and think will be ok with waiting if that's what I want. I have my 36 week appt tomorrow and I'll talk with her more about it. And my bp is for sure way down from the pills so that is good!!!

Sorry if this was a mess and hard to read!! Thanks for all your support ladies!!

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I know I made a ton of spelling mistakes, but it wont let me edit right now!!!!

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I would be a little ticked at the 38 week idea too. As you said, when there's a need for it that's one thing but just hypothetical reasoning for induction/earlier deliver bothers me. I'm sure she'd see your side of things with going to 39 weeks as it's best for baby so long as no alarms go off. I hope your talk with her today helps you get on the same page.

I'm sorry your first labor was so hard. I know a ton of women who have had similar experiences and it's just heartbreaking. I am almost positive I have SPD with this pregnancy and baby's been posterior for a while, I cannot imagine dealing with that in labor. You're one strong mama and I KNOW you're going to get the birth you want this time. You seem to be doing an amazing job at being in charge of your care and the medical knowledge from your profession is a definite bonus!

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It's Mona lodge time!!! Crazy! I swear you were just announcing your BFP yesterday.

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Welcome, Mona!!

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Welcome to your lodge!! Glad to hear your BP is down still!

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yay Mona!!!

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Welcome to your lodge! I can't believe it's that time already!

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Welcome to your lodge! Looking forward to following your story!

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Crappy appt today. Sad Bp was ok at 124/90 (which I think would have been lower if she'd of given me a minute to rest), but I had +1 protein in my urine which I have never had before. And I put on 8 lbs in 1 week! OMG!!! My feet and ankles are really swelling and my hands a bit too. So she's keeping me on my current dose of meds, but I have to do a 24 hour urine collection and NSTs once a week.

I hope that for some reason the protein is due to the fact that I was a bit dehydrated for that sample (had been napping then running around to get ready so didnt really drink anything) and my urine was soooo concentrated and has since lightened back up to normal.

At least she didnt seem too concerned or mention induction again, just seeing her in a week.

Still feel kinda Sad and it's made DH ultra paranoid which sucks. He gets so quiet and worried and miserable. He doesnt handle worrying about me well. He just wants the baby out and everything better.

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Aw man. I HATED having to do the 24 hour collection with Aiden. So sorry you're having to do this, but it is for a good reason at least. ((hugs))

I hope next week's NST shows everything is fantastic. If it is and you have no issues from the 24 hour collection, think you could argue to skip a week or two of NSTs? Wink

At any rate glad she didn't mention induction. You know my stance on that unless you end up having a true medical issue.

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Why did you have a 24 hour urine collection with Aiden Jackie?

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Remember the base hospital I started off with that pregnancy decided I had hypertension and that it was getting too high for their comfort. I had all sorts of issues with them involving my BP. They would only take it using a machine and told me there was no such thing as white coat hypertension. And the fact that I HATE HATE HATE those machines wouldn't affect me. :roll: Oh and I never was given a chance to rest or sit properly.

Which is funny because it cured itself. Lol

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I'm sorry your appointment didn't go well. Hopefully, the 24 hour urine test will show it was a fluke. How fast time is flying by these days. Just yesterday you were telling us Simon was going to be a big brother and now here we are! Crazy.

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I hope it was a fluke too! I had protein once in my last pregnancy, and my midwife asked me what I had eaten the night before. It has been one of those nights with my toddler, and I'd had a embarrassing amount of Taco Bell at around 9pm, and then, an even MORE embarrassing amount of brownies at like 10pm. Like I said, one of those days. Anyway, as soon as I admitted to that, my midwife was like, "Ok, so you know that's not a good idea. No more 1/2 pans of brownies at 10pm." And I never had protein again after that. So yeah, hopefully it was something similar for you?

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Sorry about your yucky appointment! I hope the Protein ends up being nothing.

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yuck! i hope it's gone for your next appt.

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I hope it was a fluke and your 24 hr urine collection comes back great. I had to do one of those about 3 weeks ago and it suuuuper sucked but it came back great. (I was spilling a little bit of protein at all my appts and had a spike even though my BP was good all along.)

I think it is often hard for SO's to know there is nothing they can do to "solve" our physical problems when we are pregnant... :/

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Had my nst yesterday. Baby was great. My BP was up (145/90) but it's NEVER that high at home so my OB was totally ok with it. Smile

I finished my 24 urine collection this morning. It sucked!! They gave me one 3L jug and within 6 hours it was apparently that I was goign to need another jug! I put out over 6L in 24 hours!! OMG! I didnt drink more than normal and the OB nurse who did my nst said that was normal/healthy. That low output is much more suspicious in PIH. So thats good. But the stupid lab tech almost refused to give me another jug! Where would you like me to put this pee lady?!?!?!?

I'm worried about false positives in the test though. I am not entirely sure how they do this test, but if it just measures protein in general, there is going to be lots, because I seem to have alot of CM that sometimes just flows out with peeing. Plus (TMI coming up) I had a BM while taking one sample and a bit got in. I researched online and it says they can separate protein types so hopefuly they do that, since my sample will def have protein in it, but not necessarily from my urine! Anyone know??

I'm feeling pretty good today. Have damn sinus headaches though. Yuck. My pressure this am was 124/88 on my too small cuff (the only one I have) which usually means about 10 points lower with a proper one. As long as I am no higher than 140/95 with my cuff I know I'm ok. So that's good!!! I hope that protein was just a fluke. Its funny cause I did eat like crap the night before. I had like half a rich chocolate cake. OOPS!! Lol

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I'm sorry you had to endure the dreaded 24 hr urine collection. I betcha it was a cake-induced fluke and it will come back just fine.

I did a little googling and found that the Albustix test is a common urinalysis tool. Its just a dip stick test for determining the presence of proteins in urine. It doesn't discriminate between protein sources (mucus/fecal matter/urine) and can give false positives if left in the urine sample too long. I downloaded a paper on it and I'll send it to you on FB. Its a really old paper but it'll give you a starting point for discussion if your OB comes back and says you failed the test and that's the test they used. If that happens to be the case, I'd recommend redoing the 24 hr collection and trying really hard not to get "alternative" protein in there.

They might do a more sophisticated test and the test may have changed since that paper was published so its good to ask. You don't want to be induced because of a crappy false positive.

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Might I add that I LOVE that FB now allows pdf attachments!!!

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Thanks for the articles Erin!

I'm more irritated at the lab now after doing some research. When I picked up the initial jug, she just said start in the morning (toss first pee) and finish next morning and keep that pee. Bring it in, keep refridgerated if possible. Sounded easy enough.

DH was the oen who picked up the other jug and they were talking about bloodwork and stuff. I thought they were crazy, so I looked up creatinine clearance (the other test on there) and apparently it's 24 urine AND bloodtest. Which I bet has to be done close after finishing the urine collection! But DS is sleeping now and sorry I'm not waking him. I finished the test at 730am and prob wont get there until 130pm. If these idiots would give the same directions to everyone i wouldnt have this problem. Mind you, they still didnt say to him for me to run in soon. But would make sense no??

I also hope that the little bits of pee i lost dont matter. Probably not tons int he grand scheme of over 6L i put out! This test would be so much easier if I were a man! Lol

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Women should be issued THESE when they have to do these test. Wink

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Glad you got thru the test. Can't believe she didn't want to give you another jug. Gees. I hope it all comes back normal. Glad your BP had been great too. woo hoo!!

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Pee collection sounds so easy till you have to do it. Wink I wasn't given anything but this HUGE plastic container (it could hold over 2 gallons). I had to supply my own cup to pee into and then funnel it into the jug. :roll:
I hope the test comes back okay.

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I'm glad you got through the 24 hour urine collection, they're such a PITA. I did two of them with DD and I just loved walking in with a jug of pee to turn in. I can't believe the lab lady didn't want to give you another jug. I hope it's all just a fluke. I had PIH symptoms with DD (high bp and a little protein in my urine) in the last couple of weeks of pregnancy, but it all fizzled out and everything came back normal. I hope the same happens for you.

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Well when I dropped off the pee the lab person said she thinks they measure a specific type of protein to others shouldnt matter. And it didnt matter that I was late so that's good. Smile

Why oh why are my headaches the worst when my BP is good?!?!? I think these meds are still donig it. BOOO! I hope I can come off them really soon after birth!!!

I want to start my raspberry leaf tea tonight but DH is paranoid Ill go right into labour! Lol

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Remind him that RRL does NOT put you into labor! If it was a magic labor inducing tea, I wouldn't still be pregnant. Lol

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"TiggersMommy" wrote:

Women should be issued THESE when they have to do these test. Wink

^^^Amen to this!

I hope your results come back great!!

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Good luck with your results! I had to do the pee collection a few times with DD1 and once with DD2. It is not my favorite thing in the world.

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Ugh to those headaches. When I have a nasty headaches that I either can't take something for or that I need immediate relief for, I use a cold compress on my head. It definitely takes the edge off.

RRL will not put you into labor. If you want to try anything, maybe start a regimen of EPO starting at 37 weeks. If I recall correctly, I started it orally at 37 weeks and then vaginally at 38 weeks. I'd read that women who've had cryogenic cervical surgery (which I had at age 19) are at higher risk for 'failure to progress' due to scar tissue on the cervix. EPO softens the cervix and has been shown to help. No problems dilating here! I didn't have to deal with the yuckiness of the EPO all that long either because T arrived at 38+4.

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Sorry you had to go through the 24 hour pee test, but glad that you are through it now. I can't believe that lady didn't want to give you another jug. LOL What is the alternative? People are so weird sometimes.

Sorry that you are having headaches. I agree with a cold compress. Also, try massaging (fairly hard) the pressure point in the fleshy part of your hand between your thumb and pointer finger. That sometimes helps with headaches. Hope that you feel better soon. Smile

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Well I havent heard anything back about the 24 urine collection, so hopefully that means it is ok. I'd assume someone would call if it was way crazy. Smile
Ive started drinking RRLT and not in labour as DH feared! LOL! I only managed 2 cups a day so far but hope to bump up to 4 quickly. Its just about having time to drink it since DS keeps me pretty busy. And Im so hot all the time it's not always nice having a hot beverage.

Anyone know if I could steep ahead and make an iced tea out of it??

I think I'm going to try epo but not until my mom is here at 38 weeks just incase! Ive heard a couple of stories of ladies going into labour right after starting it so I dont want to take that chance. I sooooooo want to labour on my own. NO INDUCTION!!

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i hear you on the labouring on your own!!

I'm glad you havn't heard anything back yet, I would take that as good!

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Sorry to sound dumb, but what is epo? Smile

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Have you heard anything back about your 24 hr urine collection yet? I hate that limbo!

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Sorry to sound dumb, but what is epo? Smile

I believe its Evening Primrose Oil. I think they come in capsule form.

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Yep, epo is evening primrose oil. THey look like vit e capsules, oil filled.

Had my 37 week appt today. Went well! Bp was awesome 124/78, lost 3 lbs (clearly fluid), confirmed that 24 urine was good (they wanted less than .3 and mine was .21) and no protein in dip urine today! YAY! Baby was nice and active, measuring 40cm fundus, but OB doesnt really go by that, just more for showing progress.

She did mention still induction shortly after 38 weeks, but we'll see. I didnt say anything either way but figured why get into an argument now (which I dont think she would) but also if she had any inclination to argue, I dont want to put it in her mind that I will argue and therefore use scare tactics. If I seem agreeable and she does next appt and everything is good, she has no reason than to agre to wait if I say I want to. You know? I dont want to make her hostile, but I dont think she will.

Ive been drinking RRLT 2 times per day.....not even a BH! LOL!!! But I have been feeling better lately for some reason! Smile I'm going to try to up the tea soon. And like I said start epo at 38 weeks once my Mom is here.

OB said she'd check my cervix next week and thats fine, especially if i DO need to be induced, I'd want to know my bishop score. It surely was crappy with DS and like ive said MANY times, I was a cs waiting to happen! Dont know HOW i did vaginal really!! Just managed to hang in there. I really reallly really hope I go on my own before any induction. Guess me and DH will have to start DTD again. LOL!

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i know a lot of people don't like it, but maybe you can get cervidil? it worked really well for me and that was all i needed for my induction, the rest was natural. I was 1cm when I got it. Either way, being induced sucks! I may be in the same position at the end as well.

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Janice, I totally would use cervidil, but I'm asthmatic and I guess sometimes the cervidil can cause asthma attacks??? That's why I had the foley cath induction last time. I'm going to ask her about this though, since my asthma is allergy induced. I have never ever had my asthma bother me for no reason, and I've never had it bad enough to go to the hospital or anything, so i'm not sure if that would make a difference.

and I know that alot of time they send you home after you get it inserted after monitoring for a few hours, but if I needed to stay in that case, I guess I probably would, if it meant I could have it while being an asthmatic.

I'm going to start all the natural labour inducers soon. I feel like because I feel like im rushing baby, but I am still also a bit afraid about having another shoulder injury IF it is related to size.

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Oh I forgot to mention. I'm GBS negative! YAY!! No antibiotics this time! Biggrin

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oh crap, i think i remember you saying that!

I had to stay, but I had it inserted at like 9pm

yay for GBS negative!!!

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Woot for great BP, no protein in your urine and GBS negative!!! Good news all around! Smile

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Mona, sounds like you are doing AWESOME! Couldn't ask for better than that BP!

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Great appointment!! Remember, no natural method is going to put you into labor. They simply help if you're well on your way, like the castor oil helped Jackie. They certainly can't hurt but try not to get your expectations up that EPO, RRL tea, and DTD are going to get you a baby before 38 weeks.

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I know Erin, I'm just hoping! Smile And my next appt isnt until Friday which puts me at 38w2d, and she wont want to induce over the weekend (unless something is really wrong) so that puts her wanting to do Monday at the earliest when i will be 38w5d, and I'm definitely going to push that to at least 39 weeks. Smile
Just hoping and praying I will go before then!

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I'm so glad your appointment went well! I would think that if you made it to an induction and used cervadil, that they'd want to keep you for the possible asthma issue just to be on the safe side. From what the MW said to me Monday and yesterday, it seems subsequent pregnancies are easier to "bump along" once things start going so hopefully all you'll be able to get your body moving on your own. Wink

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Glad your appointment went well! I totally get not wanting to bring up the waiting with your OB ahead of time-I would be the same way and just delay when/if it got to that point cause I don't like confrontation.

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