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    OK, I didn't clarify. The vaccine herd immunity that is pushed today is not the same as natural herd immunity. Below explains it in detail. I guess we could debate it forever, but the bottom line is that I think the dangers of so many vaccines with so many additives in so little time is more dangerous than the risk of certain diseases.

    "Vaccine ‘herd immunity’ is hit-and-miss; outbreaks of disease sometimes erupt in those who follow recommended vaccine schedules. If they do actually “immunize”, vaccines provide only short-term immunity so, in an attempt to maintain ‘herd immunity’, health authorities hold ‘cattle drives’ to round up older members of the ‘herd’ for administration of booster shots. And on it goes, to the point that, now, it’s recommended we accept cradle-to-grave shots of vaccine against pertussis, a disease which still persists after more than sixty years of widespread use of the vaccine.

    Russell Blaylock, MD remarks, “One of the grand lies of the vaccine program is the concept of “herd immunity”. In fact, vaccines for most Americans declined to non-protective levels within 5 to 10 years of the vaccines. This means that for the vast majority of Americans, as well as others in the developed world, herd immunity doesn’t exist and hasn’t for over 60 years.”3

    In the pre-vaccine era, newborns could receive antibodies against infectious diseases from their mothers who had themselves been infected as children and re-exposed to the diseases later in life. Today’s babies born to mothers who were vaccinated and never exposed to these diseases do not receive these antibodies. In direct contrast to fear mongering disease “facts” and ‘herd immunity’ theories related by Public Health, most of today’s babies are more vulnerable than babies of the pre-vaccine era. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leahgoogle View Post
    I guess we could debate it forever, but the bottom line is that I think the dangers of so many vaccines with so many additives in so little time is more dangerous than the risk of certain diseases.
    And that's awesome that you did the research and came to that conclusion yourself. But let's not pretend there isn't fear mongering on both sides. To suggest that the CDC's vaccination schedule is a government conspiracy doesn't assist new moms in making their own decisions. It just plays on their fears and forces them to make an emotional rather than a rational decision.

    One thing that mothers NEED to understand is that MDs are sometimes no more informed on the risks and benefits of vaccines than their patients. You can find an MD to back up any claim. If you really want to get to the bottom of the story, go straight to the medical literature not blog posts or websites skewed towards their own agendas.

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    There is most definitely fear mongering on both sides. I have personally experienced it with my old pediatrician. I don't think the CDC's schedule is necessarily a conspiracy, but it is out of control. They keep adding and adding and adding vaccines. I used to be like most people and think that the government always works in our best interest. As time goes on, I believe that a lot of what the government does is fueled by money. Look at how many drugs the FDA approves and then black boxes. The rotavirus vaccine has been taken off the market twice. Once for causing strangulation of the intestines (intussusception) and once for an animal virus (pig I think) contamination. The side effects are small in numbers, but it does happen. DD2 just had rotovirus this spring. It is nasty, no doubt. But now she has natural immunity and it didn't cause her intestines harm or her body to be exposed to an animal virus. I won't even go into the government and pesticide use, GMO crops, artificial sweeteners. The list goes on and on, but that is another topic

    I agree that mothers need to make their own decisions and you can find any MD to back up any viewpoint. Medical literature is not always accurate and neither are private websites or blogs. It takes a lot of research and many different sources to get a straight answer and even then there is no way to be 100% sure what decision is right. There are risks on both sides of the issue.
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    I am pro-vaccine, but I have chosen to delay them by a few months.

    My doctor also has his own vaccine squedule. On the walls the exam rooms there is a sheet with the provicial health schedule and beside it there is his. He never gives more than two at once, and only in certain combinations. We are in his office two to three times more often, but I don't mind.

    I don't knw what his stand is on not vaccinating, but he has never said anyting when I showed up two months latter to vaccinate my children. There was an incident, where DD had a Staph infection, and my doctor asked that we delay her next round of vaccines for a month. A month latter, when I went back to get her checked, the replacing phisician was all upset that she had not had that vaccine 'in the timeline of the recomended schedule'. When I told him that my regular doctor had asked we delay, he huffed.
    When I saw my regular doctor a few weeks latter for said vaccine, I told him of the incident. He brusehd it off, stating that each have their own schedule. The dellay was fine. I think he is laying low among his peers.
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    Oh so I know I've been afk from this board for awhile so forgive me for jumping in here of all places.


    We do not vaccinate. I had a vaccine reaction at 11 months old (seizures) and DS2 had a couple of reactions. The first reaction, I know now was an allergic reaction to the egg protein in the flu shot. His eczema showed up out of nowhere at 6 months- almost immediately after his shots (including the flu shot) but sadly, I did not make that connection right away. At a year old, he got his round of shots and then his speech skills vanished. He's not autistic so please don't attack me with all the "studies" that prove there is no connection. What I'msaying is that he was saying a few words and then just stopped. None of the doctors we saw could explain why he suddenly stopped speaking. The sudden regression was terrifying for me and it was impossible not to connect it with the vaccines. I started researching and researching and even the CDC's own list of ingredients scared the crap out of me.

    Whether you believe in vaccines or not, you cannot tell me that you believe injecting formaldehyde, high levels of aluminum, phenoxyethanol, antibiotics (especially since we're struggling with people becoming immune to antibiotics), and random animal parts (that do not belong in our blood stream) is perfectly safe. Not to mention, a lot of vaccines contain latex which is a problem for a lot of people. I have personally witnessed vaccines do more harm than good for both myself, and my son.

    I'm not anti-vax because I do believe in the logic that exposing a body to something helps build immunity- though surely, natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity. I just question the safety of injecting our children with known carcinogens and neurotoxins. Yes, the CDC says these ingredients are necessary and safe but the CDC is also in charge of promoting vaccines so I fail to see how they can both promote vaccines and adequately regulate their safety. It seems like a conflict of interest.

    Our pediatrician is pro-vaccine but respectful of our choices. Not only is she respectful, we had an awesome conversation about how they can still get the viruses even if they're vaccinated and she agreed that the stuff we vaccinate against is treatable and with today's medicine, it rarely causes permanent damage. She had us sign a waiver saying that she offered them but she totally understands why we opted out. She gets them for her daughter though.

    As far as good resources (even though your hubby seems to have remembered why you both made the choice now), I also recommend Dr. Sear's book. He is pro-vaccine but does a wonderful job of providing non-biased information. Also, despite being pro-vaccine, he is unsure that the amount of aluminum in the shots (paired with the number of shots given at once) is wise. He questions the safety and suggests getting shots with the lowest amount of aluminum and spreading the shots containing aluminum out. Again, he's pro-vax but still does not feel that aluminum is "perfectly safe". Reading his book, knowing that he's pro-vax, still left me completely convinced that vaccines are not for us.
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