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I can't seem to find the natural parenting board so I thought I would post here. DH and I decided not to vaccinate and now he is having second thoughts. I am looking for some good reading material on it. If you know of any or can point me in a better direction, please share!!

Thanks so much ladies!!

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I don't think there is a natural parenting anymore!

I found Dr. Sear's Vaccine Book to be a helpful starting off point.
I know there are quite a few Facebook groups about non vaxing that I'm sure share good information, but I'm not a part of any of them to be able to lead you to those sharing good info. But it's a place to start to find articles and research.

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I don't think that board exists anymore, but many women on the Birthing Naturally board either do not vaccinate, or have studied the matter and would have links.

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I don't, at least not yet (we're "still deferring"), but I don't have links handy (I have of course read a metric ton, but I don't keep them handy because I don't really like to discuss the issue--it's SUCH a hot-button topic) but since you're asking I will be happy to see if I can dig some up from my decision-making days Smile I agree with Jackie that Dr Sears is a good place to start, though.

And a natural parenting board would be nice!

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Good for your husband for re-thinking this hugely important step!

Cloth diapering is great for the environment, your pocketbook and your baby's bum. Vaccines are great for keeping your child healthy for her own sake and for the immunocompromised people she may encounter. Be responsible and vaccinate.

Here are a few links for consideration:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/howvpd.htm
http://www.vaccines.gov/more_info/features/five-important-reasons-to-vaccinate-your-child.html
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/WhoAmI/FindOutMore/Yourbody/Whatdoesyourimmunesystemdo/Whyisvaccinationimportant.aspx

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Thanks so much for the help ladies. I haven't read Dr sears book yet so I'll look into that. After DH did some research he quickly remembered why we had decided not to vaccinate to begin with. I was very happy about that. Now our struggle is finding a dr who will see us. Everywhere we have gone so far they won't let us come back once they know we don't vaccinate... Sad

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"CaityA83" wrote:

After DH did some research he quickly remembered why we had decided not to vaccinate to begin with.

And why was that? Just curious.

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I'm also curious as to why you decided not to vaccinate at all? I've read lots of articles about delaying, or skipping certain vaccines. I'm curious why you decided to skip all of them?

* Same question to Leigh if she doesn't mind answering! Smile

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"cactuswren" wrote:

I don't, at least not yet (we're "still deferring"), but I don't have links handy (I have of course read a metric ton, but I don't keep them handy because I don't really like to discuss the issue--it's SUCH a hot-button topic) but since you're asking I will be happy to see if I can dig some up from my decision-making days Smile I agree with Jackie that Dr Sears is a good place to start, though.

And a natural parenting board would be nice!

I also would love a natural parenting board! We do not vaccinate either and it is a "hot-button" subject. We do see a homeopathic doctor who uses oral nosodes for vaccines. You should research them. They are suppose to prep the immune system like vaccines without all the other junk. It is an option that I am comfortable with since DH and I refuse to traditionally vaccinate. You may look into homeopathic options or chinese medicine in your area.

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"CaityA83" wrote:

Thanks so much for the help ladies. I haven't read Dr sears book yet so I'll look into that. After DH did some research he quickly remembered why we had decided not to vaccinate to begin with. I was very happy about that. Now our struggle is finding a dr who will see us. Everywhere we have gone so far they won't let us come back once they know we don't vaccinate... Sad

My best friend just moved to an area where one of the big peds (I think there's only two there!) refuses to see babies if they didn't get the hep B in the hospital! I know SO MANY moms who delay that vaccine - even the very pro vaccine ones!
We've been lucky that so far vaccines and ped appointments are two different things - we go to the immunization clinic on base for vaccines and the ped appt has nothing to do with that. We are occasionally asked if Aiden is "on track" and I reply with "he's on track for our family." Lol

DH and I believe there are waaaaay too many vaccines for such small babies these days. All these vaccines together just has not be studied enough to be able to say they're safe as recommended in our opinions. We've done selective vaccinations so far and have delayed quite a few (most we're willing to go back and have him get slowly once he's much older). There are some vaccines that I think the vaccine risk is much greater than the risk of getting the disease AND it causing problems for our children. And now these days we're having more and more outbreaks of things that are resistant to the vaccines that we made to prevent them in the first place. Apparently herd immunity worked so well that what we thought we were protected against has adapted to overcome our science (like measles where many of such affected children ARE immunized sadly). I think some families feel that there's just too much risk period with any vaccine and would prefer to delay all vaccines for years or all together. Most non-vaxing families know the risks they're taking and are willing to accept them knowing that if their child comes down with something there's a vax for they're responsible for that. My mom didn't understand our stance till I showed her what vaccines she got for me and when (by my childhood records) and then showed her the current CDC schedule. She had zero idea that there were such vast differences. There were quite a few I didn't get till school age or beyond (wasn't "required" back then or it was new).

This is a hot button topic as we all know, but as long as the family has informed themselves I don't care what decision they've made. I don't think there's a wrong or a right decision, just the one you've made that works best for your family. Smile

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"CaityA83" wrote:

Now our struggle is finding a dr who will see us. Everywhere we have gone so far they won't let us come back once they know we don't vaccinate... Sad

Thank God for that! I don't want my children around unvaccinated children. The pediatricians you have visited care about children and want yours to be healthy, too.

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I have read several studies showing how most vaccines were introduced well AFTER the diseases they are supposed to protect against were sharply declining anyway, many due to larger improvements in public health (indoor plumbing, sanitation, water treatment, etc.) and not the vaccines. I have also seen data showing LESS resistance to certain diseases in populations of vaccinated kids than in unvaccinated ones, and increases in things like allergies and other immune problems, the theory being that vaccinations (especially so many and given at such an early age) can disrupt the development of the body's own immune system, which isn't really complete until age 5. There are also many, many cases of demonstrable harm from vaccines in sensitive children (not autism--severe, direct reactions to ingredients in the vaccines). All of this together adds up to me taking a VERY cautious approach to the whole thing. If they are not as effective as claimed and possibly harmful in multiple senses, I definitely want to at least wait and let her immune system do some solid development without interruption while she's so young and in a relatively controlled environment (if we were planning to visit a third world country with something scary running rampant, I would definitely reconsider the risks/benefits in that case). As she grows, I continue to evaluate the situation and make my decisions on a running basis. That's why I say we are "still deferring" and not ruling them all out entirely for the rest of her life. I am most seriously concerned with the onslaught to the infant immune system. Getting a few basics when she's going into school may be a different story. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Caity, here's some links for finding a provider who will respect your concerns: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/providers.pdf I also don't know what the resources are like in your area, but I got my pediatrician recommendation from my birth center.

ETA: Here's one good article that includes a lot of what I mentioned.

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"triplespiral" wrote:

Thank God for that! I don't want my children around unvaccinated children. The pediatricians you have visited care about children and want yours to be healthy, too.

I'm hugely pro-vaccination, yet I have no problem having my child around unvaccinated children. That's why we vaccinate, right? Everyone should do their research and talk to their pediatrician before beginning a vaccination schedule. I fully intended to vaccinate DD on schedule (aside from delaying Hep Dirol but I chose my pediatrician because he was accepting of non/delayed-vaccinating families. It showed me that he gives parents a say in their child's care.

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"triplespiral" wrote:

Thank God for that! I don't want my children around unvaccinated children. The pediatricians you have visited care about children and want yours to be healthy, too.

If vaccines totally protect against disease, you shouldn't have any concerns about your kids being around unvaccinated kids. This thought process has always baffled me.

Anyway, Cactuswren ~ you have totally written my thoughts. I agree with you 100%. Too many vaccines, too soon for a little one's developing immune system. DD 1 proved that to me when she had an adverse reaction to her 1st round of vaccines. That was it for me....no more. My mom, who was pro-vaccinating, changed her mind after seeing Leah's reaction. Horrible screaming hours after the shots were done. That being said, I have friends who vaccinate and I do not blame them for doing so. They have to make the decision for their family and DH and I make it for ours.

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Below states one of the big problems. Natural immunity is going to the wayside and being replaced with vaccinated immunity which isn't nearly as good and requires booster shots. Also, some viruses are mutating because of vaccines and making vaccinated kids sick anyway (example being whooping cough, it has mutated).

?Prior to the universal varicella vaccination program, 95% of adults experienced natural chickenpox (usually as school aged children)?these cases were usually benign and resulted in long term immunity. This high percentage of individuals having long term immunity has been compromised by mass vaccination of children which provides at best 70 to 90% immunity that is temporary and of unknown duration?shifting chickenpox to a more vulnerable adult population where chickenpox carries 20 times more risk of death and 15 times more risk of hospitalization compared to children. Add to this the adverse effects of both the chickenpox and shingles vaccines as well as the potential for increased risk of shingles for an estimated 30 to 50 years among adults. The Universal Varicella (Chickenpox) Vaccination Program now requires booster vaccines; however, these are less effective than the natural immunity that existed in communities prior to licensure of the varicella vaccine.?

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Viruses are not mutating because of vaccines. All viruses mutate over time. Immunity within a population (natural or vaccine-induced) creates selective pressure that may select for viruses that may have qualities that the original virus did not have. There are always going to be deadly viruses. Its just a fact of nature. The only way to eliminate a particular strain is to create a population of people that has a high enough level of immunity (or great enough protection in the case of HIV) for the virus to go extinct. We've more or less done that with some viruses such as small pox and polio.

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Thank you for sharing that article Leigh!

I think I may also need to switch doctors. I have a feeling mine is very hard-core about vaccines and I'm honestly not comfortable discussing the subject with her. *sigh* I really am not happy going there as we had a little uncomfortable appointment about a couple other things too. Now I need to find where I want to go and convince DH to change.

oops, sorry to hijack!

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"Leahgoogle" wrote:

If vaccines totally protect against disease, you shouldn't have any concerns about your kids being around unvaccinated kids. This thought process has always baffled me.

Yes...if you believe in vaccines, you should think that my child is in far more danger from yours than yours is from mine!

"Leahgoogle" wrote:

Anyway, Cactuswren ~ you have totally written my thoughts. I agree with you 100%. Too many vaccines, too soon for a little one's developing immune system. DD 1 proved that to me when she had an adverse reaction to her 1st round of vaccines. That was it for me....no more. My mom, who was pro-vaccinating, changed her mind after seeing Leah's reaction. Horrible screaming hours after the shots were done. That being said, I have friends who vaccinate and I do not blame them for doing so. They have to make the decision for their family and DH and I make it for ours.

I totally agree, and I respect any informed opinion on this topic. I actually really wanted to find a doctor who would talk through all the risks/benefits and studies with me to come up with a plan that I could feel good about--I had not totally made up my mind while choosing a pediatrician--but the best I could find was one who will respect my decisions and not make them for me. And so I slog through all the available research and come to my own conclusions about what I think is best for my own child--and nobody else's! There's a reason I don't even hang on to my research. I want no part in proselytizing either way.

Glad to hear I'm not alone, though Smile

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"tink9702" wrote:

Thank you for sharing that article Leigh!

I think I may also need to switch doctors. I have a feeling mine is very hard-core about vaccines and I'm honestly not comfortable discussing the subject with her. *sigh* I really am not happy going there as we had a little uncomfortable appointment about a couple other things too. Now I need to find where I want to go and convince DH to change.

oops, sorry to hijack!

If you're not comfortable discussing such as important topic with her then you should switch. The sign of a good doctor is one who values the input of the patient and provides information rather than just scare tactics and lectures.

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"triplespiral" wrote:

Thank God for that! I don't want my children around unvaccinated children. The pediatricians you have visited care about children and want yours to be healthy, too.

The others have already said this, but if you believe vaccines will 100% prevent the disease, then you have nothing to worry about. Smile

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"Leahgoogle" wrote:

?Prior to the universal varicella vaccination program, 95% of adults experienced natural chickenpox (usually as school aged children)?these cases were usually benign and resulted in long term immunity. This high percentage of individuals having long term immunity has been compromised by mass vaccination of children which provides at best 70 to 90% immunity that is temporary and of unknown duration?shifting chickenpox to a more vulnerable adult population where chickenpox carries 20 times more risk of death and 15 times more risk of hospitalization compared to children. Add to this the adverse effects of both the chickenpox and shingles vaccines as well as the potential for increased risk of shingles for an estimated 30 to 50 years among adults. The Universal Varicella (Chickenpox) Vaccination Program now requires booster vaccines; however, these are less effective than the natural immunity that existed in communities prior to licensure of the varicella vaccine.?

Sigh. I'm so glad you said this. This is EXACTLY what I tried to argue with my pedi when she was pushing the varicella vaccine, but I couldn't find anything to back up my theory. She assured me that after 2 doses the vaccine would provide lifelong immunity. I was all WTF? How is that even possible? but she seemed so sure of this.
My concern is that the vaccine will wear off at some point....and adults aren't exactly good at getting boosters. So who is going to be getting chicken pox? Adults. The population in which it is supposed to be a more serious disease.

So, they are now recommending more than 2 doses for the varicella vaccine, am I understanding that correctly? And an increased risk for shingles? My pedi assured me that the vaccine completely eliminates shingles, which I again gave a WTF? because I am pretty sure I have been hearing about KIDS getting shingles after having the vaccine, but again, I couldn't find numbers to back it up.

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Check out that link I posted--a lot of your questions are directly addressed in there, with citations.

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I am pro vaccine, for my child and future children it's what i feel is best. I also respect others who for many varied reasons choose that not vaccinating is the best choice for their children. I have a work collegue who chooses not to vaccinate, unless you asked you wouldn't know, so all children are going to come into contact with kids who are and aren't vaccinated and unless you ask the parent of every child your child wants to play with you wouldn't know. I even opt for the hep b at birth, however i do also work in an industry where i can come across clients with hep b and who are not always rational so in that instance i choose to protect my child for the just in case. We all make choices we feel are in the best interests of our children

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"Leahgoogle" wrote:

If vaccines totally protect against disease, you shouldn't have any concerns about your kids being around unvaccinated kids. This thought process has always baffled me.

They can't, unfortunately, that's why herd immunity is so important. Parents who opt not to vaccinate are relying solely on herd immunity and lessening its effectiveness while exposing their children to disease.

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That's actually very much debatable. By scientists with a lot more information than either you or I have. (again, see link) All we laypeople can do is examine the available evidence, think critically, and decide for ourselves what we think makes the most sense. I personally find the evidence questioning this theory compelling. You don't, and that's fine, but nobody here is making a rash decision.

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"BuckeyeK" wrote:

The others have already said this, but if you believe vaccines will 100% prevent the disease, then you have nothing to worry about. Smile

It's not a "belief." Vaccines cannot prevent disease 100% of the time. So therefore there is always a worry about childhood diseases! When you choose not to vaccinate, you're endangering my family as well as your own. That's the reason vaccinating isn't a matter of "doing what's best for your family."

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"cactuswren" wrote:

Check out that link I posted--a lot of your questions are directly addressed in there, with citations.

And this one: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/02/03/the-clueless-cite-the-ignorant/

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I appreciate the link--there is some interesting information in there. I will continue reading some of the cited studies.

However, I don't agree with all of it and I think the overclaiming and vitriol (on BOTH sides) is ridiculous and way over the line, and only serves to obscure the realities and science with the oldest, cheapest debate tricks in the book. Is it too much to ask for believable information from evidence-based sources without all the name calling? The only thing any of us parents want is what's best for our children, and I think we'd all do well to remember that.

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"cactuswren" wrote:

That's actually very much debatable. By scientists with a lot more information than either you or I have. (again, see link) All we laypeople can do is examine the available evidence, think critically, and decide for ourselves what we think makes the most sense. I personally find the evidence questioning this theory compelling. You don't, and that's fine, but nobody here is making a rash decision.

Yes! Vaccine discussion will inevitably get ugly on one side or the other. We can't be 100% sure about anything. DH and I have researched both sides and come up with a decision that is best for our children. The herd immunity thing has been fed to us by pharm companies and the government. It is very debatable. Also, the number of vaccines they are giving now are insane. Look at the schedule, it is ridiculous. By the time our kids have kids it wouldn't surprise me if they are getting one hundred doses of various illnesses rolled compactly into a few shots every few months until they are school aged. That is, if a super-bug doesn't wipe us out first Wink I respect those who don't vaccinate and I don't try and change their minds, but have a different opinion on the subject.

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"Leahgoogle" wrote:

The herd immunity thing has been fed to us by pharm companies and the government.

That's simply not true. Its a concept developed by researchers. All transmissible diseases require a vulnerable population size in order to continue propagating. The debatable part is the exact size of that vulnerable population. Scientists can make educated guesses but there's really no way to know exactly. Each virus or bacteria will have a different requirement based on its ease of transmission, length of infection, lethality, and its ability to survive outside its host.

HIV is a good example. There are (at least) two major types. HIV-1 is the one everyone is familiar with. HIV-2 is pretty much the same thing but it acts much more slowly and is more virulent later in disease. These subtle differences mean they require different vulnerable population sizes.

When the CDC stresses "herd" immunity, they're doing so because its simple logic that a larger protected herd is better than a smaller one, especially when you can't pinpoint the ideal size of the herd.

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OK, I didn't clarify. The vaccine herd immunity that is pushed today is not the same as natural herd immunity. Below explains it in detail. I guess we could debate it forever, but the bottom line is that I think the dangers of so many vaccines with so many additives in so little time is more dangerous than the risk of certain diseases.

"Vaccine ‘herd immunity’ is hit-and-miss; outbreaks of disease sometimes erupt in those who follow recommended vaccine schedules. If they do actually “immunize”, vaccines provide only short-term immunity so, in an attempt to maintain ‘herd immunity’, health authorities hold ‘cattle drives’ to round up older members of the ‘herd’ for administration of booster shots. And on it goes, to the point that, now, it’s recommended we accept cradle-to-grave shots of vaccine against pertussis, a disease which still persists after more than sixty years of widespread use of the vaccine.

Russell Blaylock, MD remarks, “One of the grand lies of the vaccine program is the concept of “herd immunity”. In fact, vaccines for most Americans declined to non-protective levels within 5 to 10 years of the vaccines. This means that for the vast majority of Americans, as well as others in the developed world, herd immunity doesn’t exist and hasn’t for over 60 years.”3

In the pre-vaccine era, newborns could receive antibodies against infectious diseases from their mothers who had themselves been infected as children and re-exposed to the diseases later in life. Today’s babies born to mothers who were vaccinated and never exposed to these diseases do not receive these antibodies. In direct contrast to fear mongering disease “facts” and ‘herd immunity’ theories related by Public Health, most of today’s babies are more vulnerable than babies of the pre-vaccine era. "
http://vran.org/about-vaccines/general-issues/herd-immunity/herd-immunity-the-misplaced-driver-of-universal-vaccination/

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"Leahgoogle" wrote:

I guess we could debate it forever, but the bottom line is that I think the dangers of so many vaccines with so many additives in so little time is more dangerous than the risk of certain diseases.

And that's awesome that you did the research and came to that conclusion yourself. But let's not pretend there isn't fear mongering on both sides. To suggest that the CDC's vaccination schedule is a government conspiracy doesn't assist new moms in making their own decisions. It just plays on their fears and forces them to make an emotional rather than a rational decision.

One thing that mothers NEED to understand is that MDs are sometimes no more informed on the risks and benefits of vaccines than their patients. You can find an MD to back up any claim. If you really want to get to the bottom of the story, go straight to the medical literature not blog posts or websites skewed towards their own agendas.

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There is most definitely fear mongering on both sides. I have personally experienced it with my old pediatrician. I don't think the CDC's schedule is necessarily a conspiracy, but it is out of control. They keep adding and adding and adding vaccines. I used to be like most people and think that the government always works in our best interest. As time goes on, I believe that a lot of what the government does is fueled by money. Look at how many drugs the FDA approves and then black boxes. The rotavirus vaccine has been taken off the market twice. Once for causing strangulation of the intestines (intussusception) and once for an animal virus (pig I think) contamination. The side effects are small in numbers, but it does happen. DD2 just had rotovirus this spring. It is nasty, no doubt. But now she has natural immunity and it didn't cause her intestines harm or her body to be exposed to an animal virus. I won't even go into the government and pesticide use, GMO crops, artificial sweeteners. The list goes on and on, but that is another topic Smile

I agree that mothers need to make their own decisions and you can find any MD to back up any viewpoint. Medical literature is not always accurate and neither are private websites or blogs. It takes a lot of research and many different sources to get a straight answer and even then there is no way to be 100% sure what decision is right. There are risks on both sides of the issue.

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I am pro-vaccine, but I have chosen to delay them by a few months.

My doctor also has his own vaccine squedule. On the walls the exam rooms there is a sheet with the provicial health schedule and beside it there is his. He never gives more than two at once, and only in certain combinations. We are in his office two to three times more often, but I don't mind.

I don't knw what his stand is on not vaccinating, but he has never said anyting when I showed up two months latter to vaccinate my children. There was an incident, where DD had a Staph infection, and my doctor asked that we delay her next round of vaccines for a month. A month latter, when I went back to get her checked, the replacing phisician was all upset that she had not had that vaccine 'in the timeline of the recomended schedule'. When I told him that my regular doctor had asked we delay, he huffed.
When I saw my regular doctor a few weeks latter for said vaccine, I told him of the incident. He brusehd it off, stating that each have their own schedule. The dellay was fine. I think he is laying low among his peers.

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Oh so I know I've been afk from this board for awhile so forgive me for jumping in here of all places. Wink

We do not vaccinate. I had a vaccine reaction at 11 months old (seizures) and DS2 had a couple of reactions. The first reaction, I know now was an allergic reaction to the egg protein in the flu shot. His eczema showed up out of nowhere at 6 months- almost immediately after his shots (including the flu shot) but sadly, I did not make that connection right away. At a year old, he got his round of shots and then his speech skills vanished. He's not autistic so please don't attack me with all the "studies" that prove there is no connection. What I'msaying is that he was saying a few words and then just stopped. None of the doctors we saw could explain why he suddenly stopped speaking. The sudden regression was terrifying for me and it was impossible not to connect it with the vaccines. I started researching and researching and even the CDC's own list of ingredients scared the crap out of me.

Whether you believe in vaccines or not, you cannot tell me that you believe injecting formaldehyde, high levels of aluminum, phenoxyethanol, antibiotics (especially since we're struggling with people becoming immune to antibiotics), and random animal parts (that do not belong in our blood stream) is perfectly safe. Not to mention, a lot of vaccines contain latex which is a problem for a lot of people. I have personally witnessed vaccines do more harm than good for both myself, and my son.

I'm not anti-vax because I do believe in the logic that exposing a body to something helps build immunity- though surely, natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity. I just question the safety of injecting our children with known carcinogens and neurotoxins. Yes, the CDC says these ingredients are necessary and safe but the CDC is also in charge of promoting vaccines so I fail to see how they can both promote vaccines and adequately regulate their safety. It seems like a conflict of interest.

Our pediatrician is pro-vaccine but respectful of our choices. Not only is she respectful, we had an awesome conversation about how they can still get the viruses even if they're vaccinated and she agreed that the stuff we vaccinate against is treatable and with today's medicine, it rarely causes permanent damage. She had us sign a waiver saying that she offered them but she totally understands why we opted out. She gets them for her daughter though.

As far as good resources (even though your hubby seems to have remembered why you both made the choice now), I also recommend Dr. Sear's book. He is pro-vaccine but does a wonderful job of providing non-biased information. Also, despite being pro-vaccine, he is unsure that the amount of aluminum in the shots (paired with the number of shots given at once) is wise. He questions the safety and suggests getting shots with the lowest amount of aluminum and spreading the shots containing aluminum out. Again, he's pro-vax but still does not feel that aluminum is "perfectly safe". Reading his book, knowing that he's pro-vax, still left me completely convinced that vaccines are not for us.