Rockin Green detergent... suds?

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Rockin Green detergent... suds?

For those of you that use Rockin Green... does it actually make suds in your washer?

I know (now) that we have hard water.... but could it be that it is SO hard that it's basically rendering the detergent useless? I'll be back in the State in two weeks time, and I can stock up on Rocking Green hard Rock (or whatever the stuff is called that is meant specifically for hard water) then... but I guess to some extent I want to know that it will make a difference.

My husband, a smoker with a HORRIBLE sense of smell, a complaining about the ammonia diapers again... said the diaper bag (which we now keep open to keep it aired out a bit) almost knocked him off his feet. I've been having to bleach my diapers once every couple of weeks to keep the ammonia at bay... it can't be good for the diapers.

I hope I can find a solution!

So... like I said... does your CD detergent actually make suds during washing? (I have a top loader, so it's easy to check, and I saw NOTHING.)

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I don't think that mine does, we have a front loader and I use very, very little soap. Never noticed suds.

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We have exceptionally hard water and I don't ever see suds. Even when I stripped with Dawn I was surprised by how little sudsing action I saw. But just because you don't see suds doesn't mean its not doing its job. If you're adding more because you think you need to see suds, you could in fact be adding too much detergent and that's what's causing the build up. I typically add a touch less than 2 tablespoons and I'm washing about a medium sized load on the large load setting. I also have a top loader. I wash on "large" to get better rinsing action.

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I don't see suds when I strip with Dawn either (which makes it very difficult to rinse until there are no suds left...). I'm not adding more because of not seeing suds. I've pretty much tried everything... washing with very little soap, washing with a lot of soap, hot rinses, cold rinses, hot washes, cold washes, extra washes, and ten billion extra rinses, rinsing on high water, washing on lower (to increase the "swish" factor), and washing on high water... (and every combination thereof)... and here I am still- ammonia so strong it's knocking my sense-less husband out.

Some days, it feels like the world just hates me. I was just hoping that maybe I could put my finger on something here. But I guess not.

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The only thing that ever worked for me to really get the smell out was the oxy/vinegar soak trick. Did you try that one yet? It built up again pretty quickly after, but definitely did seem to work.

Super frustrating, I know...after all, with that plus permarash, I quit Sad

I still kind of wonder about putting lemishine in the wash. They don't claim you can, but man that stuff is AWESOME for hard water...we put it in with our dishwasher soap and never get spots, and you can sprinkle some in the toilet overnight and the hard water stains just disappear--NO SCRUBBING. I have no idea what it would do to diapers, but...might be worth a last ditch try? Maybe on just one diaper? I don't know...I was seriously considering trying it at the end there.

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Does the heavy ammonia smell coincide with Beni's teething t all? Ronin's urine stinks to high heaven when he is cutting a tooth and I notice a stronger smell in his nappies which can linger. I use a eucalyptus based wool wash for my nappies which is working well, no build up. I also have a way to make Rockin green at home, just haven't got around to it yet.

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I have decided that I hate rockin green with a passion. Used their hard rock for 3 months and never again! I'm not even willing to finish the package I hate it so much. My diapers don't seem clean with it at all. Now that I have an address again, I'm ordering Crunchy Clean online this weekend! It works very well with extremely hard water and if I'm traveling to softer water areas it still works great.

I always lift the lid while the washer is running and check if there's any swirling in the water if that makes sense. Sometimes I have to scoop out some water and look at it and if it's not clear I keep washing/rinsing

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"alwayssmile" wrote:

I have decided that I hate rockin green with a passion. Used their hard rock for 3 months and never again! I'm not even willing to finish the package I hate it so much. My diapers don't seem clean with it at all. Now that I have an address again, I'm ordering Crunchy Clean online this weekend! It works very well with extremely hard water and if I'm traveling to softer water areas it still works great.

I always lift the lid while the washer is running and check if there's any swirling in the water if that makes sense. Sometimes I have to scoop out some water and look at it and if it's not clear I keep washing/rinsing

Yeah, see, I think our diapers seem clean...its just the stink once they get used. I have no idea if it's Rockin Green's fault (I've used it about a year now, I used Allen's Naturally before that, but that was on a different continent, with a different washer, etc). You hear about so many people liking different brands... I was getting ready to maybe try Charlie's soap (I think?), or that Country Save... because I hear a lot of people like those... or my SIL uses soap nuts that she can buy locally... but I remember reading that you need hot water for those and getting hot water to our washer is not an easy feat... but then I hear all the Aussies say they never wash in hot water. I just don't know...

Wendy, I'm not sure about the teething. She is cutting molars now (the dreaded two year ones), which have been a pain for sure... but I don't know if it's made a difference with the diapers or not...

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Being an aussie who uses cold water most of the time for nappies (every now and again I will do a warm wash or the few times I have had to strip wash have obviously been hot) and we don't get many stinkies, mainly when we get that super smelling teething pee and even then I get rid of it asap in cold most of the time if I can get a good wash and sunning in. Could you borrow some soap nuts from your SIL, I have heard amazinf things about them, I just keep forgetting to order them

Also forgot to say, for the cost of Rockin Green I haven't found it to do anything super amazing, though I do buy a sample when I need a good soak for any reason because it does seem to do really well with that

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Mara, I thought at first that it was cleaning my diapers just fine. And then I pulled out my previously heavy used diapers that had been put away when we moved into the apartment (so had never been washed in RnG). I definitely saw a difference! Made me feel so upset that I thought they were looking clean, but they clearly weren't when compared.
I took this picture of two of my Kawaii bamboo inserts. Left was RnG and the right was one we weren't using while in the apartment.

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Hmmm...that is a big difference, Jackie! Maybe I will look into one of the other detergents then.

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"cactuswren" wrote:

The only thing that ever worked for me to really get the smell out was the oxy/vinegar soak trick. Did you try that one yet? It built up again pretty quickly after, but definitely did seem to work.

I still kind of wonder about putting lemishine in the wash.

So, I can't get actual OxyClean, but I have some Tesco brand stuff called Active Oxygen Stain Remover- do you think it's the same? Only the name is in English, the whole rest of the label is in Thai, so I can't get ingredients or anything. What is routine for this oxy/vinegar soak?

I've never heard of lemishine either.

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If you have hard water you should absolutely NOT use Charlies. We started out using Charlies and it was leaving gray streaks on all our clothes. Even if you're only using it on your diapers the fact that it leaves gray streaks means that its leaving something. The company even recognizes that it isn't really meant for those with hard water.

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Wow. that picture is pretty telling, Jackie! I'm glad it wasn't just me with the Rockin Green...I thought there was something wrong with me that a hard water detergent didn't seem to be working!

Charlie's was leaving streaks on our clothes too, but it stopped/reversed when I put softener in (Borax, mostly, although I did buy and go through one package of Calgon).

Lemishine is intended for dishwashers...I had never heard of it either, and then suddenly everyone in town started complaining that their dishes were coming out white--I think it coincided with the removal of phosphates from all the dish soap. Someone mentioned LemiShine, and let me tell you: MAGIC. I was just wondering what it might do in laundry, because it definitely dissolves any and all hard water buildup on hard surfaces with no trouble at all! And is supposedly eco friendly. http://www.lemishine.com/

Oxy/vinegar soak: You can google around, but basically you just let them soak overnight in water with a whole ton of oxyclean and vinegar (it bubbles up and gets kind of hot) and then wash the heck out of them the next day. It really did work for me! But, like I said, it didn't solve the larger problem, and the stink built up again pretty quickly. It was a good stripping method, though. (I bet the stuff you can get is the same as oxiclean. I read somewhere you can buy bulk quantities of the same chemical that oxiclean is made of at pool cleaning supply stores for way cheaper...oxiclean is just a well-marketed brand.)

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OK, will stay away from the Charlie's then!

Jackie, I'm thinking of trying that Crunchy Clean- it's a few dollars cheaper than RG for what appears to be more product! That sounds good to me! And I like that they have a hard water formula.

Thanks, Leigh. I might try any oxy/vinegar thing when I'm getting ready to pack up the diapers for our trip home. DD always ends up in sposies for a few days before a big trip so that I can get everything washed and dried before we leave. So maybe I'll start one day earlier with a soak.

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If you can get ahold of crunchy clean I would try it. I don't know if it works with all kinds of hard water but we had zero issues with the very hard TX water (it was worse than Vegas and I thought Vegas was bad) and it worked when we traveled to AL, TN, and now NC (got a small amount to use for right now). Lol

I'd be careful with using vinegar with hard water. Depending on why it's hard I've heard it could not help at all. However, I've heard good things about oxiclean (I'm sure any oxygen cleaner is fine) and hard water.
http://greenbabiesandglam.blogspot.com/2012/01/prepping-and-stripping.html (though the lady who writes this blog is currently living in Germany and I have no idea what type of water she has, she's just a military wife friend)

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"cactuswren" wrote:

Lemishine is intended for dishwashers...I had never heard of it either, and then suddenly everyone in town started complaining that their dishes were coming out white--I think it coincided with the removal of phosphates from all the dish soap. Someone mentioned LemiShine, and let me tell you: MAGIC. I was just wondering what it might do in laundry, because it definitely dissolves any and all hard water buildup on hard surfaces with no trouble at all! And is supposedly eco friendly. http://www.lemishine.com/

Man, I could have used that stuff the past five years, but never heard of it! lol

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Wow, Jackie, that picture sort of has me thinking I should try something else. I have always used RnG and have been encouraged to stick with it if I have not had any problems, which I haven't. I've been tempted to try another brand, especially if I can save some money. Maybe my next order will have to be for Crunchy Clean. Do you use the one for hard water?

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Yes, I do. The hard water crunchy clean works with softer water too, just use less (worked fine when traveling).
Jackbenatural is who I order from. They said they'll have more in stock later this week.

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Now you've got me all freaked out about my Rockin Green. Thanks, Jackie! I stripped my stash over the weekend because T's been leaking at daycare. I'm not 100% sure its the diapers and not user error but it was worth a shot. I did an OxyVin strip followed by a Dawn strip for good measure. I swear they look a lot brighter. Maybe Rockin Green was gunking them up. I'm almost out of it. Perhaps I'll get my hands on some Crunchy Clean.

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Jackie, is this the stuff: http://www.crunchyclean.com/item_11/Cloth-Diaper-Laundry-Cleaner--Regular-Size.htm?

Why do you order it from another website? Is it hard to get?

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"Marite13" wrote:

Why do you order it from another website? Is it hard to get?

I imagine its because JackBeNatural offers free shipping.

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"TiggersMommy" wrote:

I imagine its because JackBeNatural offers free shipping.

JBN has a surcharge that's added to the price. But usually I'm ordering several things from them and you get their Jack's Cash which saves me money. Wink Oh and within the states SUPER fast shipping.