Breastfeeding Support Thread

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Breastfeeding Support Thread

Now that our moonbeams are showing up en masse, I thought we might need one of these. I know we all don't plan to BF, but for those that are, feel free to post here and let us know how things are going! Nursing like a champ? Rough start? Pumping? Let's encourage one another and brainstorm together when needed!

Some helpful sites:
KellyMom--lots of breastfeeding info and links, complete with a "Can I do this while nursing?" list.

Pg.org's Everything Breastfeeding board

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Great idea!! I do plan to breastfeed (am still nursing my 2yo). We had the usual rough start that most mom's seem to find, but plowed through it. She was/is also a very picky nurser, so I have dealt with lots of frustrations along the way and have had thoughts of weaning many times.

I do hope everyone who wants to nurse can.

Here's something that helped me get through those first few days where it felt like Violet was nursing 99% of the time: http://www.llli.org/FAQ/colostrum.html

Stomach capacity of the newborn
When mothers hear that colostrum is measurable in teaspoons rather than ounces, they often wonder if that can really be enough for their babies. The short answer is that colostrum is the only food healthy, full-term babies need. The following is an explanation:

A 1 day old baby's stomach capacity is about 5-7 ml, or about the size of a marble. Interestingly, researchers have found that the day-old newborn's stomach does not stretch to hold more. Since the walls of the newborn's stomach stays firm, extra milk is most often expelled (spit up). Your colostrum is just the right amount for your baby's first feedings!

By day 3, the newborn's stomach capacity has grown to about 0.75-1 oz, or about the size of a "shooter" marble. Small, frequent feedings assure that your baby takes in all the milk he needs.

Around day 7, the newborn's stomach capacity is now about 1.5-2 oz, or about the size of a ping-pong ball. Continued frequent feeding will assure that your baby takes in all the milk he needs, and your milk production meets his demands.

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Yay!!! I need this thread! BF a preemie is entirely different than BF a full-term baby. He isn't strong enough to suck strong enough to get everything he needs all the time (so sometimes we have to supplement with EBM in a bottle), and sometimes he just wears himself out nursing and falls asleep. Eating for a preemie is like running a mile (so I'm told). But he seems to be getting enough when he nurses since his diapers afterwards are really wet and he seems satisfied for a few hours.

Anyway what Jordan posted is so true! When they first started to give Matthias food through a the feeding tube, it was only 6cc's (same amount she referenced). Now he's up to 40-50cc's per feeding, which is about an ounce and a half. He's only 35 weeks so his belly is a little smaller than a full-term baby, but the amount is about the same. It's fascinating!

Anyone else here have a REALLY strong letdown? Sometimes Matthias chokes on the milk b/c there is so much, and then he's super full after 5-10 minutes. They had me stop pumping before I nurse him so he could learn how to handle the letdown, and so he would get milk quickly and not tire out.

Wow I just wrote way too much, sorry!

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Thanks! Great idea!

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Pumping day six (well five really) and I just got 25cc Sad It's increasing but so slow. Trying not to get frustrated.

She's still on tube feeding and I think she's up to about 50cc now...getting mostly formula but I'm doing what I can.

I have been allowed to try breastfeeding 3 times now and she seems eager and like she know what to do but she will suck once or twice and come off. It's a start I guess. I just have been letting her hang out there while they do the tube feeding hoping she gets the association...

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Julie you are doing great, try not to get discouraged! Pumping is really hard, and it sounds like you are getting a good amount.

If you want to increase your supply, the LC at our hospital recommend (when pumping):

Pump 7-8 times per day, 20-25 minutes each time. Always pump 2 minutes past the last drop.

Massage the breast while pumping. A baby gets milk with sucking and compression, but a pump only really simulates the sucking.

Drink plenty of water.

You are doing awesome! Also with preemies, it's a great start for them to latch on at all in the beginning. It's more for practice than actual nourishment at first. If she is trying and you are pumping, you are both doing fantastic!

Hugs...I know how hard it is.

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Way to go all of you who are pumping. I always thought pumping was way harder.

Meagan as to the forceful letdown and oversupply I had that with Hawkes. I did not know it until later though. I was told that you should nurse from the same side every feed until that breast is empty and then switch. Also to nurse in an upright position leaning back with them vertical on your tummy. Overactive supply is hard enough with a full term baby, I could not imagine with a premie. Something I would also sometimes do is pump or hand exspress till I got past let down and then let him latch.

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I had a horrible experience BFing DD. This time, I've already seen a lactation specialist. I've started hand expressing colostrum (I have an abundance already) that I am freezing to take in when I am induced incase there are similar issues to what S had. I'm already getting MUCH MUCH more than the days after S was born. I'm really feeling positive about it this time around!

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Matt is actually nursing much better than Sara did (which is crazy since she was full term and he is a preemie). He latched on right when he was an hour old and is doing great. We were also supplementing with formula but now that my milk is in, he is just getting breast milk. I am still nursing my 3 year old though and I think that is helping a lot with my milk coming in. Also I have not had any pain and I think that is why as well.

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I only pumped drops the first few times I pumped... nowhere near a teaspoon! But I now know that what I pump is soooo not what baby gets!

My advice if you are only pumping (for whatever reason) is to start out double pumping 8-10 times a day but for 10-15 minutes daily (AND a minute or two beyond the last drop). And you need to pump overnight a couple times for now. Also, you can put the pump parts directly in the fridge. You don't have to clean it every time, BM does not spoil quickly. Just take off the cold bottles and put on new ones before the next round. You can pour cold BM into cold BM from the same day but not warm into cold. Not washing the pump parts will save you tons of time!

Also, gently squeezing downward at different places on your breast can increase what you pump or feed the baby.

As for your mental state... don't pump while staring at a wall. At the very least, watch tv... but learn to make or buy a hands-free bra so you can read or eat or get on the computer during pumping time. The time passes so slowly otherwise and you start to feel the pump is evil. Wink

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Kudos to you moms of preemies who are pumping, nursing, all while juggling everything that is going on! I found pumping to be difficult at best, impossible at worst. I didn't have an electric pump with DS and I ended up choosing hand expression over the hand pump.

I also have a very heavy letdown. I eventually realized what was going on and would let DS suck, unlatch him, let some of the milk squirt out, and then let him latch back on. Sometimes I could even just hold a milk catcher on the other breast and get 1/2 ounce just from my letdown! It was nuts! DS eventually developed a tongue click that I discovered was his way of coping with the amount of milk coming in. The click was him breaking the suction with his tongue after each and every suck. It made NIP interesting when my babe was making lip-smacking sounds!

Good for you who are tandem nursing! I nursed DS for 14 months and then we agreed to wean (he lost most of his interest and I wanted a break). I have to admit I am not sorry that he's been weaned for the last year+ but lately I've been wishing he was still nursing because then the 3 of us could just sit together and be together while the baby is nursing.

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Im pumping ever 3-4 hours around the clock! Right now I have a hate, hate realtionship with my pump. Im having the same problem as Meagan. Since Deegan is a preemie he has a hard time staying awake for more than 5min. So even on the breast, I still have to pump since he only does one side and doesnt empty it. Ugh Im really hoping once he hits 40 weeks he starts nursing like a champ....I cant pump my brains out like this for much longer!

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Well- I'm glad to see this thread too. I seem to have an expert nurser on my hands...who alo enjoys nursing. We've had a few sessions that last near two hours with her switching back and forth between breasts multiple times!! I think she empties one and just keeps going back and forth as they re-fill. What a little oink!!!

My nips are a bit sore but really only when she first latches on...so I think it's just normal getting used to a new sensation kind of thing.

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Well so far so good I think! He latched on and fed very well in the delivery suite but the next couple of feeds he was very lazy, didn't want to suck at all and then he would clamp his mouth shut! The midwives couldn't believe how stubborn he was. So I had some colostrum hand expressed into a syringe to feed him 2ml, apparently my colostrum was already nearly milk...and my milk came in on Thursday night so not even 2 days after. I hate the feeling of engorgement so try to hand express a bit between feeds, it seems my supply is in abundance too! He seems very satisfied with one full side and then only half nurses the other side and he takes himself off all the time. I wake him every 3 hours during the day but at night I let him go a bit longer and he has a 4 hour stretch of sleep and wakes up on queue! He doesn't even cry, just mouths his hands so I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing!

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Crying is the last stage of hunger... watching for the "baby sign language" as we used to call it is recomended. You are truly blessed to be getting a 4 hour stretch already!!!! I can only hope!

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So, I'm totally feeding on demand, by all means...but Beni is sleeping LONG stretches at this point- sometimes 4-6 hours at a time! Is this just a brand new newborn thing? I thought she was supposed to eat every 1-3 hours...and I'm worried about supply/milk coming in (it hasn't yet) if she's not eating for such a long time.

She does have times when she'll eat more often/nearly constantly for a few hours. Am I just overreacting??? Will she start waking up more regularly to eat?

Any advice???

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Mara, you mentioned about the slightly jaundice Beni has...Aaron does too and I'm getting a bit worried as the yellowing is now spreading to his bottom and nearly his legs...they say it works from the top down, face, then torso and if it goes to the arms and legs they need to be under the lights...cross fingers it goes away soon, not sure if I should be feeding him every 2 hours during the day to help that. On my discharge papers, it says bubs should feed 2-4 hourly...hope your milk comes in soon!

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Mara: I would wake her during those 4-6 hour streches. It is good that she is on demand feeding but newborns are notourious for wanting to sleep over eat.

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Yes, jaundice can make them sleepy- so can just being a newborn. I'd wake her by the 3 hour mark. At night you can let her sleep one time for 4-5 hours. You'll only have to do this for a couple weeks, though I doubt she'll stay sleepy that long.

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Hey ladies.Nice to see this thread.

As I've mentioned previously I have a history of breast reduction so breastfeeding is always an interesting and stressful thing for me.

Leyla latched on very soon after birth and was very eager to nurse. This time I did not allow any supplements at the hospital and kept her with me all the time. She was nursing very frequently for only a few minutes then going to sleep. It was rough because the entire time I was at the hospital the longest stretch ofsleep I got was 2 hours, but Ikept going because I wanted the real milk to come in sooner this time. Last time it took over 4 days.

Well, I am happy to report that my milk started coming in last night and is now in on both sides. So this morning she had a nice session on both sides plus I also pumped and gave her the ounce I pumped. She then proceeded to sleep for 3 hours and didn't want to get roused to eat again. I finally got her to eat again now and she's out again so I am going to pump. She's not a preemie but she's tiny so this is all wearing her out. Also her tongue tied (ankyloglossia) so this probably causes her to have to work harder.

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Sounds like you are doing everything right! Smile Yay for earlier milk!! Pumping an oz already is impressive! It only takes about 2.5 oz per side each feeding to be "enough" to EBF even an older baby. Sounds like you are well on your way!

If she doesn't get back to birth weight by 2 weeks you might want to get the tongue-tie looked at.

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I'm starting to hate pumping - seems so pointless to spend 45 minutes attached to this thing and getting less than an ounce. Argh!

She's been latching on a bit but keeps falling alseep - an I just don't know if she's getting anything - she'll down a 2 ounce bottle afterwards...

Not sure what to do from here...

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have you tried Weighing her right before you feed and right after?? I have heard thats a good way to tell if she is getting anything. Also One trick I learned is if she keeps falling asleep Strip her down to her diaper if possible...

I have not tried any of these tricks its just something I have picked up from my LC this time around as tricks to try when baby brother gets here.

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"Marite13" wrote:

So, I'm totally feeding on demand, by all means...but Beni is sleeping LONG stretches at this point- sometimes 4-6 hours at a time! Is this just a brand new newborn thing? I thought she was supposed to eat every 1-3 hours...and I'm worried about supply/milk coming in (it hasn't yet) if she's not eating for such a long time.

She does have times when she'll eat more often/nearly constantly for a few hours. Am I just overreacting??? Will she start waking up more regularly to eat?

Any advice???

Yep, Mara, as pp suggested I would wake Beni every 3 hours, to feed, at least during the day. Feed her more often if she wants of course. You don't want her to be too weak to suckle and be even more sleepy. Plus, during the day is a great time to feed her anyway. Eventually you want her to feed more in the day than in the night, so might as well help her body clock make the distinctions now.

And yes, it's a brand-new-newborn thing. She will wake up! Probably by week 2 she will be demanding a little bit more, to say the least.

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Julie- can you make a few visits to a LC? Mine offer a feeding and weighing room where you can weigh the baby before and after to see how much they are taking in. Thay also rent the same sensitive scales and hospital grade pumps. It would do you some good to talk to one of them too.

Try to do something you like while pumping. Are your hands free? I'm not so sure pumping for 45 minutes is a good thing (unless you only have a single-side pump?)... pumping 15 minutes, taking a break and pumping another 15 minutes might be better.

I breastfed my last child until 10.5 months and I never had any extra. At my best, all I ever pumped was 1-1.5 oz and that was when I was skipping a feeding. What I was able to pump was obviously not what he was able to get directly... it's so hard to tell though! Is she wetting diapers?

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"julieanddanny" wrote:

I'm starting to hate pumping - seems so pointless to spend 45 minutes attached to this thing and getting less than an ounce. Argh!

She's been latching on a bit but keeps falling alseep - an I just don't know if she's getting anything - she'll down a 2 ounce bottle afterwards...

Not sure what to do from here...

Don't worry, what you are able to pump is not a good indication of what baby is getting. Weighing her would be a huge help, if you have a scale available. There is a breastfeeding support center in my area and they let moms walk in and weigh their babies before and after feedings during the week. Do you have anything like that nearby? Or do you have a BFing friendly ped that would let you use their scale for a feed?

If you think she is having problems getting the milk out, you could try breast compressions. Are you able to hand express at all? If you have an electric pump you could try pumping on one side while feeding on the other (tricky, I know). When you have a good letdown it can really help with the pumping. Make sure you are drinking lots of water, too. I found that if I were hungry or thirsty, sometimes my body just would not let down like usual.

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I'm getting in late to this discussion but thought I would join in and see how everyone is doing. Joel is BFing much better than DD did at this age. I had to supplement DD for the first week or two but Joel has been doing great with no supplement and I think my milk just came in. I also found that striping him down to the diaper works better. He also can't stand to have my clothes anywhere near his mouth while he is breast feeding.

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Lace, I'm so glad everything is going so well! Hooray for milk coming in!

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Yes, single pump - it takes forever!

We've gotten into a good routine which has less pumping in it. I am continuing to supplement with formula and if that can decrease great, if not, i'm ok with it.

I nurse her at each feeding then she takes 1.5-2 ounces of formula or mix of formula and bm and then I pump after 3 of those sessions.

Now, dh goes back to work tomorrow and I'm going be running Drew back and forth to preschool and have 2 doc appt this week and 2 school events - pray for me!

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Aaron is nearly 2 weeks old and he still only takes one side. It's not that he falls asleep at the breast, gets relaxed but not asleep, and I'd say 98% of the time he takes himself off. I burp him (he's good at that thank goodness) and I offer the other side but he fights or purses his lips and turns away. He feeds about 15 minutes on that one side and it's about every 2-3 hours he has a feed. I think he's getting enough from one side but I would think he'd want both? He has plenty of poopy/wee nappies, just doubting myself? I also pumped after a couple of morning feeds and got 2oz from the side he fed from (and pumped from the engorged side, can't wait any longer) and pump a couple from that side too (would be more but don't want to empty, just pumping for comfort). I'm just worried that the day he does want both, my breasts wont comply because he's only been feeding from one side...so should I pump that full breast he doesn't have to near empty instead of for my comfort?

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"mishy80" wrote:

Aaron is nearly 2 weeks old and he still only takes one side. It's not that he falls asleep at the breast, gets relaxed but not asleep, and I'd say 98% of the time he takes himself off. I burp him (he's good at that thank goodness) and I offer the other side but he fights or purses his lips and turns away. He feeds about 15 minutes on that one side and it's about every 2-3 hours he has a feed. I think he's getting enough from one side but I would think he'd want both? He has plenty of poopy/wee nappies, just doubting myself? I also pumped after a couple of morning feeds and got 2oz from the side he fed from (and pumped from the engorged side, can't wait any longer) and pump a couple from that side too (would be more but don't want to empty, just pumping for comfort). I'm just worried that the day he does want both, my breasts wont comply because he's only been feeding from one side...so should I pump that full breast he doesn't have to near empty instead of for my comfort?

I am not an expert by any means, but I think as long as you are alternating sides from one feeding to another, your supply and demand will be fine if he wants 2 all of the sudden. Just keep mixing it up and offering both sides. Obviously he is getting enough if he is refusing more and has the wet diapers! Pump for your comfort or other needs but if you keep pumping more than that, your body will keep producing more than that, too. Then you will *have* to keep pumping for your comfort. As long as both are lactating, your body will respond if LO changes his pattern from 1 to 2.

At one breastfeeding support group meeting I went to, the mamas were about 50/50 split between offering 1 side or 2 at each feeding.

Maybe your LO really enjoys the hind milk and needs the fat instead of the quantity?

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Yeah, one side feedings are common though personally, I just can't imagine!! LOL. I don't think Andy EVER popped off with a milk-drunk contentment even after 2 breasts. He always eventually fell asleep after nursing at least 30 minutes. So though I plan on early "insurance" pumping- for others it'd cause oversupply troubles.

You might pump the unused side for comfort until the 3ish week growth spurt though. Maybe then your baby will take a 2nd side.

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Deegan only take 1 side as well. Sometimes 10 min sometimes 20min. I believe he's full because like Michelle he refuses the other side. Today is the 3 day I haven't had to pump. Ahh is so nice not to have to pump every 3 hours. I don't know if my supply adjusted or I really hope my supply didn't decrease. Since deegan was a preemie and on a IV for 2 weeks I had to pump and I was pumping 4oz so I know I had an oversupply.

I'm so happy things are going so well. It's just natural this time unlike with DD. I'm even nursing in public! I never thought I would do that.

We still have to work with my heavy let down, he's still overwhelmed with it and pulls off...is this normal?

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Michelle, I try to lay back and it helps a bit but sometimes he almost chokes comes off and doesn't want to attach again right away, frustrating though, especially if I'm full! I may have to just express some off first. Well it's good to know one side can be normal and I got confirmation from Aaron anyway, I offered the other side and first time he took it but only for a few minutes, then he vomited a fair bit up so I guess he does get enough from one! I had a bit of a lump today on the left side so I missed a feed from the right (expressed though) and let him feed from the left again and I massaged the lump down while he was on and it seems to be a lot better now, was getting sore, don't want mastitis!

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I am feeding one side at a time with Beni. She is eating wonderfully these days. We're still using a timer to make sure she's eating at least every three hours (but generally closer to every 2 hours), and of course, often she gives me signs that she's hungry on much shorter intervals.

Can I just say as a total random comment that it breaks my heart when she spits up? I think it's because I see her doing it and assume that she must feel sick/nauseous like I do when I throw up, which obviously, isn't the case right? I know babies spit up all the time, and I need to get used to it... I think it's just overwhelming how much I want everything to be perfect in her little world. Smile

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I get to join the breastfeeding thread!! Yay! My milk finally came in on Sunday night, around midnight...I gave birth Wednesday evening, so it took longer than I expected. Since then, we haven't supplemented at all. My question is...what is with the cluster feeding? Is this normal? During the day she'll eat every 2-3 hours and be perfectly content between feedings, usually sleeping. At night, the last 2 nights from 1-5 or 1-6 she wants to be at the breast ALL.THE.TIME. I'm exhausted. I know it won't be like this forever, but is it normal??? I googled cluster feeding and it seems its exactly whats going on...

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Malysa, the cluster feeding is very normal! What I've done with Jackson is to offer him the breast every hour or so from 5-9 pm. Its helping to fill him up so that he's not as interested in cluster feeding through the night. Then again, he's been great at breast feeding from day one. My first was much much harder!

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I didn't bf my first...he didn't latch ever so I pumped for about a month. This is a whole new experience for me and I think it's going well. I'm a control freak so I'm trying to go with the flow more and not worry so much. So far so good. She has a weight check today so we'll see.

I'll try the 5-9 thing tonight and see what happens! I posted on my fb last night and I'm already getting responses like "maybe she's not getting enough" or "give her formula"...sigh.

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It's SO normal! Andy was stuck to me for about 4 hours every evening for a couple months. It IS exhausting! A couple reasons for it... you make less milk in the evening so they spend more time with you wanting more. Also, they are stocking up for a longer stretch of sleep during the night (which may or may not occur yet!).

It is a good idea to offer the breast a little more often during earlier hours if the cluster feeding is overwhelming. Or prepare for them and get stuff done earlier. Pick a movie to watch and have drinks and snacks ready, etc. It's hard to do when you have kids to feed and things to do but when you plan on being stuck to the couch, maybe throw dinner in the crockpot or serve dinner earlier, it is easier. Somewhat. Wink

For those who get the cluster feeding in the middle of the night, all I can say is try to plan ways to nap earlier, sleep in a little or find a way to be comfortable enough to at least doze while BFing. Later, 4 to 6 weeks is recommended, you can have someone else give an occassional bottle during the hardest times so you can sleep.

Don't listen to those people who are trying to discourage you already!!!! :mad: BFing is at it's hardest right now and you are doing fantastic!

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I'd say from about 8 or 9pm to midnight or 1am I get the cluster feeding...this time I don't mind because then the girls are in bed and it's not dinner time and I can concentrate on him...so after this he usually sleeps 4 or 5 hours (last night it was 5 hrs 15 mins;damn I was full!), then he'll wake for a feed then go back down for a couple of hours, that's when it's time for the girls to be up and ready for school, he's usually dozing when I get them dressed...am a bit stressed how it's going to be when DH goes back to work because when it's feed time again for Aaron it's time for the girls to be walked to school and DH is taking them right now, next week it will be me so may have to push around the times a bit this weekend to accommodate.

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HELP!

Ok so now im concerned my supply took a huge dip! DS has been having a hard time the last 2 nights wanting for feed all night. I know hes term now and will be more awake and hes 4 weeks so he might be going through a growth spurt but I dont think hes getting enough milk.

Im going on day 5 now without pumping. Hes been only eating 1 side for about 10-15min and at night 15-30min. Well before I was pumping 3-4oz. I pumped this morning for the first time in 5 days just because I was curious how much I was still able to pump. I did it right after a feeding so I knew I wouldnt get very much off the 1 side, but the other side I only got 1oz. What gives? Why would my supply drop so much? Is there any way I can increase my supply?

I also weighed him this morning and he was 7lbs 2oz. At his 2 week check up he was 6lbs 3oz. Is that good weight gain for 2 weeks? Im so confused and worried. Remember im new at this since I didnt BF DD!

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Well, first calm down. The stress isn't good for your milk supply either.

2nd - go get some Fenugreek, it helps. Also you might want to try pumping after everyfeeding. Completely emptying the breast should help to tell it to produce more.

I understand where you're coming from . This was similar to me with my DS too.

There is a prescription med they can give you too if you need it (domperidone and metoclopramide). I did use domperidone with DS to help me out when I went back to work.

You can do this. Not all of us have the most abundant supply like some do. But it's ok, we can help to increase with patience and some help.

Also, consider going to a LC if you need it. They can be so supportive.

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Everything is fine and normal Michelle, you have just hit your first growth spurt. He is not feeding more because he is not getting enough, but in order to up your supply for what he will need as he gets bigger. Also you will not pump much now since all you have is going to him. It really is normal and will pass. How often a baby is eating and pumping are not good way determining how much a baby is getting. as long as their enough wet and dirty diapers and weight gain you are fine. That gain sounds good.

As to feeding on one side only, DS always only took one side and he was fine. In fact starting around six or seven months we went to just one breast every feed and he was fine and nursed until he was 3. Your body will compensate.

As to oversupply hand exspressing a bit before a feed and feeding more upright. It will eventually even out.

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Nearly a pound in 2 weeks is perfect weight gain! It does sound like a growth spurt to me. Give it a couple more days and he should be better satisfied.

You no longer pump as much becasue you no longer demand your body to produce that much- it has adjusted to what your baby eats, which is great.

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Michelle, I can only agree with everything that has been said already, Aaron seems to be having an early growth spurt, did not leave me all day!! I noticed he has filled out his clothes the last few days so I guess he is growing/putting weight on. That weight gain is fine btw!

OK question from me: with letdown, is it supposed to be sore when it happens?? It's only just kicked in the last few days (feeling it happen that is) and I get an ache on both sides as he feeds (so one gives him milk the other leaks) but I don't remember it being painful? The pain doesn't last long (as it's the initial let down) but I worry I could be getting thrush or something. I have no more lumps thank goodness but this sort of pain brings me back to when I got thrush while BF Aleisha. I change the pads enough and I haven't been using Lansinoh at every feed now, I air them out and keep them clean so I don't get a repeat of that horrible time with Aleisha...so is it normal to feel pain at letdown?

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Hang in there, Michelle! You're getting good advice!

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"mishy80" wrote:

OK question from me: with letdown, is it supposed to be sore when it happens?? It's only just kicked in the last few days (feeling it happen that is) and I get an ache on both sides as he feeds (so one gives him milk the other leaks) but I don't remember it being painful? The pain doesn't last long (as it's the initial let down) but I worry I could be getting thrush or something. I have no more lumps thank goodness but this sort of pain brings me back to when I got thrush while BF Aleisha. I change the pads enough and I haven't been using Lansinoh at every feed now, I air them out and keep them clean so I don't get a repeat of that horrible time with Aleisha...so is it normal to feel pain at letdown?

I don't have a painful letdown. Its more tingly than anything. Sorry I can't be more help!

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Anything else I can do to encourag emy milk to come in faster? Caleb nursed right away after birth for an hour and did so every 2-3 hours all day yesterday, but by night he was really frustrated and unsatisfied with the colostrum. After hours of him screaming and refusing the breast and really getting worked up, I sent DH to the store for formula--which shows how deperate I was because Adam never tasted a drop. I really think he is desperately hungry. I have the unopened package of formula now and want to return it. If we get deperate though I think I will give him small amounts with a dropper. Just until the milk comes in. This was never an issue with Adam as he just loved the colostrum.

I'm pumping, I had 1 tea bag of MMtea and just had that. I'm eating lots, drinking like crazy, offering the breast ALL THE TIME but he is probably only actually taking it every 3 hours even though I'm offering it at least every 2.

With Adam I think my milk came in the night we came home from hospital--so about 72 hours pp. I'm onlyat about 36 right now and super discouraged.

I've tried searching kellymom but I can't find anything and time is at a premioum right now.

Mara, I know you just went through this, what worked for you?

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((HUGS)) Susan. I know a lot will disagree with me but I don't think supplementing is the end of the world.
(MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - PLEASE NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE)
I remember being there with my son. He cried for days and was so hungry. In the end he lost so much weight and his jaudice was so bad he was hospitalized for 3 days. I swore then that if we were to have another child I would supplement vs. let my child starve. Of course I didn't have much choice in supplementing Daisy due to her being in the NICU but we are not having any issues at all going back and forth between bottle and breast...

ETA: I also want to say that it is still so early - I bet you will be able to hold out a bit longer if you choose, wishing you the best!

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I'm starting to see Daisy take less of her formula! This is really exciting! Given my previous experience I didn't think we would be successful. Then having her early and in the NICU was another struggle.

I actually nursed her this morning (7:30) without a supplement and she's still sleeping! (It's almost 10am). Most feedings she is still taking formula but less than 2 oz.

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Susan- you can massage your breasts up above your areolas prior to feeding and then continue with some downward gentle pressure while BFing to encourage movement of the thick colostrum.

It usually isn't a case of MILK IS HERE!!! but more like making 10 ccs more, slightly thinner milk each time. Best thing is nursing often. Hang in there! This is the hardest part!

Don't be too hard if you give in to a little formula... but keep it small... no more than 1/2 oz supplement after or during a BFing. And not every time... only when he's fussy.

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