Forceful Letdown makes Lazy Baby?

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Forceful Letdown makes Lazy Baby?

Okay.. so I have a forceful letdown. I did last baby as well. It's bad enough, though, that reclining my position doesn't help her from gasping just about every nursing session. One thing, though... she's started to get sort of fussy a few minutes after let down is complete. Usually this is how our sessions go:

I get her latched on. Sometimes I have to re-latch her. Her suck is very strong right away and I'm still a bit tender at latching. After about 30 seconds (sometimes sooner, sometimes a little later) I start to need to breathe deeply and clutch the breast she is not on because let down is happening and is still VERY painful. (I still have it randomly between feeds as well... like right now. :ouch: ). This usually lasts for about a minute. Then about the 5 minute mark it goes one of two ways. Either I have another painful letdown (slightly less painful than the first) for about 30 seconds, or she starts to un latch and seem irritated that the nipple isn't maintaining shape. She relatches but doesn't get a good seal and slips off without trying to. She's not pulling or biting, but seems irritated non-the-less. It's like she doesn't even want to try. At this point I try to use compression to squirt a little in her mouth so that she'll taste it and hopefully start trying, but it's no luck. Giving her the binky suffices and the session is ended.

Would you say this sounds like lazy baby? My DH thinks so. How do I fix this?

Last night she was pretty much attached all night long, though We went about maximum 20 minutes after one session ended before she wanted the next, so I know my supply is gonna get bigger very soon. She also did this this afternoon for a few hours. I just would prefer to have her latched for longer than 10 minutes and not have it end in this deflated nipple issue. ETA my breast is not empty when she does this, I feel like there's still milk and I'm able to express just using very gentle compression.

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I have a forceful letdown as well. My dd had the hardest time with it (boys seemed to keep up better lol), they all would choke for the first few months, almost every feeding, but she would just get so mad and frustrated. My babies all only nursed less than 10min every feeding, sometimes only 5 (just one breast per feed). I could always get milk out after, but that was their limit, I guess. Does she seem full enough after? I know my kids ate more often than others that nursed, probably because they did eat less per session, but it all worked out fine. Smile

It could be lazy baby, but she could just be frustrated too. I'm sorry I don't have any suggestions though. I know it got better for us at about 4-6mo, it seems, its been too long. I hope you find something that helps.

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I can pretty much ditto Rachel Smile I have a forceful letdown and my kids are only at the breast a relatively short amount time, 15 minutes is pretty much the max.
Could she just be full? DS2 starts fussing at the breast and unlatching/relatching/unlatching when he's full. I find if I end the session he's fine and not hungry again until the next feeding. The frequency seems like it could be a growth spurt? Have you tried different nursing positions?

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"mandi04" wrote:

Could she just be full?

Possibly.. She accepts the binky, no problem, when she's doing this.

"mandi04" wrote:

Have you tried different nursing positions?

Yes. Football hold is the best for not letting her slip, but she still does. Since my nipple pain is all but gone (except I still have occasional vasospasms), I'm nursing her in cradle again because it's easiest for my back and to deal with the 2 year old. I'm not as able to multitask when in football position.

And I have to add, that suddenly.... we can nurse in LAYING DOWN position!!! Yahoo I'm so thankful for this achievement! :mrgreen:

So I asked this on the August BB, hiding in a thread about my mild to moderate PPD.. but I'll ask here, too.

She pooped a shale green yesterday. Does this mean too much foremilk?

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Yes, consistently greenish poops often mean too much foremilk. You could try pumping just a bit prior to latching and see if LO likes that better.

Also my DD was a very fast nurser and I had a forceful letdown too. Nursing sessions were never more than 10 min. You could get a small scale and see how much she is drinking in a session to see if she is getting a reasonable amount.

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"Nell4Him" wrote:

Okay.. so I have a forceful letdown. I did last baby as well. It's bad enough, though, that reclining my position doesn't help her from gasping just about every nursing session. One thing, though... she's started to get sort of fussy a few minutes after let down is complete. Usually this is how our sessions go:

I get her latched on. Sometimes I have to re-latch her. Her suck is very strong right away and I'm still a bit tender at latching. After about 30 seconds (sometimes sooner, sometimes a little later) I start to need to breathe deeply and clutch the breast she is not on because let down is happening and is still VERY painful. (I still have it randomly between feeds as well... like right now. :ouch: ). This usually lasts for about a minute. Then about the 5 minute mark it goes one of two ways. Either I have another painful letdown (slightly less painful than the first) for about 30 seconds, or she starts to un latch and seem irritated that the nipple isn't maintaining shape. She relatches but doesn't get a good seal and slips off without trying to. She's not pulling or biting, but seems irritated non-the-less. It's like she doesn't even want to try. At this point I try to use compression to squirt a little in her mouth so that she'll taste it and hopefully start trying, but it's no luck. Giving her the binky suffices and the session is ended.

Would you say this sounds like lazy baby? My DH thinks so. How do I fix this?

Last night she was pretty much attached all night long, though We went about maximum 20 minutes after one session ended before she wanted the next, so I know my supply is gonna get bigger very soon. She also did this this afternoon for a few hours. I just would prefer to have her latched for longer than 10 minutes and not have it end in this deflated nipple issue. ETA my breast is not empty when she does this, I feel like there's still milk and I'm able to express just using very gentle compression.

This is word for word what Alex does, girl! No joke! He is also up most the night wanting to nurse every hour and half I think b/c he isn't having longer nursing sessions during the day. During the day though, he will nurse his ten minutes, he's gotten better at handling the let-downs, they are still forceful and painfull for me but he doesn't gag as much anymore, he may let lose during them but latches right back on. But during the day, he is content to play between feedings (not sleep) and at night, he is fussy between feeding b/c I think he is sooo tired yet still hungry. Beee He has never had a green poop though so I think he's getting hindmilk and I think overall, he is eating well and he's definately gaining weight, we are just both exhausted.

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"mandi04" wrote:

I can pretty much ditto Rachel Smile I have a forceful letdown and my kids are only at the breast a relatively short amount time, 15 minutes is pretty much the max.
Could she just be full? DS2 starts fussing at the breast and unlatching/relatching/unlatching when he's full. I find if I end the session he's fine and not hungry again until the next feeding. The frequency seems like it could be a growth spurt? Have you tried different nursing positions?

I have been chucking Alex's up to growth spurt...
And I just realized I just was a thread stealer! Sorry Janelle, wanted to let you know you are not alone! Smile

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No problem, Becca. Biggrin