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$500 reward for turning in your neighbors

New York offers $500 reward for reporting illegal gun owners | Fox News

NY State is offering a $500 reward for turning in gun violations. Is this a good or bad idea?

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Turning in people doing illegal activities? Why is that bad again?

Oh is it the reward?...good incentive.

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Sounds like a huge waste of tax money. How would the neighbor know if they are illegal or not? So what if everyone starts calling the hotline on the chance they might get $500, how many man hours are the police going to have to spend to follow up on all these tips that are probably bogus anyway?

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It is turning neighbour against neighbour. It is not the people's job to enforce a law that the majority of the people do not support. This has become a HUGE issue in the area of NY that I grew up. It is very rural and not like the rest of NY. Two people that I know personally have already been arrested by NY's new gun laws. One guy that I knew growing up (former military) had some ammo in his car (no gun, just ammo). He did not know he was not allowed to do this. He has been sentenced to more years in prison than if he had either raped someone or murdered them. The situation has spiralled out of control and the answer is not to get neighbour to turn against neighbour.

I will say though that at least in that part of NY, the people have banded together. Huge FB campaigns to raise the money for excellent lawyers and defences.

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They don't get the reward unless an arrest is made.

State: $500 reward for turning in illegal gun owners - WRGB CBS6 - Top Stories

Sorry your friend got arrested but he needs to know the law. If this is such big news that the community is rallying with facebook pages...shouldn't he have known this?

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"Jessica80" wrote:

They don't get the reward unless an arrest is made.

State: $500 reward for turning in illegal gun owners - WRGB CBS6 - Top Stories

Sorry your friend got arrested but he needs to know the law. If this is such big news that the community is rallying with facebook pages...shouldn't he have known this?

Ya but the man hours spent to check it out will cost taxpayer dollars whether an arrest is made or not.

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What would the motivation be to call on people if you weren't at least somewhat certain they were holding guns illegally?

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"Jessica80" wrote:

What would the motivation be to call on people if you weren't at least somewhat certain they were holding guns illegally?

Anyone who has a beef with their neighbors.

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Then they could have always done that. If they aren't possessing guns illegally then the caller gets nothing. Just like it used to be.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

Sorry your friend got arrested but he needs to know the law. If this is such big news that the community is rallying with facebook pages...shouldn't he have known this?

They did not start to rally around him until after he was arrested.

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Apparently this tip line has been around for a few years already.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

They did not start to rally around him until after he was arrested.

i misread it the first time. I thought you meant that everyone on FB was saying how awful the laws were.

If they all thought it was awful....they would have had to known this exists right?

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If my neighbor was selling drugs out of their house or had kids living in tents in the backyard, I would call the police on them. Is it just because it's a gun that's it's somehow wrong to call the cops on your neighbors?

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Of course. Guns are the best thing EVAR. Der.

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As easy as it is to obtain a gun legally I can't understand why you wouldn't report anyone with an illegal firearm. If it's illegal, does that mean it is stolen? Or would it include other reasons?

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

As easy as it is to obtain a gun legally I can't understand why you wouldn't report anyone with an illegal firearm. If it's illegal, does that mean it is stolen? Or would it include other reasons?

It does not mean that it is stolen. This reward system might have been in place for awhile, but the gun laws are new. These are not new guns, but guns that people have for years, but NY just recently made illegal after the recent school shooting.

ETA - Both of the arrests that I mentioned earlier were for guns/ammunition that were completely legal last year.

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So, you're saying that if they change a law no one should report it because it used to be legal?

Slavery used to be legal but if you knew your neighbor had a slave are you not going to report it?

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"Jessica80" wrote:

They don't get the reward unless an arrest is made.

State: $500 reward for turning in illegal gun owners - WRGB CBS6 - Top Stories

Sorry your friend got arrested but he needs to know the law. If this is such big news that the community is rallying with facebook pages...shouldn't he have known this?

Ok what about illegal aliens then

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what about them?

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I don't think that there is a reward here. But this thread gave me the idea to call in all of my neighbors just in case.

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"Rivergallery" wrote:

Ok what about illegal aliens then

Dude if I saw some aliens I would totally be calling dateline or something. STAT, mofo. US weekly? 60 minutes? Who does aliens these days? Scientology?

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"Potter75" wrote:

Dude if I saw some aliens I would totally be calling dateline or something. STAT, mofo. US weekly? 60 minutes? Who does aliens these days? Scientology?

Deport them back to Mars!!! Can you imagine if they were illegal gay aliens?

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Assuming she meant illegal immigrants, I'll bite.

It's far more likely that I would know if my neighbors were selling drugs or keeping children in tents in the backyard than if they were here illegally. Next, I would weigh the risk. How much danger is my neighbor putting my family in? Some things my neighbors do may be a nuisance but it's not illegal; some things may be illegal but not a threat to me or my family.

Drug dealing, drinking and driving, shooting firearms into the air, burning trash in the backyard, etc. need to be reported. A loud party, smelling pot, sparklers on the 4th or July, etc., while may be something I could report, I'm not going to.

Really, I'm not in a position to call the police for illegal immigrants. In my profession, it's don't ask/don't tell. I'm going to take the same approach with my neighbors. Assume they are here legally because I have no reason to believe otherwise.

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Thanks Ethan for taking a higher road... Why not take the same approach with a gun that may or may not be "illegal".
Maybe we just live in way different areas, because I would NEVER call on anyone with a gun unless they threatened me with it. I would never call for burning trash either.
But I would call for those things if I lived in the city maybe.. depends what the person was doing with the gun.

I brought up Illegal immigration because it is another law that people you know might be breaking.. do you turn in your neighbor.. where is your line? That was my point.. again different people draw the line in different places.

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double pst

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"Rivergallery" wrote:

Thanks Ethan for taking a higher road... Why not take the same approach with a gun that may or may not be "illegal".
Maybe we just live in way different areas, because I would NEVER call on anyone with a gun unless they threatened me with it. I would never call for burning trash either.
But I would call for those things if I lived in the city maybe.. depends what the person was doing with the gun.

I brought up Illegal immigration because it is another law that people you know might be breaking.. do you turn in your neighbor.. where is your line? That was my point.. again different people draw the line in different places.

I guess that's what it all boils down to. Our preceived risk v. not making waves with the neighbors.

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What EW said. I don't care if you call on someone who is here illegally. Honestly. I completely hate our immigration policies and want them to change but I also believe in following the laws that are set. I probably wouldn't call on a neighbor unless I thought they were going to do something with that gun they have illegally. However, I don't quite get the outrage about reporting on others doing illegal activities.

For the record, I have called on : suspicious cars and door to door salespeople (not kids with candy bars nor people who identify as living on my street) as they are not allowed to solicit door to door in my town and it's usually some stupid scam. I've called on reckless driving as well.

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Funny random story. We once called the police about a suspicious car parked across the street from our house for a prolonged period of time. It really freaked us out. My husband was going to go run some errands and didn't feel comfortable leaving with that car still out there. He had to call the police twice and the second time they fessed up that it was an undercover operation focusing on the train station across the street!

Anyway this tip line was created in early 2012. They recently decided that they needed to make people aware of it, and are targeting specific areas that have high crime rates. It's not like you can make a phone call and watch the police come after your neighbors. You make a call and they take down the info and then go investigate, which can sometimes mean looking up official records and not showing up at your neighbor's house demanding to see paperwork. It doesn't pit neighbor against neighbor, it helps people who are afraid because their neighbors are illegally armed.

We'll see what happens now that the word is out there more than it was, but my guess is that people will be too intimidated to use it anyway.

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If you feared for your safety and wanted to turn your neighbour in because you felt they were not safe, you would not need a $500 reward. A $500 reward encourages people who would not have other wise turned someone in to do so.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

If you feared for your safety and wanted to turn your neighbour in because you felt they were not safe, you would not need a $500 reward. A $500 reward encourages people who would not have other wise turned someone in to do so.

No but you'd need a tipline.

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Shoot, I called my neighbour in for washing paint into the gutter. Polluting a$$hole. The fire dept showed up and everything. Blocked him in his driveway, inspected all the chemicals in his garage and gave him a nice big fine Smile

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

If you feared for your safety and wanted to turn your neighbour in because you felt they were not safe, you would not need a $500 reward. A $500 reward encourages people who would not have other wise turned someone in to do so.

The thing is...I think too many people just feel like they shouldn't "bother the police" with this stuff...heck it was said here on this thread or they don't feel like taking the time to report illegal activities. I think this is a great motivator for both reasons.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

The thing is...I think too many people just feel like they shouldn't "bother the police" with this stuff...heck it was said here on this thread or they don't feel like taking the time to report illegal activities. I think this is a great motivator for both reasons.

On the flip side, there are a lot of people that call 911 for EVERYTHING. I have a girlfriend that is a 911 dispatcher, her stories are wild

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oh absolutely true. We have a non urgent line that i prefer to call. It is good for reports like that. Sort of like this tip line and not quite the 911 line.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

Funny random story. We once called the police about a suspicious car parked across the street from our house for a prolonged period of time. It really freaked us out. My husband was going to go run some errands and didn't feel comfortable leaving with that car still out there. He had to call the police twice and the second time they fessed up that it was an undercover operation focusing on the train station across the street!
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Hahaha! This happens way more than you would think Smile

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"Jessica80" wrote:

oh absolutely true. We have a non urgent line that i prefer to call. It is good for reports like that. Sort of like this tip line and not quite the 911 line.

We have a non 911 number we can call as well.

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Yeah, we have a 311 line. Anything to do with the city you can call and they'll direct you to the correct resource, even 911 if they deem it to be a true emergency.

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Funny. 311 is the number for the city here as well.

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Wish we had a 311 line. I called the police line a couple months ago when my car was broken into, they made me hang up and call 911 even though it wasnt an emergent situation

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

It is turning neighbour against neighbour. It is not the people's job to enforce a law that the majority of the people do not support. This has become a HUGE issue in the area of NY that I grew up. It is very rural and not like the rest of NY. Two people that I know personally have already been arrested by NY's new gun laws. One guy that I knew growing up (former military) had some ammo in his car (no gun, just ammo). He did not know he was not allowed to do this. He has been sentenced to more years in prison than if he had either raped someone or murdered them. The situation has spiralled out of control and the answer is not to get neighbour to turn against neighbour.

I will say though that at least in that part of NY, the people have banded together. Huge FB campaigns to raise the money for excellent lawyers and defences.

If the majority of the people do not support the law, obviously the majority of the people are not calling the police. What is the problem, exactly?