10 lessons learned from this election

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11-07-2012, 03:38 PM
AlyssaEimers

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Originally Posted by mom3girls

I think this is the kind of arrogance that is the propelling force behind the divide in this country.

I was thinking that it reminded me of Biden during the VP debate. It was not that he was being so rude, it was that he had the attitude that he was only there to govern the side he agreed with. That the wants and needs of the rest of the country do not matter.
11-07-2012, 03:43 PM
Jessica80

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

I also wanted to point out that if you live in an area that went mostly blue, you might be slightly out of touch with how angry the rest of the country is.

Do you think there are no hard core Republicans here? I can assure you there are. I'm very aware of how "angry" people are. I think it's just time to collect ourselves and get back to business instead of ranting and raving about what happened.
11-07-2012, 03:45 PM
AlyssaEimers

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Originally Posted by Jessica80

Do you think there are no hard core Republicans here? I can assure you there are. I'm very aware of how "angry" people are. I think it's just time to collect ourselves and get back to business instead of ranting and raving about what happened.

We were asked what we thought of the 10 things in the OP. Now you know what we think of the 10 things in the OP.
11-07-2012, 03:56 PM
GloriaInTX

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Originally Posted by Jessica80

Do you think there are no hard core Republicans here? I can assure you there are. I'm very aware of how "angry" people are. I think it's just time to collect ourselves and get back to business instead of ranting and raving about what happened.

Sorry you picked the wrong President if you expect getting back to business is going to solve anything. We are just going back to the same deadlock that we have been in, and Obama is too arrogant to try to work together to resolve anything or do anything about it. So I guess we will get back to the business of NO budget and going off the financial cliff.
11-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Jessica80

Gloria~I meant our everyday business. Our personal business.
11-07-2012, 05:37 PM
smsturner

Wow. I feel the sour grapes on this one. lol I'm surprised at how angry people are... I still just don't see what is so bad about him. Even if i love someone, i'm not blind to the faults of them... And i just don't see the downsides everyone is upset about.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

Where to go with this? I would like to ask you how did you feel 8 years ago when Bush won a second term? Would you have been pleased with the attitude "We won, deal with it?" I am sure there were some that had that attitude, but did you appreciate it? There is a ton of hurt and anger on the Republican side of the line right now. You have to remember almost 50% of the country did not vote for Obama and many of them felt passionate about how they were voting for. On my FB wall this morning there is a deep sense of mourning. IMO, it will take nothing short of a miracle to unite the country after such a hateful election.

No one said that. It said 'america is diverse, deal with it'. That is def not the same.

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Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

I think this map says it all. People that live in these huge urban areas think they know what is best for everyone and the government should take care of you, and people in the rest of the country think people should take care of themselves.

This really doesn't make any sense at all. They don't think they 'know what's best for everyone'. There are just more people there. Should these people in cities be worth half a vote because they don't take up enough land mass?? That's just silly. The greater amount of people should decide what way to move. And that's what happened here.

ETA: I am just totally disgusted with the idea that anyone feels it's alright to call other women murderers, or say they 'suck their baby's brains out' simply because of a different way of looking at things. Do you hate anyone that could have had to make this choice? If your sister had to do it (or wanted to) would you want her arrested and tell her she is a murdering baby-brain sucking monster? I REALLY REALLY liked the rule on the old abortion debate board that we would refrain from calling it murder. What if one of the women here had to make such a hard choice? Maybe it wasn't an easy choice, but one between her life or the fetus'? Talk about a way to chase off potential debaters. I wouldn't hang out where someone kept calling me a brainsucking murderer! (PS. I KNOW a bunch of you will puff up at this. but i do have a point. we don't let people here insult others, why is ok to call people this if we don't even know if one of these women is here?)
11-07-2012, 05:47 PM
myyams

Re your number 2, I can't believe you feel this way about people. You really think this about all people making more than 250K? I am kind of shocked by some items on your list.

or maybe I can't understand your tone?

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Originally Posted by Rivergallery

10 things I learned on this election

1. Lots of people believe sucking the brains out of a baby is a choice a person can make for someone else.
2. Those making over 250 thousand a year are greedy bastards.
3. It is ok to be a Catholic and say you disagree with the tenants of your faith, but if a Mormon says that he won't legislate all his beliefs noone believes him.
4. We should let anyone into our country.
5. We should work for the government, not the government for us.
6. We need the government for everything, from food, to gas, to healthcare and schools.
7. We shouldn't care that we are working and the government is spending all our money on others that don't care to.
8. War is evil, but ok if you are Obama.
9. Republicans are evil because they spend too much on the election, even though they spent about 1/2- 1/4 of what the Dem nominee spent.
10. The government is the ONLY source of relief for those in need.

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Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

2. Not only are they greedy bastards but they should be giving all their money to those in 7.
11-07-2012, 06:37 PM
Alissa_Sal

myyams - I believe it is supposed to be sarcastic, as if to say that those of us who supported Obama believe those things. The whole list is a pretty gross distortion of what I believe, but I'm not going to bother debating it because I actually DO understand that Republicans are angry and sad today. I remember feeling that way in 2004 when Bush won. More than anything, I was just so confused and upset because I really thought that most people saw what I saw and felt the way I felt about the Bush administration, and here was our chance to change it and get our country on a better path. I cried like a baby when Bush won again; I just couldn't even believe it! So I think I do get the anger and sadness that Republicans are feeling today. I've been there, and it sucks.

I guess more than anything, I just wish we could stop thinking of each other like we're the freaking boogymen or something. I look at that list that Rivergallery posted, and I think "Jeez, if you really believe that's what I stand for, you must think I'm a seriously nasty peice of work." And I'm sure that Republicans have seen plenty of distortions of their own beliefs from liberals that make them feel the same way. I wish we could stop doing that to each other, and accept that we're all fairly decent human beings who just have different ideas about the role of government. I'm not the enemy. You're not the enemy. We're both good Americans that did our civic duty and got out there and voted.
11-07-2012, 07:16 PM
ethanwinfield

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

I know many of you do not believe abortion is wrong, or that an unborn baby is a baby. Please pretend with me that you do believe that an unborn baby is a baby. The same as a child that is already born with the same rights as any other child. (I know many do not feel this way, but to get you to see the other side) Then pretend that the newly elected president was in support of slaughtering any child for any reason. Would you not mourn the election of said president? Would you not mourn the death of millions of children over the next 4 years? If the president did not share any of your values? If he fought for everything you felt was wrong? Did not fight for things you felt were vitally important?

As I said before, the country is very divided right now. It will take much to fix that. I do not believe if a candidate was far to the right won, and was open about wanting to ban all abortion for any reason, ban all same sex marriage, and on other conservative social issues, that the liberals on this board would not be deeply upset by the outcome of the election.

The abortion analogy is quite a stretch. The SCOTUS ruling was in 1973. Between 1973 - 2003 there were 330 anti-abortion proposals. To think Romney had the power to get another amendment passed when there have been 7 prior presents who haven't is...well I don't know.

But I'll play along.

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Then pretend that the newly elected president was in support of slaughtering any child for any reason. Would you not mourn the election of said president? Would you not mourn the death of millions of children over the next 4 years?

You mean like those who mourned Bush's re-election because of all the deaths in "the war on terror"?
11-07-2012, 07:25 PM
ethanwinfield

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Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

I think this map says it all. People that live in these huge urban areas think they know what is best for everyone and the government should take care of you, and people in the rest of the country think people should take care of themselves.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...30329924_n.jpg

The same is true for the "red" areas. Based on your map, why didn't Romney win? And why did MO, IN, and WV elect democrats for senate?

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