10 lessons learned from this election

I was wondering what form the trashy gloating was going to take. Alissa is right.

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Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal

I guess more than anything, I just wish we could stop thinking of each other like we're the freaking boogymen or something. I look at that list that Rivergallery posted, and I think "Jeez, if you really believe that's what I stand for, you must think I'm a seriously nasty peice of work." And I'm sure that Republicans have seen plenty of distortions of their own beliefs from liberals that make them feel the same way. I wish we could stop doing that to each other, and accept that we're all fairly decent human beings who just have different ideas about the role of government. I'm not the enemy. You're not the enemy. We're both good Americans that did our civic duty and got out there and voted.

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I totally agree with this. I hate that people think i'm so evil. I don't understand the far right, and I don't agree with them, but I definitely don't think they are bad people or that they are evil. Hell, every other person on either side of my extended family, and some of tom's are super conservative. I have a bit of fun arguing with them. But I still love them, and can see some of their points without agreeing. And i certainly don't believe anyone is a murdering baby-brain sucker!

Or, in the words of Jon Stewart:
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Originally Posted by Spacers

1. America is diverse. Deal with it.
2. Don't attempt illegal nonsense to subvert the democracy.
3. The electorate did not fall off a turnip truck.
4. Pandering to the "base" is perilous. The Republican Party has a tea party problem because it has allowed itself to.
5. "Trust me" doesn't get it done.
6. If you must pander, do not alienate large chunks of voters in the process. The Republican Party should not have the gender gap and the "race gap" that it has.
7. The system self-corrects.
8. "We've got to fix that." As an aside, President Obama commented Tuesday night on the flaws in our electoral process that produce the enormous lines, disenfranchisement and disillusionment about our democracy. It's not an aside, it's vital.
9. Retail politics still matters.
10. Nate Silver is a freaking genius.

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Alissa nailed it when she talked about gross distortions. The reaction she had to Rivergallery's list is quite similar to the reaction I had to this list.

1. Um, yeah, we know. Lots of us are cool with that. Gross generalization that Repubs are scared of differences.
2. Illegal nonsense. Right, 'cause we ALL love illegal nonsense and certainly the other party would not go there!
3. Don't actually know anyone who thinks that. And, if the "electorate" fell off the turnip truck, I guess that would include both sides, no?
4. Pandering to the base - the author knows that went both ways, right?

And so on, and so forth. It's just crap. Why do people think it's okay to act as if the "other" side is stupid? ARGH! There are lots of really good people on both sides, who just want the best for their country and for their families.

And, why can't we let people have a day or two to deal with disappointment instead of launching into opinions about how they need to get a grip, etc? Voting on the person who is in charge of your country, who sets the tone for what is accepted and "right" for millions of people, is a big deal...

I'm fine with anger, disappointment, sadness. I'm not okay with getting FB messages about how "f'ing dumb people in America are" a and "I know you voted for X.....so stupid"

That's when you need to get a grip.

Saying, I'm upset with how the US voted last night and angry that my candidate lost is completely different.

I would like to propose that we put an (unofficial) moratorium on political debates to let everybody cool down. I know there are a lot of disappointed people right now, and I would like to respect that and give them a little room before we plunge right back into it.

I'm not saying this as a mod, it's not like I'll lock any political threads that get started in the next several days, I'm just saying it as a fellow member of the board. I think we should take a break from the politics for a couple of days.

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Originally Posted by b525

The reaction she had to Rivergallery's list is quite similar to the reaction I had to this list.

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Now that I have had several hours to cool off, I apologise for how upset I got earlier. I would say this is an accurate picture of what happened. The posting of this list the day after the election while emotions were still raw did give a similar reaction to Rivergallery's list.

As to the clams about abortion - I do not think Romney would have banned abortion, but I hope he would not ask tax payers to pay for it like Obama wants to.

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Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal

I would like to propose that we put an (unofficial) moratorium on political debates to let everybody cool down. I know there are a lot of disappointed people right now, and I would like to respect that and give them a little room before we plunge right back into it.

I'm not saying this as a mod, it's not like I'll lock any political threads that get started in the next several days, I'm just saying it as a fellow member of the board. I think we should take a break from the politics for a couple of days.

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We must have posted at the same time. I did not see this until after I posted.

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Originally Posted by smsturner

Wow. I feel the sour grapes on this one. lol I'm surprised at how angry people are... I still just don't see what is so bad about him. Even if i love someone, i'm not blind to the faults of them... And i just don't see the downsides everyone is upset about.



No one said that. It said 'america is diverse, deal with it'. That is def not the same.



This really doesn't make any sense at all. They don't think they 'know what's best for everyone'. There are just more people there. Should these people in cities be worth half a vote because they don't take up enough land mass?? That's just silly. The greater amount of people should decide what way to move. And that's what happened here.

ETA: I am just totally disgusted with the idea that anyone feels it's alright to call other women murderers, or say they 'suck their baby's brains out' simply because of a different way of looking at things. Do you hate anyone that could have had to make this choice? If your sister had to do it (or wanted to) would you want her arrested and tell her she is a murdering baby-brain sucking monster? I REALLY REALLY liked the rule on the old abortion debate board that we would refrain from calling it murder. What if one of the women here had to make such a hard choice? Maybe it wasn't an easy choice, but one between her life or the fetus'? Talk about a way to chase off potential debaters. I wouldn't hang out where someone kept calling me a brainsucking murderer! (PS. I KNOW a bunch of you will puff up at this. but i do have a point. we don't let people here insult others, why is ok to call people this if we don't even know if one of these women is here?)

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Partial birth abortion IS sucking a baby's brains out.

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Originally Posted by ethanwinfield

The abortion analogy is quite a stretch. The SCOTUS ruling was in 1973. Between 1973 - 2003 there were 330 anti-abortion proposals. To think Romney had the power to get another amendment passed when there have been 7 prior presents who haven't is...well I don't know.

But I'll play along.



You mean like those who mourned Bush's re-election because of all the deaths in "the war on terror"?

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You do realize Obama has killed more people with drones than Bush did.. right?

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Originally Posted by b525

Alissa nailed it when she talked about gross distortions. The reaction she had to Rivergallery's list is quite similar to the reaction I had to this list.

1. Um, yeah, we know. Lots of us are cool with that. Gross generalization that Repubs are scared of differences.
2. Illegal nonsense. Right, 'cause we ALL love illegal nonsense and certainly the other party would not go there!
3. Don't actually know anyone who thinks that. And, if the "electorate" fell off the turnip truck, I guess that would include both sides, no?
4. Pandering to the base - the author knows that went both ways, right?

And so on, and so forth. It's just crap. Why do people think it's okay to act as if the "other" side is stupid? ARGH! There are lots of really good people on both sides, who just want the best for their country and for their families.

And, why can't we let people have a day or two to deal with disappointment instead of launching into opinions about how they need to get a grip, etc? Voting on the person who is in charge of your country, who sets the tone for what is accepted and "right" for millions of people, is a big deal...

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ty exactly why I posted it!