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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    That is interesting that you equate smoking with adulthood.

    drive 16 but varies by state
    , drink 21
    , smoke 18
    , serve in the military, 18
    own a gun, ? I don't know. Isn't this like 3 in texas? Doesn't this vary by state?
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    Which age is it? Frankly I don't want "full responsibility" for my kids till they are 21, nor do I want them to have "full responsibility" at 16. Society gives gradual responsibilities with age. NY's law seems wildly young to me ~ Unfortunately it has been put in place because of things like ~ well, maybe like scary zealouts who would hurt a child who came home pregnant and she needs to be protected, or a child who is a victim of incest and can't turn to her parents. Unfortunately those things exist. I don't know how I feel about the law, other than to say that it reinforces to me the importance of maintaining a good relationship with my children. Again, we already have to give permission for our spouses, or our parents, to access our records, this really is no different. Any parent with a normal relationship/non abusive one will see nothing change. What are people worried about unless they shame or abuse their children, is how I see it.
    Seriously - I don't equate it society does... Yes the age is all different it is silly.
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    Ok -
    #1 I am not the one saying "adults" can smoke and kids can't... Society does.. the point that you missed was.. OUR society has different ages for "adult" activities.. including sex, if they are underage you can be charged with rape.. If they can't consent to sex, why can they consent to medical procedures..! Our society needs to figure it out.. it is damn confusing, and wrong that you can serve our country but not drink.. seriously!

    #2 - A child could potentially have a life threatening disease and the parent not know.. This is so wrong.. Also could have a contagious disease and the parent not know.. that is a health hazard.

    #3 - I think in emergency situations that the dr's should follow the "do no harm" policy I wish they all still followed, and if someone was bleeding out of course administer any aid before having to local parents.

    #4 - Psychiatrists are not medical drs... If my child needed one or went to one I should be notified, and I should have to approve it IF.. I or my medical insurance was covering it... I do not need to know what is said.

    #5 - I agree that children shouldn't be forced to be donors for someone else. At that point you are "harming" the child that is donating, so it is trickier.
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    Psychiatrists are medical doctors.
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    You are right.. Psychologists aren't Migraine brain sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Ok -
    #1 I am not the one saying "adults" can smoke and kids can't... Society does.. the point that you missed was.. OUR society has different ages for "adult" activities.. including sex, if they are underage you can be charged with rape.. If they can't consent to sex, why can they consent to medical procedures..! Our society needs to figure it out.. it is damn confusing, and wrong that you can serve our country but not drink.. seriously!

    #2 - A child could potentially have a life threatening disease and the parent not know.. This is so wrong.. Also could have a contagious disease and the parent not know.. that is a health hazard.

    #3 - I think in emergency situations that the dr's should follow the "do no harm" policy I wish they all still followed, and if someone was bleeding out of course administer any aid before having to local parents.

    #4 - Psychiatrists are not medical drs... If my child needed one or went to one I should be notified, and I should have to approve it IF.. I or my medical insurance was covering it... I do not need to know what is said.

    #5 - I agree that children shouldn't be forced to be donors for someone else. At that point you are "harming" the child that is donating, so it is trickier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    You are right.. Psychologists aren't Migraine brain sorry.
    So does that change your opinion any on seeing a psychiatrist?

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    nope, If my insurance or I have to cover it I should be notified, and have to agree to it. If they want to pay for it they I do not have to know at all..
    Regardless of who pays I do not have the right to know what is said. Same goes for talking to a Priest for example, or a lawyer.

    PS. My sister is a Psychologist, but I would never want to send my kiddos to one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Here is a good piece that explains the law better than the article. Its just an excerpt from a larger piece.



    So first, based on the bold, i think the account given in the article is a matter of poor execution of the laws. I think the information could have been properly disclosed to the parents without any problem.

    And as to the rest mentioned above, i have no problem with it

    The entire PDF can be found here:

    http://nyehealth.org/images/files/Fi...an version.pdf

    It also gives some actual scenarios for consideration.
    Kim, based on your article, I don't have a problem with the scenarios that they outlined. My only question goes back to the payment/insurance piece of it. If my minor child gets, for example, mental health care, does not disclose it to me, but the bill still needs to be paid....how does that work? Is my 12 year old on the hook for paying the bill? Will it effect his credit if he doesn't? I seriously do not want my 12 year old to have to be responsible for stuff like that, and don't know if most 12 year olds are even totally capable of being responsible for stuff like that. If, on the other hand, I am on the hook for it (which I much prefer as opposed to the potential for my 12 year old to be out there messing up his credit score before he's even old enough to understand much about it), how does it work that I'm liable for it but can't find out any information about it? Like, at that point the provider and the insurance company kind of have me over the barrel because I can't dispute anything about it that I may think is inaccurate if I can't even see what it is. Not that I routinely dispute my medical bills, but I would still like the ability to do so.

    I don't know, maybe I'm over thinking this, I just can't figure out how it works unless the state is providing these services to the minors "for free."
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    I think most practices were services are not sensitive (like abortion for example) are not going to treat for non emergent care without parental permission so you would know where and what was happening and have signed an agreement to assume liability.

    This is also helpful for the medical records portion. If your child has a physical you should know he/she is going but should not have access to records without their consent because it contains question on smoking, sexual history etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Kim, based on your article, I don't have a problem with the scenarios that they outlined. My only question goes back to the payment/insurance piece of it. If my minor child gets, for example, mental health care, does not disclose it to me, but the bill still needs to be paid....how does that work? Is my 12 year old on the hook for paying the bill? Will it effect his credit if he doesn't? I seriously do not want my 12 year old to have to be responsible for stuff like that, and don't know if most 12 year olds are even totally capable of being responsible for stuff like that. If, on the other hand, I am on the hook for it (which I much prefer as opposed to the potential for my 12 year old to be out there messing up his credit score before he's even old enough to understand much about it), how does it work that I'm liable for it but can't find out any information about it? Like, at that point the provider and the insurance company kind of have me over the barrel because I can't dispute anything about it that I may think is inaccurate if I can't even see what it is. Not that I routinely dispute my medical bills, but I would still like the ability to do so.

    I don't know, maybe I'm over thinking this, I just can't figure out how it works unless the state is providing these services to the minors "for free."
    In general, you may be responsible to a bill even though you don't have access to what the services were. For example, if a husband is covered on his wife's insurance, ultimately the bill goes to the wife for payment. (I had a dr. threaten to report non-payment of $50 for my husband's office visit because I am the one with insurance.)

    Same with adult children. I was on my dad's policy during college. Even though my visits were through his insurance, he didn't have access to the records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    nope, If my insurance or I have to cover it I should be notified, and have to agree to it. If they want to pay for it they I do not have to know at all..
    Regardless of who pays I do not have the right to know what is said. Same goes for talking to a Priest for example, or a lawyer.

    PS. My sister is a Psychologist, but I would never want to send my kiddos to one.
    Why not? There is a lot going on in the minds of children/teens. It can be quite helpful.

    Just to add: If you have insurance you cannot pay out of pocket for something. BTDT

    IOW, if your 17 YO wanted to get medical treatment for something your insurance covers, they wouldn't be allowed to bill him directly the cash price. It would have to go through the insurance first.
    Last edited by ethanwinfield; 03-13-2013 at 03:22 PM.

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