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    The Obama Administration is forcing ethanol mixed gas into the marketplace, and since this gas can cause real problems for small engines, the EPA's solution is to mandate that if you purchase gas at one of these stations you must buy at least 4 gallons of gas.

    Should ethanol mixed gasoline be forced into the markeplace when it is know to cause problems?

    Is this a good solution, especially when many motorcycles don't even hold 4 gallons of gas?


    The latest mandate handed down from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is so ridiculous, even I was shocked. The EPA has now mandated how much gasoline you must buy at certain gas stations. Say hello to the Obama Administration?s four gallon minimum.

    This unprecedented EPA overreach applies when filling up at a gas station that provides both E15 and E10, gasoline with 15 or 10 percent of ethanol, respectively, from the same hose.

    At the insistence of the ethanol industry, the Obama Administration is pushing E15 into the marketplace, regardless of the serious concerns about the fuel?s impact on drivers. From its inception, E15 is a study in the consequences of government interference in the marketplace. The EPA?s decision to set a minimum purchase requirement is just the most recent example.

    If this seems too far-fetched to be true, here is what the EPA recently wrote in a letter to the American Motorcyclist Association:

    "EPA requires that retail stations that own or operate blender pumps either dispense E15 from a dedicated hose and nozzle if able or, in the case of E15 and E10 being dispensed from the same hose, require that at least four gallons of fuel be purchased to prevent vehicles and engines with smaller fuel tanks from being exposed to gasoline-ethanol blended fuels containing greater than 10 volume percent ethanol."

    The EPA approved E15 for sale in the U.S. using a partial waiver, meaning it is only approved for some vehicles on the road? cars 2001 and later.

    Most of our gasoline contains only 10 percent ethanol. Increasing the ethanol content will harm older vehicles and it is downright dangerous for small engines like those found in boats, lawnmowers, or motorcycles. E15 is like metal in a microwave for a small engine.

    The Obama Administration?s attempt to solve the serious concern of misfueling is more government regulation. By requiring a minimum purchase of four gallons of E10 gas, the Administration hopes to dilute the amounts of E15 undoubtedly left in the shared hose and prevent the fuel from ruining small engines or endangering Americans using these devices.
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    EPA's four-gallon minimum mandate - The Hill's Congress Blog

    EPA Letter to American Motorcyclist
    http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ling.sflb.ashx
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    Honestly I don't know much about fuel, like zero knowledge actually. I'm not sure if this ethanol is something different than I use in my mini van =)

    So, I'm trying to figure out if motorcycles can't use the same gas as I use in my van. I mean are they built to only use this special blend of fuel that's being regulated?

    Next, I'm trying to figure out what was the reason for the blend in the first place.

    Does anyone know right off? I'm trying to google my way through these two answers, but so far no real luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Honestly I don't know much about fuel, like zero knowledge actually. I'm not sure if this ethanol is something different than I use in my mini van =)

    So, I'm trying to figure out if motorcycles can't use the same gas as I use in my van. I mean are they built to only use this special blend of fuel that's being regulated?

    Next, I'm trying to figure out what was the reason for the blend in the first place.

    Does anyone know right off? I'm trying to google my way through these two answers, but so far no real luck.
    Here is another article with more information.

    Ten Reasons To Care That E15 Ethanol Is On The Way To Your Gas Station - Forbes
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post

    I read through the article and quoted three passages. On one hand, the Energy and Security Act is requiring renewable energy so they are adding ethanol to the mix. Yet, in the other paragraphs, the author is saying that ethanol doesn't yield an net renewable fuel. I think I just don't understand fuel enough. From the quoted article I can't understand what the purpose of ethanol being mixed with gas. I think it's too high level fuel talk for me =)



    The Energy and Security Act requires that a certain amount of “renewable” fuel must be introduced into the market each year, an amount that will rise to 36 billion gallons in 2022. EPA regulations identify petroleum refiners and importers as “obligated” parties to bring this about. The only way to meet this arbitrary quota is to add more ethanol made from corn to the mix…an additional 7 billion gallons annually.


    Judge Kavanaugh went on to say: “Before the E15 mandate, petroleum producers likely could not meet the requirement set by the statutory renewable fuel mandate. Now that EPA has allowed E15 onto the market, producers likely can meet the renewable fuel mandate-but they must produce E15 in order to do so…In the real world, does the petroleum industry have a realistic choice not to use E15 and still meet the statutory renewable mandate? The answer is no, and the intervenor Growth Energy’s claim to the contrary seems rooted in fantasy.”

    Although ethanol has been touted as a “renewable” fuel, it is anything but that. It offers no net fuel-saving benefit whatsoever since it requires as much fuel to plant, fertilize, harvest and process the corn into grain alcohol as it produces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    I read through the article and quoted three passages. On one hand, the Energy and Security Act is requiring renewable energy so they are adding ethanol to the mix. Yet, in the other paragraphs, the author is saying that ethanol doesn't yield an net renewable fuel. I think I just don't understand fuel enough. From the quoted article I can't understand what the purpose of ethanol being mixed with gas. I think it's too high level fuel talk for me =)
    Pretty much what they are saying is that they know its not going to help anything and in some cases will hurt more than help, but they are forcing the refineries to go through with it anyway to meet the EPA mandates.

    The EPA is worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Pretty much what they are saying is that they know its not going to help anything and in some cases will hurt more than help, but they are forcing the refineries to go through with it anyway to meet the EPA mandates.

    The EPA is worthless.
    So I am pretty much understanding correctly, but I can't understand why this mandate exists which cannot really be met and will cause all the harms listed (assuming those claims are correct). Why is Obama forcing such a mandate if it's worthless and harmful? What exactly is his reasoning? Have you read that anywhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    So I am pretty much understanding correctly, but I can't understand why this mandate exists which cannot really be met and will cause all the harms listed (assuming those claims are correct). Why is Obama forcing such a mandate if it's worthless and harmful? What exactly is his reasoning? Have you read that anywhere?
    Well that's the million dollar question isn't it. Government at it's best. Probably the same reason that they dumped all that money into Solyndra and are putting unrealistic regulations on coal even though it is putting people out of work. To try and meet a pie in the sky ideal no matter how unrealistic it is or how many people get hurt along the way.
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    IDK, there is a lot of research going on right now into renewable fuel sources, maybe this is intended to force producers to fund some of that research, and help turn it into real world solutions.
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    Whatever happened to those cars that can run on part water and part fuel? Then someone else had a kit to convert water to be used as fuel? I saw on CNN one time a Dr in Pakistan had worked on some ongoing ideas and came up with a converter. I'll see if I can find a link.
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    Ethanol in gas tanks are very hard on most cars, especially ones that are equipped with the flex fuel option. From what I understand, with the wear and tear on engines over the long term there will be a severe net deficit in renewable energy.
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