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    I guess the way I see it is the problem is the engines, not the ethanol or biodiesel. Yeah, ethanol is a problem, but that's a mechanical issue, not an environmental one from the renewable resource standpoint. Fertilizer companies are going to make a killing from the increased demand for ethanol once the oil's all gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I guess the way I see it is the problem is the engines, not the ethanol or biodiesel. Yeah, ethanol is a problem, but that's a mechanical issue, not an environmental one from the renewable resource standpoint. Fertilizer companies are going to make a killing from the increased demand for ethanol once the oil's all gone.
    I really doubt it since once the oil is gone they won't be able to make ethanol, since it takes as much energy to create it as it produces.
    7) Ethanol Affords Absolutely No Net Energy Benefit:
    Although ethanol has been touted as a “renewable” fuel, it is anything but that. It offers no net fuel-saving benefit whatsoever since it requires as much fuel to plant, fertilize, harvest and process the corn into grain alcohol as it produces.
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    I'm pretty anti-ethanol. It is ridiculous to take a food crop and try to make fuel from it IMO (drives up food costs AND takes a sh!t ton of water to produce.)

    Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

    I'd much prefer a push for natural gas powered vehicles. We just need more CNG stations to make that float.....
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    #1 we are assuming we will run out of oil.
    #2 we as a nation are not tapping into our own oil.. instead we create something that isn't a short term fix even it is a short term.. bandaid (that causes a gaping wound, that we can't see because of the bandaid) .
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    My husband knows all about engines and fuel, ethanol is an alchohol and breaks down all seals and the engine itself. Diesel is a great fuel as it is a lubricant.

    #3 The main push from Obama is coming from a worldview that HUMANS and specifically engines etc are causing global warming (which was already proved false and the dems wouldn't admit it, instead changed the name to Climate Change). And also the thought that Carbon and specifically Carbon Dioxide from vehicles is contributing to the HARM to a horrendous point that we must change it. However if they took time to look at the facts, which I am sure they know.. if they shared the fact which they don't you have to dig for them, one would see that they are so deluded.
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    If I'm reading it right, the 4 gallon minimum is to actually prevent people with small engines that would be damaged by the ethanol from buying it? So in other words, if you want to buy the ethanol mixed gas, you do so knowing that you have to buy 4 gallons, so you wouldn't do it if you were filling up your motorcycle or getting gas for your lawn mower. Seems like a weird way to back into it....
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    This is not an area that I know a ton about. I do know though that most gas stations here have gas mixed with Ethanol. DH goes to a special gas station to but gas for his gadgets and for his car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    If I'm reading it right, the 4 gallon minimum is to actually prevent people with small engines that would be damaged by the ethanol from buying it? So in other words, if you want to buy the ethanol mixed gas, you do so knowing that you have to buy 4 gallons, so you wouldn't do it if you were filling up your motorcycle or getting gas for your lawn mower. Seems like a weird way to back into it....
    The 4 gallon minimum is the keep people who are buying the normal gas from having their engines damaged by any left over higher ethanol mixed gas that might be still in the same hose since they will be on the same pump. So if someone in front of you gets the higher mix, and you are behind them with a motorcylce and want normal gas you are out of luck, because you are likely going to get a tank full of the higher mix whether you wanted it or not.

    ETA: In otherwords the 4 gallon minimum isn't really going to solve anything because the motorcycle is still going to get the mixed gas because there is no way they can actually pump 4 gallons to dilute the ethanol gas. Unless they dump the first gallon on the ground or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    If I'm reading it right, the 4 gallon minimum is to actually prevent people with small engines that would be damaged by the ethanol from buying it? So in other words, if you want to buy the ethanol mixed gas, you do so knowing that you have to buy 4 gallons, so you wouldn't do it if you were filling up your motorcycle or getting gas for your lawn mower. Seems like a weird way to back into it....
    In our area we do not have the choice whether to buy ethanol or not, it is mandated by the state. We have to drive to Washington to get gas without any ethanol, we do this to use in our airplane engine.. which is another interesting topic when it comes to gas mandates.. the government is mandated private aircraft out of business.
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