4 y/o fake cigarette

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4 y/o fake cigarette

Instead of losing a few points and gaining title of Personality Supreme, shouldn't something more be done? Is this acceptable to people?

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Even the judges, who are generally caught off guard by just about nothing, seemed shocked, and did indeed deduct points from her score. Then again, they also rewarded her with the title of "Personality Supreme." We can only hope that in the next pageant, mommy Lisa will have slightly less dubious encouraging words for little Destiny than, "Don't forget to smoke."

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Oh my, How awful.

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It's not acceptable, but what are you suggesting be done?

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not cool but I also am not sure what you think should be done? Judges banned from judging? Mom banned from being a mom?

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I have no idea. Maybe if I was the judge, I'd have disqualified her and asked her to leave the pageant. I don't know anything about the rules or anything but when I look at that I really feel so awful. I can't believe any title was given to her.

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I would say "not acceptable", and pretty tacky too. But then I think back to when I was a kid and candy cigarettes were all the rage. We would pretend to smoke - it was even better if we had them in the winter since you could see your breath.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

not cool but I also am not sure what you think should be done? Judges banned from judging? Mom banned from being a mom?

I'm open to thoughts too about what people think should be done or would be nice if could be done etc.

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Well, as I said in the other pageant debate I think pageants in general are pretty harmful to girls. Not all (I was in the Junior Miss pageant as a senior in high school. No beauty/bathing suit and that I can handle). I don't think this one thing stops her from winning other awards at the pageant though. I'm mixed.

I do agree that as a kid we still ate candy cigs and the ones that were gum that had the "smoke" and I'm only 32 and nobody batted an eye.

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"mommydearest" wrote:

I would say "not acceptable", and pretty tacky too. But then I think back to when I was a kid and candy cigarettes were all the rage. We would pretend to smoke - it was even better if we had them in the winter since you could see your breath.

Yeah but those times were WAY different in terms of laws and awareness.

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I think she should have been disqualified.

All I can really think is that the mom need a good slap upside her head

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I don't know that there is anything to do. It's not illegal, as far as I know, to let your kid pretend to smoke. It sure was tacky though...

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I haven't looked -- but are candy cigarettes still sold in stores?

I'm still torn on how I feel about pageants for older girls (preferably teens that have a bigger say in what they do and how they represent themselves.) While I understand that allowing younger kids to participate can be viewed akin to "training" that athletes in various sports do -- so when they *do* reach their teens they are more poised, skilled, etc.

Still - the more that is portrayed in the media regarding the young kids, it just seems that parents feel pressured to push the envelope more and more to capture the judges' attention. That whole "shock value" mentality has led to the "pretty woman" and "Dolly Parton" outfits... the gun toting and now cigarette smoking (albeit "pretend play".)

Still, unless the pageant has specific rules of things NOT to include within a routine, then they likely could not be disqualified for lack of taste (and common sense.)

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"mommydearest" wrote:

I would say "not acceptable", and pretty tacky too. But then I think back to when I was a kid and candy cigarettes were all the rage. We would pretend to smoke - it was even better if we had them in the winter since you could see your breath.

Yep. We always used to pretend to smoke too and back then (as I am in my 40s) it was a lot more acceptable for adults to smoke as well. I think it's tacky, but the more tacky part of it to me is having little girls dress up like adults and try to act like them, projecting sexuality they are too young for. It's all really creepy to me. Even the whole parading around "look at me look at me" in a pageant setting (vs. play time at home) just doesn't seem healthy to me. It's one thing when kids are older and can really decide for themselves if they love what they're doing or not, but the idea of toddlers doing it seems like it's all about the moms and it's just icky.

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Anyone else think this little girl looks like a 2-dollar hooker? How unbelievably sad.

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I've not seen any in stores ever, but can probably be found online.

Sports are governed, right? So there are many rules and regulations; however, from what I can tell from a little research is that overall pageants are ungoverned. Perhaps each pageant has its own rules. I think there should be a national governing board overseeing pageants for minors. I would include rules like not allowing children to pretend to be drinking, smoking, doing drugs, and other rules along the same line. Some of these things such as smoking and drinking are legal - at a certain age. I think for minors to pretend to do these things should be against some sort of rules, which can be grouped into a class such as 'conduct unbecoming'. When an adult wins a pageant there is certain conduct which is not allowed, but still legal in society. If a girl breaches the rules, she can possibly lose her crown. So I think it's not far fetched to develop more stringent rules to cover these girls - especially since they are minors and apparently since some mothers can't not execute normal, good parenting judgement in these competitions.

Essentially, I think at this point there should be a national governing board formed to protect these little girls. I realize the girl didn't do anything 'illegal' but where would this stop? So there should be some national rules for minor pageants.

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I haven't looked -- but are candy cigarettes still sold in stores?

I'm still torn on how I feel about pageants for older girls (preferably teens that have a bigger say in what they do and how they represent themselves.) While I understand that allowing younger kids to participate can be viewed akin to "training" that athletes in various sports do -- so when they *do* reach their teens they are more poised, skilled, etc.

Still - the more that is portrayed in the media regarding the young kids, it just seems that parents feel pressured to push the envelope more and more to capture the judges' attention. That whole "shock value" mentality has led to the "pretty woman" and "Dolly Parton" outfits... the gun toting and now cigarette smoking (albeit "pretend play".)

Still, unless the pageant has specific rules of things NOT to include within a routine, then they likely could not be disqualified for lack of taste (and common sense.)

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They are not a proper educational toy

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Everyone could send an email to TLC and tell them it is not appropriate for TV. The reason they put this stuff on is for the shock value, and it works because everyone is talking about their show. If it was not televised the mother might not have done it, and if she did do it the only people that would know about it are the small number of people that were actually present at the pageant. If enough people start complaining about this kind of stuff they might listen.