49th parallel fence?

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49th parallel fence?

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/222875/20110930/us-canada-border-fence-us-customs-border-protection-agency-report.htm

[FONT=Arial]The United States has looked into the possibility of building a fence along the border with its northern neighbor, Canada.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]The fence would help keep out terrorists and other criminals, according to a draft report by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]The report suggests "fencing and other barriers" along the 49th parallel to manage "trouble spots where passage of cross-border violators is difficult to control."

"The terrain - which ranges from densely forested lands on the West and East Coasts, to open plains in the central portion of the country, to the maritime environment of the Great Lakes - largely comprises sparsely populated federal, state, and tribal lands along the immediate border area," the report states.

The writers of the report suggest the improvement of the country's "tactical security infrastructure." "Barriers would include selective fencing and vehicle barriers at selected points along the border and would deter and delay cross-border violators," according to the report. The report also says the government would deploy National Guard engineers to construct "roadways, trails, fencing, barriers, and trench cuts." The agency does not say how much fence construction would be necessary, however it would be notably different from the border with Mexico. "While fencing has played a prominent role in CBP's enforcement strategy on the Southern Border to deter illegal border crossings, it is unlikely that fencing will play as prominent a role on the Northern Border, given the length of the border and the variability of the terrain."

The proposal was detailed in a draft report released Aug. 31 in Washington and will be aired at public meetings in American cities along the border from Maine to Washington State this fall, before the U.S. government considers further action. The proposal does not involve the border with Alaska.

In the report, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency claims that the Canada-U.S. border is the longest nonmilitarized open border in the world. It also acknowledges that there are significantly fewer "illegal incursions" than at the southwest border with Mexico. "However, attempts at illegal immigration and smuggling regularly occur in this region, and known terrorist affiliates and extremist groups have an undisputed presence along the Northern Border in both the United States and Canada."

Yet, in a rather confusing twist, the United States later distanced itself from its own report. As the story gained increasing media attention in Canada on Thursday, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency released a carefully worded statement. "A border fence along the northern border is not being considered at this time," it said. According to the statement, the study was proposed to provoke a conversation and to put forward options. "If additional manpower, technology, and infrastructure were employed," the plan could be considered, according to the statement.

Last month, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano stressed a need for more manpower along the border, but noted that the key issue was a greater reliance on a beefed-up technological presence through increased use of radar, sensors, cameras, drones, and vehicle scanners. The study by border protection officials comes as Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and U.S. President Barack Obama prepare to announce a perimeter security deal, called "Beyond the Border," that will tighten controls at the border while ensuring cross-border traffic does not become bottlenecked. The initiative was, in part, to improve border security through co-operation. At this time, it remains unclear what, if any, changes will result from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency study.

The number of Border Patrol agents working between crossings along the northern parallel has already increased 700 percent since Sept. 11, 2001. Nearly 3,800 Customs and Border Protection officers examine goods and people at the crossings. Additionally, three dozen land ports are in the process of modernization.[/FONT]

Good idea? Bad idea? Waste of money?

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Considering the 49th parallel is almost 4 hours NORTH of me where I am in Ontario... I say bad!! Lol

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"Princess&ThePea" wrote:

Considering the 49th parallel is almost 4 hours NORTH of me where I am in Ontario... I say bad!! Lol

ha ha. you know what i'm talking about! Wink

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I'm also a Canadian living south of the 49th. It would be very impractical to string a fence across Hwy 1. Smile

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I like that they think a fence will keep out terrorist.

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"culturedmom" wrote:

I like that they think a fence will keep out terrorist.

This. :rolleyes:

Border fences are sooooo 2006.

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The mental image of putting up fences always bothers me.

But I'm also a Canadian south of the 49th, so I agree it needs revision at the very least!

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They're just talking about the stretch of the 49th parallel that basically makes up the US/Can border across the US northern states that border BC, AB, SK and MB because that stretch is basically not 'manned' as much as high traffic border crossings. It's basically wilderness. The rest of the border obviously can't have a fence (through the Great Lakes would require some seriously tall fence posts ;)), but I read in a different article that security measures would still be beefed up in the Maritimes and along the border lakes and St. Lawrence River, using portions of fence where the terrain is suitable and other measures where it's not.

IDK. To see a fence go up kind of seems like a victory for terrorism, you know? The Beyond the Border initiative is a 'shared vision of perimeter security' between the US and Canada. Seems to me like a fence flies in the face of that initiative.

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

They're just talking about the stretch of the 49th parallel that basically makes up the US/Can border across the US northern states that border BC, AB, SK and MB because that stretch is basically not 'manned' as much as high traffic border crossings. It's basically wilderness. The rest of the border obviously can't have a fence (through the Great Lakes would require some seriously tall fence posts ;)), but I read in a different article that security measures would still be beefed up in the Maritimes and along the border lakes and St. Lawrence River, using portions of fence where the terrain is suitable and other measures where it's not.

IDK. To see a fence go up kind of seems like a victory for terrorism, you know? The Beyond the Border initiative is a 'shared vision of perimeter security' between the US and Canada. Seems to me like a fence flies in the face of that initiative.

To the bolded - ITA.

Also, if the fence isn't manned, do they really think a fence is going to keep out someone who is determined to get across the border? Don't they have ladders in Canada? Blum 3

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

To the bolded - ITA.

Also, if the fence isn't manned, do they really think a fence is going to keep out someone who is determined to get across the border? Don't they have ladders in Canada? Blum 3

No. We shipped them all to Mexico. Unusually high demand, for some reason. Wink

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we'd just build a big snowman and have our sled dogs pull us over on a toboggan. Wink

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

we'd just build a big snowman and have our sled dogs pull us over on a toboggan. Wink

Another thing that I thought of when I first read about this was the Keystone Pipeline. If that deal goes through are they just going to build the fence around it? Keystone is a whole other debate, but I really hope that deal dies.

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LOL - I figured you would all just disguise yourselves as either Celine Dion or Mike Myers and be welcomed with open arms....

Also, are we sure that the point of the fence is to keep Canadians out? It could be to keep Americans in. I can tell you from having crossed the border without a passport like the month after they started requiring it, it was a lot harder to talk my way into Canada than it was to talk my way back into the US. I came away with the impression that the Canadian border patrol was much tougher than the US border patrol. The US government could be building the fence as a favor to the Canadian government - kind of like fencing your yard so that your dog stops going over and pooping in the neighbor's flowerbed. Biggrin

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I have had the same experience, Alissa. Crossing the border is generally quick and easy getting into New York, where we cross into Buffalo. Going home always takes longer with the guards. I'm guessing this fence would be more to keep out terrorists who are getting to the US via Canada. Not us sweet ol' Canadians.

Keystone would be another great debate. Ick. Ick. Ick.

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I am south of the border too. Of course the fences to reach me would need to be higher than the ones in the lakes.

Seems like a silly waste of time to me since a fence will do nothing the the middle of the bush.

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"culturedmom" wrote:

I like that they think a fence will keep out terrorist.

Exactly!

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"fuchsiasky" wrote:

I am south of the border too. Of course the fences to reach me would need to be higher than the ones in the lakes.

Seems like a silly waste of time to me since a fence will do nothing the the middle of the bush.

Yeah. How effective is an ordinary fence in the middle of the wilderness? I watched this video of a couple young Mexican girls scaling a section of the US/Mex. border fence in 18 SECONDS.:eek:

From the blogs I've read lots of Canadians are like "Build it. Who cares?" and have extremely strong anti-American sentiments. Lots of the posts I read had a similar theme - basically "You yanks (meaning the US govt) are nuts and totally paranoid." (please don't shoot the messenger with that - it's not MY feeling but is the feeling of many of my countryfolk from what I've read). It's kind of embarrassing, actually. Yes, soooooooo much changed after 9/11 but we've been allies for decades and stood side by side in wars that didn't always involve both countries from the outset, we support each other's economies and are DEPENDENT on each other's exports, have trade agreements, a geographical interest in protecting each other's borders, etc. etc. etc.

I totally get the need to feel safe. We all want that. With the Beyond the Border initiative between Can/US tabled earlier this year there's a JOINT effort between our two countries to work together to tighten security - not just at border crossings but away from them too to strengthen the US/Can perimeter as a whole.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

LOL - I figured you would all just disguise yourselves as either Celine Dion or Mike Myers and be welcomed with open arms....

Ewww. You guys actually like Celine Dion? She's as annoying as all get out. I don't go all rah-rah over Canadian celebrities just because they're Canadian. Michael Buble? LOVE LOVE LOVE. Blue Rodeo? OMG, LOVE!!!!! Justin Bieber? HATE. Avril Lavigne? HATE.:D

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