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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    In many states, teenagers have autonomy to their reproductive decision-making. If you're "old enough" to have sex, you are old enough to make the decisions that go along with it. It should never be someone else's decision when you have a child. That's why I'm pro-choice and anti-parental consent laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am thankful not to live in such a State.
    Let's ask your daughters in a few years if they feel the same way. Maybe if they decide they want to have sex, they won't appreciate having to ask your permission to get birth control. Maybe they'll hear about the Gardasil shot being linked to ovarian failure, PCOS, and ovarian cancer & decide they don't want to risk their fertility with it. Maybe they'll want an abortion they know you wouldn't allow and turn to an illegal provider who doesn't call parents and then they end up dead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The law clearly wasn't intended for that and they have already said they are going to change the wording to make it clear that the law is for the rapist and NOT the victim.
    But that's my point about trying to prove intent. It should absolutely be illegal to force ANYONE to have an abortion (with caveats about what "force" really means) but when we're trying to make this law around abortion that talks about intent, it gets really muddy really quickly. He may want her to have an abortion to get rid of the evidence. She may want to have the abortion because she feels that carrying the baby continues to victimize her. How do you sort out intent?

    I also disagree that the law is clearly only about rapists, as I said before. It seems to me from the text of the thing that there's plenty of room for confusion about that, however they wish to back peddle now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am thankful not to live in such a State.
    Thankfully for your daughters you do live in a state where a judge can determine that they do NOT need parental notification.

    Tennessee
    Your state requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    For an underage girl evidence of sex IS evidence of rape, since a young girl cannot consent to sex.
    We've had this debate. If she is with an underage boy it is not considered rape because neither can consent. It wouldn't be treated as a rape case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am thankful not to live in such a State.
    My concern for my daughters is that we have a trusting relationship that if they are pregnant they will come to me to work together to figure out the best option for them. I would support them in any decision they made. Of course, the birth control discussion would have happened well in advanced so I'm hoping they are not in that position.

    If they feel they can't come to me, I hope they then seek out another trusted adult to help them in place of me.

    If not, I just hope they have a safe place to go to have an abortion. My first priority is their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    Tennessee
    Your state requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
    As I previously said the way to have a minor child get an abortion without the parents consent was to take them to court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    My concern for my daughters is that we have a trusting relationship that if they are pregnant they will come to me to work together to figure out the best option for them. I would support them in any decision they made. Of course, the birth control discussion would have happened well in advanced so I'm hoping they are not in that position.
    I also plan to have a trusting relationship with my children just as my parents had with me. My father told me many times that while he hoped I would never get pregnant outside of marriage to please come to me and he would support me however possible. I knew that if I became pregnant that my parents would help me raise the child or help me put the child up for adoption. They would not help me kill the child, but while abortion is legal, there is no law that you have to be in support of it or that you have to help kill your grandchild. Regardless of what I did, even if I had an abortion I know my parents still would have loved me and supported me.

    I love my girls and I love talking about my girls, but this is not one topic that I wish my daughters to be drug through or debated on.

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    I didn't bring your daughters into it. I spoke about what I was hoping for with my daughters.

    But yes, as a parent, my job is to support them even if we disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    As I previously said the way to have a minor child get an abortion without the parents consent was to take them to court.

    But that isn't true. The below is specific to Tn

    Abortion Rights

    • If you are under 18 years old and want an abortion, one parent or legal guardian must give permission before you can get one. That is called parental consent. If that’s not possible, you are able to ask a judge for permission, or get special permission if it’s an emergency. This is called judicial bypass.
    • You do not need your parent/s permission if it is a medical emergency and/or you are the victim of abuse, assault, incest or neglect.
    • There is no mandatory waiting period to get an abortion in Tennessee. A law requiring waiting periods has been permanently blocked by the courts.
    • Your state does not provide Medicaid coverage for all medically necessary abortions. Medicaid can be used only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest. If you need help paying for an abortion, call the National Abortion Federation Hotline at 1-800-772-9100, Monday–Friday, 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.; Saturday–Sunday, 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. (Eastern Daylight Time). The hotline can tell you where and how to get financial help for an abortion in the U.S.
    • To learn about the process of adoption and the services available, visit the National Council for Adoption and the Independent Adoption Center. You can also call the National Adoption Information Clearinghouse at 1-888-251-0075 for more information.
    Also specific to TN

    If you are underage you may want to check this site out to see about parental consent laws and whatnot. Sex in the States | Sex, Etc. *Even if it says you need parental consent, you don't. Call PP and tell them you cannot tell your parents; by law, a judicial bypass must be available to those minors who just cannot get their parents/guardians permission. A judge signs the parental consent acting as a de facto guardian. Abortion funding Fund Abortion Now.org

    Some state medicaid program do pay for it, use this link and figure out if your state covers it. If they do, you can go to "welfare" office and get emergency coverage and the state and taxes will help pay for it. http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/c…
    So no, you may believe that they need your permission OR your knowledge (i.e go to court) but it isn't true. They could easily do it without you having any idea.

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