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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I do not see how not paying for bc is the same as taking away all control a woman has over her body. I think if you want power over your body then you need to step up and pay for it
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    And to Bonita's point about culture: our own culture here in the USA used to involve legal slavery, prohibitions against interracial marriage, and virtually zero rights for women whatsoever. Cultures can and do change. One of the best ways to change them is to provide those people with information that things *can* be different, that they don't *have* to live the same way their parents & grandparents did, and to provide them with the resources to be able to do that. Clean drinking water is one of the basic human rights on the U.N. list. Do you really think that any place that doesn't have clean drinking water should just be forced to find a way to pay for it, or left to their own devices since they have obviously chosen this as a cultural attribute??? As a world society we should be committed to helping them get safe drinking water, and to educating them about why dirty water is unsafe and what they can do to make dirty water safer. Why should birth control, access to birth control, and education about birth control and safer sex practices be any different simply because it's "their culture"???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Really? You don't consider being able to control one's own fertility a right? You don't think that access to family planning information such as *when* to abstain if you don't want to get pregnant, should be a right? Why not? I can't imagine how we as a world can expect to get women out of bad relationships and bad living conditions and into good places like colleges, politics, and activism when these women don't have control over their own bodies, their own fertility, and most of them don't even have the information to know how to start trying. Welcome to the 1950s; if you have a uterus, you're expected to use it and nothing else.
    Need not a right. Long as women are not being forced to have sex, the rest is not a right. Availability of healthcare and fertility care are needs not rights.
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    So the idea that others in the world who have little to no access to formal education and little to no access to clinics or a reason to pay for them are not able to get assistance in order to remain healthy and plan their families appropriately and such is something only available to those who can afford it. Gotcha.

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    Not speaking to other countries that have no education or free clinics, at what point do you guys expect woman to take care of themselves and their own bodies? I believe we are doing the poor a disservice by continually saying they are not capable of taking care of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So the idea that others in the world who have little to no access to formal education and little to no access to clinics or a reason to pay for them are not able to get assistance in order to remain healthy and plan their families appropriately and such is something only available to those who can afford it. Gotcha.
    It is unfortunate when other countries do not have the same luxuries that we have. It is a blessing and wonderful thing when people go in an help those that are less fortunate than we are. I do not however, think they HAVE to.

    For example, lets say there was some remote country in Africa that was made up of hundreds of villages. The UN, Missions groups, and private organizations did their best to reach the people of that area, but only could get to a third of the people. Those groups are not doing a bad job because they can not get to everyone. It is not their responsibility to reach every person in the whole wide world to give them health care. Yes, what they do is wonderful. But it is out of the kindness of their hearts, not because they HAVE to, and those people have a RIGHT to have someone go to some village that takes 6 months to get to, just so they can have birth control. It is wonderful if they can have it, and I ache for the people who live in such a way, but it is not the Westernized world's job to try to change the way the rest of the world lives.

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    If you have no access due to funding than no it is not a disservice. Do you know how much money is saved when we have proper funding to clinics, education for girls and women about their bodies and having healthy sex and helping them obtain birth control?

    We have free clinics in this country and we still have issues with this due to women not being able to get to these clinics and if they can get to a doctor and maybe pay for a visit (if not a free clinic) they can't always afford the monthly prescription even at a low cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    If you have no access due to funding than no it is not a disservice. Do you know how much money is saved when we have proper funding to clinics, education for girls and women about their bodies and having healthy sex and helping them obtain birth control?

    We have free clinics in this country and we still have issues with this due to women not being able to get to these clinics and if they can get to a doctor and maybe pay for a visit (if not a free clinic) they can't always afford the monthly prescription even at a low cost.
    Even in this situation, I do not believe it is the governments responsibility to provide free birth control to everyone. Sure, free clinics are nice, but not a necessity.

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    I think the opposite. I only think it benefits any country to have a goal of women obtaining routine care such as physicals , gyn exams and pap smears, having birth control and plan when and if they are having children and having only intended pregnancies.

    Less tax money for those that have no money to have a child so there would be no welfare, no WIC programs needed etc. (yes a lofty goal but a goal nonetheless don't you think?)

    Less elective abortions when women are only getting pregnant when they want to which I know you support.

    The financial estimate I read is that they will spend 4 billion to do these services which could net 11 million in savings for medical bills. That seems worth it.
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    Worth it and a worthy goal, but not a human right. IMO.

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    It's not even that IMO. How many people do you know that know darn well they can't afford another child who actively try to conceive? How many people do you know that have access to free birth control who choose not to take it, who only use it when they remember (doh!), and who use abortion instead of contraception?

    Seriously, I know way more people who don't plan their families than I do those who do plan. All of whom are not to the point of giving up their smartphones even while applying for whatever assistance they can.

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