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    I have to say those that I know that are and have actively tried for a baby can afford one. I don't run in a wealthy circle. Guess we just know different people. They either are ttc because they know they are ready for one or more or they take birth control and have access to birth control (you know because we all have insurance here and all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Even in this situation, I do not believe it is the governments responsibility to provide free birth control to everyone. Sure, free clinics are nice, but not a necessity.
    No one said it has to be through the government, but generally, yes, the entities that provide most basic human rights are the governments, one way or another. And most governments in the civilized world *do* provide health care to nearly all of their citizens; the U.S. stands alone with our health care model which doesn't work and costs too much and doesn't even cover close to half of our citizens. And I guess this is the underlying difference. Those of us on the other side of the debate generally believe that access to adequate medical care is a basic human right, not a luxury for the rich, and birth control is simply one aspect of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    No one said it has to be through the government, but generally, yes, the entities that provide most basic human rights are the governments, one way or another. And most governments in the civilized world *do* provide health care to nearly all of their citizens; the U.S. stands alone with our health care model which doesn't work and costs too much and doesn't even cover close to half of our citizens. And I guess this is the underlying difference. Those of us on the other side of the debate generally believe that access to adequate medical care is a basic human right, not a luxury for the rich, and birth control is simply one aspect of that.
    I definitely will not argue that our currant health care system is not broken. I am experiencing a slew of health problems and it is costing a ton of money to get them taken care of. I just do not believe the currant health care law was the right way to go about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    No one said it has to be through the government, but generally, yes, the entities that provide most basic human rights are the governments, one way or another. And most governments in the civilized world *do* provide health care to nearly all of their citizens; the U.S. stands alone with our health care model which doesn't work and costs too much and doesn't even cover close to half of our citizens. And I guess this is the underlying difference. Those of us on the other side of the debate generally believe that access to adequate medical care is a basic human right, not a luxury for the rich, and birth control is simply one aspect of that.
    This is exactly the trouble.. The government of the US was NOT created to give us rights. Our creator gave us rights, and constitution was created so that the government would stay out of the way of those rights.
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    Creator as in God???? Really????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    This is exactly the trouble.. The government of the US was NOT created to give us rights. Our creator gave us rights, and constitution was created so that the government would stay out of the way of those rights.
    Hmm.... So if believe god not to exist does that mean we don't have these?

    The Constitution was not created to GIVE us rights, but to protect them. We have these rights because we are human and live in a place that protects our human rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Creator as in God???? Really????
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    Hmm.... So if believe god not to exist does that mean we don't have these?

    The Constitution was not created to GIVE us rights, but to protect them. We have these rights because we are human and live in a place that protects our human rights.
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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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    yes and "Their" creator can mean about 1 million things.

    RG said "our creator" which is not so. We don't all hold the same belief in who our Creator is.
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    A) The Declaration of Independence is not the Constitution. The DofI neither gives nor protects rights, it was a historical document that declared indepence from GB.
    B) I actually like the idea that the DoI sets forth that all humans have certain rights, simply by being human. It doesn't bother me that they say "by their Creator" because that's what they believed, but I think that the main point is not the "by their Creator" part, but the idea that all people have certain rights, no matter who they are or where they live, simply by virtue of being human. I like that. Way to go, Founding Fathers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Creator as in God???? Really????
    Yeah really.. seriously read it.
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