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    Gov. Cuomo to conservatives: Leave NY! | New York Post

    Debate question- Is it okay for an elected official to tell a whole group of people that they have no place in a state?

    What if another group had been the subject of this rant, like Muslims? Would more of the media be covering it?
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    I am from NY and a lot of my family and friends live in NY. And guess what? Most are conservative. The part of NY I am from has a large amount of conservatives. It has always been that way. I do know many people that wish the farming part of NY could break away from NYC area because the values and needs of the two parts of the State are so different.

    That said, I have not heard very much about this on FB. Most of them know that the top brass in NY do not care about them or their part of the State. I think if you were to ask most would say that he is an idiot and that they do not care what he thinks.

    I also live in one of the most conservative parts of the country, and some of the most die hard "Gun toting, bible believing, anti gay, ect." people I know live in the State of NY.
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    Well for one, the New York post is a very trashy newspaper that will distort what anybody says for a polarizing headline.

    It looks like he was talking about politicians, not the general population, and he's saying that the extremely conservative Republican values don't match what the majority of people in NY believe, which is accurate (despite personal anecdotes).

    But he certainly wasn't telling groups of the general population to move out. Oh, the New York Post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Well for one, the New York post is a very trashy newspaper that will distort what anybody says for a polarizing headline.

    It looks like he was talking about politicians, not the general population, and he's saying that the extremely conservative Republican values don't match what the majority of people in NY believe, which is accurate (despite personal anecdotes).

    But he certainly wasn't telling groups of the general population to move out. Oh, the New York Post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Well for one, the New York post is a very trashy newspaper that will distort what anybody says for a polarizing headline.

    It looks like he was talking about politicians, not the general population, and he's saying that the extremely conservative Republican values don't match what the majority of people in NY believe, which is accurate (despite personal anecdotes).

    But he certainly wasn't telling groups of the general population to move out. Oh, the New York Post.
    I was not saying that the vast majority of NYers are conservative, but that are plenty. If 70% of NYers are more liberal, that leaves 30% that are not. 30% of the population of NY is still a huge amount of people.

    ETA - The conservatives that do live in NY are also entitled to representation. It makes no sense to say that conservatives can live in NY but not politicians. To say one has to move out is the same as saying the other should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I was not saying that the vast majority of NYers are conservative, but that are plenty. If 70% of NYers are more liberal, that leaves 30% that are not. 30% of the population of NY is still a huge amount of people.

    ETA - The conservatives that do live in NY are also entitled to representation. It makes no sense to say that conservatives can live in NY but not politicians. To say one has to move out is the same as saying the other should.
    He isn't actually telling people to pack up and move. Most cities have their own New York Post equivalent -- some trashy, inflammatory paper with provocative headlines and half-told stories.

    The way democracy works is that NOT everybody gets representation. It's about majority. That's the whole concept, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    He isn't actually telling people to pack up and move. Most cities have their own New York Post equivalent -- some trashy, inflammatory paper with provocative headlines and half-told stories.

    The way democracy works is that NOT everybody gets representation. It's about majority. That's the whole concept, isn't it?
    So to clarify, are you saying what he said was not insulting? That is the question isn't? Not that he should not have been allowed to say it, because he can say whatever he wants. But rather that it was a foolish and insulting thing to say. I do not think that you can spin it any other way then yes, people are going to be offended. It is not like anyone would move because he says so. It is that he is being so open about his dislike of a group he represents. It would be no different than a Governor or Mayor in a city that is mostly white saying that he does not represent the Black people of the city and that they are not welcome there. Would he have any legal baring to make them move? No. Would there be back lash and political repercussions? Yes.


    ETA - Another example would be such as if the Governor of Texas said that homosexuals were not welcome in Texas and that they did not represent the values of Texas. Even though homosexuals are a minority in Texas, would there be no repercussions for what he said?
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    I read it like he was sort of "giving advice" to the leadership of the GOP (for lack of a better way to describe it.) In other words "Your extreme right wing candidates don't have a chance of being elected in this state because the majority of people of this state won't vote for them. Run more moderate candidates if you want to win elections." I didn't take it that he was saying that he refuses to represent the very conservative people in his state or anything like that. Laurie is right, while there may be some very conservative people in NY, in a democracy the majority wins, so your candidate has to appeal to the majority of the people in their voting district to win. If your candidate is too extreme (either to the left or the right) to appeal to the majority, they will lose. I don't think that it's "offensive" to acknowledge that that is how democracy works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    ETA - Another example would be such as if the Governor of Texas said that homosexuals were not welcome in Texas and that they did not represent the values of Texas. Even though homosexuals are a minority in Texas, would there be no repercussions for what he said?
    A better analogy would be if the Governor of Texas said that a homosexual has no chance of getting elected to state office in his state, so they'd probably be better off going somewhere else than trying to change the POV of the entire state.

    And if the people of New York (or Texas, in our hypothetical situation) are upset enough about what was said, then there will be repercussions. I don't think what Cuomo said warrants any official hand-slapping, though. He gave his personal opinion about whether extremely conservative Republicans are electable in New York, and his answer is no. It's up to the people to prove him wrong.
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    Do you have another article that says exactly what he said? This quote from the OP “Who are they? Right to life, pro-assault weapons, anti-gay — if that’s who they are, they have no place in the state of New York because that’s not who New Yorkers are.” Seems to be saying something different than what you guys are talking about. Is that a miss quote?

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