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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I'm looking at the entire conversation as reported by the paper and trying to put it into context. He's talking about how extremists are not "who the people of NY are" and how their "problem" is not the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Now, what does he mean exactly by "problem." What is the problem, exactly? Since he is talking about how these people do not represent the people of NY, I assume that the "problem" he is referring to is the "problem" of not being able to get elected. Make sense?
    I am sure you probably can't watch the video at work, but when you get a chance watch it. He was speaking about the SAFE act and how that republicans are not able to support it because of the conservatives. Conservative voters. That has nothing to do with a conservative not being able to get elected.

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    Yeah, I think that that is actually, I don’t think that that is right Susan. I think it is a very important point, but I don’t think it is that I’m less of a Democrat, I think what you are seeing is, you have a schism within the Republican party. You have the Republican party searching for identity; they are searching to define their soul. That is what is going on. It is the Republican party that is it a moderate party or is it a conservative party? That is what they are trying to figure out and it is very interesting because it is a mirror of what is going on in Washington, right? The gridlock in Washington is less about Democrats and Republicans. It is more about extreme Republicans versus moderate Republicans. And a moderate Republican in Washington can’t figure out how to deal with the extreme Republicans. And the moderate Republicans are affair of the extreme conservative republicans in Washington in my opinion.

    You’ve seen that play out in New York, their SAFE Act – the Republican-party candidates are running against the SAFE Act. It was voted for by moderate Republicans who run the senate. Their problem is not me and Democrats, their problem is themselves. Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives, who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay, is that who they are? Because if that is who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that is not who New Yorkers are.

    Moderate Republicans like in the senate right now and control the senate — moderate republicans have a place in this state. George Pataki was governor of this state as a moderate Republican. But not as what you are hearing from them on the far right not this clash that you are getting from the quote unquote power brokers of the party now: ”We are right-to-life, we are pro-assault-weapon or anti-gay” . . . Well that was planned anyway, I think he did that in reaction to the meets we were having. You know moderate Republicans, I work with – moderate Republicans passed my agenda, for the past three years. They want to criticize my record? My record was passed by the moderate Republicans, so they are criticizing themselves and this really isn’t about me Susan. This is: Who are they? And who is going to win between the conservative Republicans, the extremely conservative Republicans and the moderately conservative Republicans. And literally look at the issues that they pick, are we right-to-life or are we pro-choice? Well if you are right to life, that is your opinion and that’s your religious belief, that is fine but that is not the opinion of this state, which 70% are pro-choice in this state.

    “Well we are anti-gun control”, that is fine. 70 percent of this state wants intelligent gun control.

    “We don’t agree with gay marriage, we are anti-gay”, that is fine but 70 percent of this. state about, is now pro-gay-marriage so figure out who you are and figure out if you are of a extreme conservative philosophy and if you can survive in this state. And the answer is no.

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    For the Record, Most people I know in NY are passionately against the SAFE act, but that is a separate debate. They would never vote for someone in favore of it and therefore some candidates are running on that platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I'm looking at the entire conversation as reported by the paper and trying to put it into context. He's talking about how extremists are not "who the people of NY are" and how their "problem" is not the Democrats, their problem is themselves. Now, what does he mean exactly by "problem." What is the problem, exactly? Since he is talking about how these people do not represent the people of NY, I assume that the "problem" he is referring to is the "problem" of not being able to get elected. Make sense?
    He says many times the conservatives in the Republican Party. So I would assume that to mean anyone who is a conservative who belongs to the Republican party would be included in the group he states are not welcome.
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    Everything in that full quote goes to exactly how I interpretted it, that he is talking about who can get elected in that state. the whole exerpt is all about who is in Washington, and what platforms they are running on, which is exactly how I assumed he meant it, that you can't run on an extreme Conservative in NY and get elected.

    Also, he says that's exactly what he was talking about:

    Open Letter to the Editor Regarding New York Post Story "Gov. Cuomo to conservatives: Leave NY" published on Saturday, January 18th, 2014. | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

    The New York Post distorted Governor Cuomo’s words yesterday, saying that the Governor said "conservatives should leave New York." The Governor did not say that, nor does he believe that.

    If you read the transcript (below), it is clear that the Governor was making the observation that an extreme right candidate cannot win statewide because this is a politically moderate state (either moderate Republican or moderate Democratic).

    In the same response, the Governor went on to say "it is fine" to be anti-gun control, and anti-choice” – as he respects both positions.

    The Post can allow any person they want to publish in their paper but if they are to retain any credibility they cannot be entirely reckless with facts and the truth.
    Then it lists the transcript that you posted. So yeah, still not seeing the problem. I just saw this after I went looking for the transcript, and it just confirmed what I already thought he meant. It seemed (and still seems) pretty clear to me from the context that this is what he meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    He says many times the conservatives in the Republican Party. So I would assume that to mean anyone who is a conservative who belongs to the Republican party would be included in the group he states are not welcome.
    Did you read the transcript? I linked to it, and Bonita quoted it. He is very clearly talking about Republican leadership, not the people who vote Republican.
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    Yes, he's talking about politics, not population.

    And you can't compare Republicans & Democrats to black people & white people. Politics are opinions, skin color is not.

    If I lived in Texas, and the governor said something about how there wasn't a place there for anti-gun Democrats, I would tend to agree. I would know I was in in the minority and I wouldn't expect to be represented politically. My husband knows HE is not represented politically in NY, that's just how it is. (He's a Libertarian, if anything.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Did you read the transcript? I linked to it, and Bonita quoted it. He is very clearly talking about Republican leadership, not the people who vote Republican.
    I disagree. After reading it carefully several times I believe he is saving all conservatives in NY. That moderate Republicans can't fully back the SAFE act because they have to worry about the back lash from the conservatives. It may not be what he meant, but it is what he said.

    It does not matter at all to me what he says he meant after the fact to try to stem the back lash. He would have said anything at that point.

    I was just on the phone with my mom who has lived in NY all her life. I asked her if she was offended and she said very. I asked her if the people in her area were offended and she said yes. She said though, that it will not matter because he is elected by NYC and that what up state NY thinks will not matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I disagree. After reading it carefully several times I believe he is saving all conservatives in NY. That moderate Republicans can't fully back the SAFE act because they have to worry about the back lash from the conservatives. It may not be what he meant, but it is what he said.
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    This doesn't make any sense to me, except in terms of an election. It makes sense that a moderate candidate would worry about backlash in an election (i.e. not getting elected!) What "backlash" would a moderate Republican that is not running for office feel over supporting or not supporting any given policy? Like what, your friends won't "like" your FB post about it? "Backlash" to me points to some actual consequence (again, like not getting elected to office.) I disagree with my friends and family members about policies all of the time (I even disagree with my husband sometimes. He is more moderate than I am) but I wouldn't say that there is any "backlash" over it. It just doesn't make sense to me that people think he is talking about voters in this context. It seems as clear as the nose on my face that he is talking about politicians.
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    Can any of you tell me that if you were a conservative that you truly would not have been offended? I mean truly? I don't mean sit in a corner and cry all day, but after hearing it you would not have though "Well he is a jerk". I can also tell you from being born and raised in NY that the idea truly is there. That Coumo and NYCers as a whole (obviously not everyone) do not believe anyone from outside of NYC or anyone not liberal does not belong, and that at least the corner of NY that I am from (again, a majority not all) wishes that NYC would break off into the ocean. There is a lot of history of strife and bitterness there. Statements like this just add fuel to the fire. Maybe it did not come out like he meant it, but it still came across as offensive and it is still going to cause back lash. Not that it will matter on this issue any more than any other issue that is voted on State wide because NYC can easily out vote the rest of the State.

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