Another gunman at a US elementary school.

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Another gunman at a US elementary school.

So relieved that it appears that no one was actually harmed. Are we allowed to talk about gun control since no one was hurt, or is it "too soon?" Or will gun people say that no one was hurt, so obviously we don't need to talk about it?

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Not relevant to your questions, I just wanted to say I am so thankful no one was hurt. This area is only about 1 1/2 from us and about 45 minutes from the school DH worked in last year.

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I'd love to talk about it but not with some of the people here. :oops: The question isn't how do we make schools safer. I don't want my kids spending 8 hours a day in a locked fortress called a school building. The question is, when are we going to get the damned guns off our streets, out of our schools, so that our kids can run around on the school yard without the fear of being blown away. This was nothing more than a lucky break.

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"Spacers" wrote:

I'd love to talk about it but not with some of the people here. :oops: The question isn't how do we make schools safer. I don't want my kids spending 8 hours a day in a locked fortress called a school building. The question is, when are we going to get the damned guns off our streets, out of our schools, so that our kids can run around on the school yard without the fear of being blown away. This was nothing more than a lucky break.

Yep.

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Everything Stacey said.

This country's love affair with guns is depressing.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

Everything Stacey said.

This country's love affair with guns is depressing.

Totally agree. And I know it is because I am Canadian but I really do not get the whole gun culture. My dad had a hunting rifle which he got rid of when he married my stepmother but that was used for hunting once a year.

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Well in reality, i don't have the energy to do this. I find this debate very draining to me because i don't agree with either extreme....and it seems thats almost all that exists,.

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Just read the article. There's a hero story in here about the woman who kept him with her and talked him down. Amazing.

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Nothing to talk about. He was a convicted felon so wouldn't have been able to purchase the gun legally. More gun control laws wouldn't have changed a thing, since it was already illegal for him to have it. Maybe we should debate enforcement of existing gun laws?

This sounds familiar though. Maybe we should talk about better treatment and management of people with mental illness. It is obvious he was trying to commit suicide by cop.

The man who allegedly exchanged gunfire with officers inside an Atlanta-area elementary has a "long history of medical disorders," according to his brother, who said suspect Michael Hill was bound to "do something stupid."

"I honestly can tell you he has got a long history of medical disorders, including bipolar, and that could make you snap on a dime," Timothy Hill told ABC News. "My moms almost looked like a drugstore at one point. There was so many different medications he was on."

Police said Michael Hill, 20, will face charges including aggravated assault on a police officer, terroristic threats and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.

Timothy Hill, 22, said he's not close to his brother and thinks he last saw him in January 2011. Hill did not disclose his brother's complete mental health history but said he was taking drugs for treating attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder as early as age 6.

Hill said his brother had once threatened to kill him. "I had a feeling he was going to eventually, one day, do something stupid, but not of this magnitude."

Brother of Suspected Georgia Gunman Felt He Would 'Do Something Stupid' - Yahoo!

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"Spacers" wrote:

I'd love to talk about it but not with some of the people here. :oops: The question isn't how do we make schools safer. I don't want my kids spending 8 hours a day in a locked fortress called a school building. The question is, when are we going to get the damned guns off our streets, out of our schools, so that our kids can run around on the school yard without the fear of being blown away. This was nothing more than a lucky break.

That makes it a chat session not a debate Smile

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Nothing to talk about. He was a convicted felon so wouldn't have been able to purchase the gun legally. More gun control laws wouldn't have changed a thing, since it was already illegal for him to have it. Maybe we should debate enforcement of existing gun laws?

This sounds familiar though. Maybe we should talk about better treatment and management of people with mental illness. It is obvious he was trying to commit suicide by cop.

Brother of Suspected Georgia Gunman Felt He Would 'Do Something Stupid' - Yahoo!

Closing loopholes of how you can get a gun and gun registries might help. Maybe. I agree we need much better treatment for the mentally ill. A comprehensive single payer system so that everyone has access to the help they need? Nah, we may as well not talk about that either. Wink

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

Closing loopholes of how you can get a gun and gun registries might help. Maybe. I agree we need much better treatment for the mentally ill. A comprehensive single payer system so that everyone has access to the help they need? Nah, we may as well not talk about that either. Wink

How.. he didn't get it legal in the first place. If he had gone through a "loophole" you would have a point.
Right now my husband has to wait a month to pick up a new hunting rifle he bought.. He easily could have stolen one to do nafarious purposes.. only the law abiding citizens.. ABIDE by the law Smile

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LOL Nothing to talk about! Just another gunman in an elementary school, nothing to see here.

We COULD talk about ways to make it harder for mentally ill/criminal people to get guns.

We COULD talk about a single payer system that provides access to comprehensive mental healthcare.

We COULD but we won't, until the next gunman starts shooting in the next public place, and then we won't because there will be excuses about why it's not the gun's fault or why we shouldn't bother making laws because people will just break them, or because it's too soon (like a single day goes by in this country without gun violence....so when will it ever not be "too soon.")

You know what, you guys are right. I'm way too bitter to talk about this on this board. Question withdrawn.

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There are definitely some worthy topics here.

1. Prescribing drugs for very young children.
2. Caring for the mentally ill.
3. Healthcare access.
4. Security in schools.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

There are definitely some worthy topics here.

1. Prescribing drugs for very young children.
2. Caring for the mentally ill.
3. Healthcare access.
4. Security in schools.

Absolutely. It makes much more sense to talk about that than discuss creating another law for someone to break who was already doing something that was illegal.

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I seriously don't get the thought process behind people saying "why bother with laws...people will just break them anyway!". So why is it okay to make laws for, say, driving - like no cell phones/texting - but not tougher gun laws????

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"mommydearest" wrote:

I seriously don't get the thought process behind people saying "why bother with laws...people will just break them anyway!". So why is it okay to make laws for, say, driving - like no cell phones/texting - but not tougher gun laws????

There are already gun laws. This guy couldn't legally own or buy a gun. How can you make something that is already illegal MORE illegal?

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"mommydearest" wrote:

I seriously don't get the thought process behind people saying "why bother with laws...people will just break them anyway!". So why is it okay to make laws for, say, driving - like no cell phones/texting - but not tougher gun laws????

I don't agree that we should not bother with them, but I think THIS event doesn't lead to a debate about gun laws since the gun was purchased illegally anyway. So no gun laws would have prevented it unless we could go back in time and make the laws tough enough that the illegal guns wouldn't have gotten out there in the first place.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Nothing to talk about. He was a convicted felon so wouldn't have been able to purchase the gun legally. More gun control laws wouldn't have changed a thing, since it was already illegal for him to have it. Maybe we should debate enforcement of existing gun laws?

This sounds familiar though. Maybe we should talk about better treatment and management of people with mental illness. It is obvious he was trying to commit suicide by cop.

Brother of Suspected Georgia Gunman Felt He Would 'Do Something Stupid' - Yahoo!

Exactly right. Exactly why guns are way too easy to get for ANYONE. Thank you.