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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But it isn't a task force to stop anti-gay bullying. It is a task force to stop bullying.
    Did I read the wrong article? It said that gay teens are committing suicide because they're being bullied. That is the situation that prompted the creation of the task force. It's anti-bullying, but it was created because of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I know you wouldn't Bonita. I know you are a kind hearted person. I'm trying to see your point and I'm failing. No one is saying
    that a CC could never make a great member of the task force. A CC who has actively been hurtful to 1 group of people (whether gay, another race, gender etc.) is what makes THAT person a bad choice.


    Laurie~ I know it's not just about marriage but it's been a huge example throughout this so I just continued with it
    Aww, how sweet.

    I disagree that just voting for candidate that are against same sex marriage are bullying or bad people, which is what has been said or portrayed on this debate. If the person who wanted to be on the task force went up to a gay student and said "You Fag", then I would agree that of course they should not be on the task force. I do not think just voting for someone or something means you are physically bullying that group of people. For example, I have heard rumors that Obama is in support of Infanticide. I am not sure if this is true or not, but for the sake of debate, lets say he is. Does that mean that you and every other person who votes for Obama is in support of Infanticide? Or before you are a part of any task force are we going to get some kind of record of who you have ever voted for a check out what each of those politicians have ever supported? You can not use who someone votes for as a sole reason to have or not have that person on a task force.

    I do realise in the OP, it is more that he was a part of a group, but it has also been said just who you vote for makes you a bully. I disagree. I also disagree that just being part of a group makes you a bully. For example, there are many people who want tax payer money to go toward Planned Parenthood because they do more than just abortions. They do a lot of good as well. The same as other groups that are in support of the traditional view of marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Did I read the wrong article? It said that gay teens are committing suicide because they're being bullied. That is the situation that prompted the creation of the task force. It's anti-bullying, but it was created because of that.
    It actually said 7 teens committed suicide. Only 3 of them were gay. So I guess its not just for gay kids.
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    An article I read said at least 8 suicides and at least 4 of them were gay. So a minimum 1/2 of the suicides involved gay kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Aww, how sweet.

    I disagree that just voting for candidate that are against same sex marriage are bullying or bad people, which is what has been said or portrayed on this debate. If the person who wanted to be on the task force went up to a gay student and said "You Fag", then I would agree that of course they should not be on the task force. I do not think just voting for someone or something means you are physically bullying that group of people. For example, I have heard rumors that Obama is in support of Infanticide. I am not sure if this is true or not, but for the sake of debate, lets say he is. Does that mean that you and every other person who votes for Obama is in support of Infanticide? Or before you are a part of any task force are we going to get some kind of record of who you have ever voted for a check out what each of those politicians have ever supported? You can not use who someone votes for as a sole reason to have or not have that person on a task force.

    I do realise in the OP, it is more that he was a part of a group, but it has also been said just who you vote for makes you a bully. I disagree. I also disagree that just being part of a group makes you a bully. For example, there are many people who want tax payer money to go toward Planned Parenthood because they do more than just abortions. They do a lot of good as well. The same as other groups that are in support of the traditional view of marriage.
    If he truly supported that I wouldn't vote for him. Because yes, then a vote for him while supporting that boomerangs back to me. Voting means ~hey I'm okay with this extreme view you have.

    Not to say that it means you have to agree on everything but I don't vote for pro life candidates either. Those are BIG and important topics.

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    I am guessing that more than half the adults on the task force are in support of gay rights and same sex marriage. One person on the force to represent the rest of the groups is not going to hurt anything. Perhaps it could put out there other points of view. In my experience task forces do not normally try to get all of one group of people just rubber stamped, but a group of a variety of people with a variety of points of view is normally what a task force is. To say that anyone against same sex marriage can not join is very much a "Well you are not popular, and you are not like us, so we don't want you". In my opinion, that is exactly what the task force is trying to prevent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am guessing that more than half the adults on the task force are in support of gay rights and same sex marriage. One person on the force to represent the rest of the groups is not going to hurt anything. Perhaps it could put out there other points of view. In my experience task forces do not normally try to get all of one group of people just rubber stamped, but a group of a variety of people with a variety of points of view is normally what a task force is. To say that anyone against same sex marriage can not join is very much a "Well you are not popular, and you are not like us, so we don't want you". In my opinion, that is exactly what the task force is trying to prevent.
    It's not a you are not popular so we don't want you thing, it's a "how can you protect kids that you think don't even deserve the same rights as you" thing?

    You have said over and over again that I am a bully against CCs, but I have never once proposed that CCs should not be able to practice their religion or hold their views or anything like that. I have only said that a) they shouldn't be able to make their religion the law for the rest of us and b) if you have such a problem with a group of people that you don't even consider them your equal under the law, how are you going to protect them? I do consider CCs my equal under the law. I think that some CCs have a big blind spot in some areas, but I've never said that they are "bad people". The truth is that everyone (myself included) is a mix of good and bad, and we all have blind spots. I get that. But, if your blind spot happens to be for the very people you're trying to protect, that may not be a good fit. It's like if I was a super nice person, except that I thought that women shouldn't be able to vote, and then I wanted to be on a task force to stop discrimination against people, including women. I might not be a great fit for that particular job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    It's not a you are not popular so we don't want you thing, it's a "how can you protect kids that you think don't even deserve the same rights as you" thing?

    You have said over and over again that I am a bully against CCs, but I have never once proposed that CCs should not be able to practice their religion or hold their views or anything like that. I have only said that a) they shouldn't be able to make their religion the law for the rest of us and b) if you have such a problem with a group of people that you don't even consider them your equal under the law, how are you going to protect them? I do consider CCs my equal under the law. I think that some CCs have a big blind spot in some areas, but I've never said that they are "bad people". The truth is that everyone (myself included) is a mix of good and bad, and we all have blind spots. I get that. But, if your blind spot happens to be for the very people you're trying to protect, that may not be a good fit. It's like if I was a super nice person, except that I thought that women shouldn't be able to vote, and then I wanted to be on a task force to stop discrimination against people, including women. I might not be a great fit for that particular job.
    A while back you said something along the lines that anyone who votes against same sex marriage is a bigot. In my opinion that is a pretty hateful term. I could be wrong, and maybe I am taking it wrong, but in my opinion that means you think they are a bad person. I do not think someone who is open about such a belief is any better served on an anti bullying force than someone who is against same sex marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    A while back you said something along the lines that anyone who votes against same sex marriage is a bigot. In my opinion that is a pretty hateful term. I could be wrong, and maybe I am taking it wrong, but in my opinion that means you think they are a bad person. I do not think someone who is open about such a belief is any better served on an anti bullying force than someone who is against same sex marriage.
    You admitted that someone who votes against same sex marriage is "not super tolerant." Not super tolerant, plus actively working to hurt the families they are intolerant against *IS* bigoted if you ask me. I don't know how to get around that. But I do think that they have the same right to their opinions and beliefs that I do, if that helps.
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    From the article:

    Some parents in Minnesota's Anoka-Hennepin School District are upset that a man who deems homosexuality a "lifestyle choice" and "sexual disorder" now sits on a task force created to protect students -- particularly lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students -- from bullying.
    This policy was a target of a lawsuit filed against the district last fall on behalf of a sixth student victim to gay bullying, who argued that the rule keeps teachers from being able to protect students who are perceived as gay from harassment. The Southern Poverty Law Center and the National Center for Lesbian rights filed suit in July on behalf of five other students -- three who identify themselves as gay or bisexual and two who do not -- for similar allegations.
    The key here is "who identify themselves". It's possible that the other students who were bullied were either gay and not admitting it, or being called gay by others and harassed because of it. Hardly uncommon.

    The district's new anti-bullying task force was created as part of a settlement for those lawsuits as well as an agreement this year with the U.S. Department of Justice, whose civil rights investigation found that Anoka-Hennepin's sex-based bullying contributed to a "hostile environment." The agency reported that students said they were subject to to harsh and persistent harassment for being gay, perceived as gay or failing to conform to gender stereotypes. While the students reported abuse to the school, teachers and administrators failed to protect them.
    (All the highlights/links came from the article, not me.)
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