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    I am not sure how to express how I feel on this issue. Being homosexual or living a homosexual lifestyle has nothing to do with going or not going to hell. I know no one who would say "if you have gay sex you will go to hell because you did this". In my opinion it is a completely separate issue to a child can not talk to another child about their religion and part of that religion is believing that some people do go to hell. It is using homosexuality as an excuse to tell children they do not have freedom of speech and can not talk about their religion.

    Whether or not you agree (or I agree), what someone is saying when they talk about hell is that if you are not Christian you will go to hell, not if you are homosexual you will go to hell. I do not believe this is bullying unless you are aggressive or mean in your talking. The words themself are not bullying if they are in a peaceful conversation between two students. For example two students sitting down together at lunch. One student asks the other student "what do you think happens after death?" and the other student answers. On the other hand, if you were to go up to another student standing in the lunch line and say aggressively "You terrible person, you are going to hell because you are gay" of course that would be bullying.

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    Bonita that's what we're trying to say. Having this belief is not wrong (we may disagree but I will always argue that you have the right to believe what you believe)

    Going knowingly into a conversation where there is a chance that you might get your feelings hurt is a chance we all take when we engaged in deep conversation especially on morality.

    Sadly, many kids (I'm going to generalize on the LGBT group right now...not because they are the only one but just the one we're talking about) DO get these phrases thrown at them to make them feel bad and feel there is nothing that they can do to control similar to someone getting picked on for wearing glasses.

    The man in the article is part of a group that wants to stop LGBT from being bullied because he thinks that homosexuality is wrong. He has every right to think that. He has no right to encourage hateful behavior to others.
    Last edited by Jessica80; 10-22-2012 at 11:07 PM. Reason: Because I always forget it is Bonita and not Alyssa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    He has no right to encourage hateful behavior to others.
    Can you tell me what hateful behavior he has encouraged?

    ETA - Is he encouraging kids to go up to other kids and throw things at them or start screaming at them that they are going to hell? (Again, not the same as two kids having a peaceful conversation)
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    Earlier it was said that Gloria would not be a good choice for this group because of her stance on the homosexual issue. However, I think you can be against bullying, and still not be in support of same sex marriage. For example, I can personally think homosexuallity is a sin, but not be in support of beating up every homosexual I see. Bullying (Yelling at someone, spitting at, beating up) is something that I think many if not most Christians would be against. That is not to say though that someone who is against same sex marriage should not be able to peacefully state their opinion to their friends.
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    Bonita- I don't think that anyone is talking about a peaceful "what do you think happens when you die?" conversation between friends when they are talking about bullying. I would agree that is not bullying. Proactively telling someone "F@gs burn in hell" is the sort of thing we're talking about. And yes, that really happens. And no, schools should not tolerate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Earlier it was said that Gloria would not be a good choice for this group because of her stance on the homosexual issue. However, I think you can be against bullying, and still not be in support of same sex marriage. For example, I can personally think homosexuallity is a sin, but not be in support of beating up every homosexual I see. Bullying (Yelling at someone, spitting at, beating up) is something that I think many if not most Christians would be against. That is not to say though that someone who is against same sex marriage should not be able to peacefully state their opinion to their friends.
    I would call denying someone equal rights under the law bullying for sure. It's certainly more harmful to their lives and their families than spitting on them, yelling at them, or even beating them up (unless you kill them, I suppose.)
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    This town seems like it's got real problems with gay teens. Another news story about the way gay teens are currently treated in this town....

    Anoka, Minnesota's 'Halloween Capital Of The World,' Turns Away LGBT Youth Group

    Anoka, Minnesota may bill itself as the "Halloween Capital of the World," but lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) trick-or-treaters might be better off taking their October revelry elsewhere.


    As Minnesota Public Radio is reporting, organizers of the town's annual Halloween parade have denied a request from an LGBT youth group to participate. The letter is quoted as stating: "At this time we are unable to accept your application for the parade. We have reached our maximum for walking units," and is signed "Liz," who is identified as the parade chair.


    The vice president of Justin's Gift, a group created to support gay youth after several suicides in the Anoka-Hennepin School District, said kids who planned to participate were "pretty upset" by the news, and that he was "confused and mystified" as to the denial of the request. "We're trying to show these kids that they're part of the community and unfortunately it backfired and sent a completely different message," Jefferson Fietek is quoted as saying, noting that about 30 students had planned to march in the parade dressed as their favorite fairytale characters.


    According to the official Justin's Gift website, a Halloween dance for members was being planned as an alternative to the parade.
    The decision follows months of controversy surrounding the treatment of LGBT youth in the Anoka-Hennepin School District, which also happens to be the home district of GOP congresswoman Michele Bachmann. In February, Rolling Stone published a controversial article, "One Town's War On Gay Teens," which implied that local evangelicals in the area had contributed to "an extreme anti-gay climate."

    "At Anoka Middle School for the Arts, after Kyle Rooker was urinated upon from above in a boys' bathroom stall, an associate principal told him, 'It was probably water,'" Sabrina Rubin Erdely wrote. "Jackson Middle School seventh-grader Dylon Frei was passed notes saying, 'Get out of this town, fag'; when a teacher intercepted one such note, she simply threw it away."


    After the article was published, Anoka-Hennepin school district officials released a statement calling the story a "grossly distorted portrayal."
    Another article I read (on the admittedly biased Change.org) said that they had contacted the police chief of the town and that he had stated that there should be no problem with making space. Of course, who knows what they police chief has to do with organizing the parade.

    And Rolling Stone's article about the local politics surrounding gay teens:

    One Town's War on Gay Teens | Politics News | Rolling Stone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    And no, schools should not tolerate that.
    Of course. You are going to have bullys in any group of people. That does not make it the norm. That does not mean no one against same sex marriage can be against bullying. That would be like saying no muslims can be in America because some of them are extremist that bomb people.

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    We're not saying that they can't be on a bully prevention task force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    We're not saying that they can't be on a bully prevention task force.
    I am.

    Denying people equal rights and protections under the law because you disapprove of their "lifestyle" is no different than yelling at them or beating them up because you disapprove of them; except that it is even more extreme. It IS bullying, and I don't believe that bullies have a place on an anti-bullying task force.
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