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    Secession petitions filed on White House Web site

    From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments.


    While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week?s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.


    Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.


    ?We petition the Obama Administration to peacefully grant the State of Alabama to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government,? reads the Alabama petition. The following text is the same in most of the 20 filed so far:
    As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:


    ?When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature?s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.?


    ??Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government??
    Most of the petitions have a few thousand signatures; many signers appear to be from other states. Under the ?We the People? program, launched last year, the White House will respond to any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days. Anyone over the age of 13 can create a petition. Previous popular petitions demanded the White House beer recipe (success) and marijuana legalization (no success).


    The petitions from Louisiana and Texas, however, are approaching the threshold for a response. They were the first two states represented, followed by Alabama. Petitioners only have to put a first name and last initial on the site.


    Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) raised the idea of secession back in 2009, but he has since made clear that he has no interest in it. Tennessee Rep. Zach Wamp (R) suggested in 2010 that some states might have to ?consider separation from this government? should the leadership in Washington not change. ?I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government,? he said.
    So is secession a reasonable response if you don't like the outcome of a democratic election ("democratic" in this sense not meant to reference the Democratic party, but instead the process of democracy)? Do you think states should be allowed to secede if that is what the majority of the people in that state want? Would you want your state to secede if you did not like the outcome of a presidential election (generally speaking - obviously this election would be relevant to Conservatives, but an election where a Conservative won such as 2000 and 2004 or future elections would be relevant to liberals.) Any other thoughts?
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    You know Alissa, I've been mulling over posting something on this for a couple days.
    It's insane. How freaking crazy. Talk about acting like children throwing a tantrum. 'I don't like this, so i'm going to run away! *stomp stomp stomp*'

    Is it just me, or is it wwaaaayyyy over the top of any other election result reaction ever.


    Here's another that got me thinking:

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    I don't think we should secede but I am big on state's rights and think the Federal Government is taking on waaay more than what is allowed in the Constitution, so I can understand their frustration. Hopefully having a Republican Congress will hold the tide back enough for the next 4 years so that we can continue the fight to return the power back to the states where it was meant to be.

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    I guess I do think if the majority (I am thinking super majority, like 75%) of a State wanted to succeed they should be able to.

    I live in TN. I can see it happening that if the Government succeeded in making tax payers having to pay for abortions there would be a cry to succeed. The social values between two groups of people are hugely different. One group of people believes that abortion is murder and no different than murdering already born children. They believe Same Sex Marriage is wrong, as well as other social issues. The other group of people feel poller opposite. I am not sure how these issues will be rectified. I know many people here that feel a civil war is inevitable (Not saying I am one of them, just that I know people that feel this way). There are a great many people here who believe abortion is just as wrong as slavery was and are not willing to just sit back and let it happen. I would guess there would be a great many people in TN that would succeed if they could.

    Now I grew up in WNY, and I know for fact the vast majority of WNY wishes they could be a separate state than NYC.

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    We regularly have this political debate in Canada. Quebec has tried separating, several times. I'm so sick of it now that I'm almost at the point of saying "Fine, go, but leave our military, currency, fed govt., health system, banks, etc. etc. etc. at the door when you leave. And oh ya, I'm super happy I don't have to sing the national anthem in two languages anymore." Their new premiere is a separatist. They're crazy, and I see another referendum in our not too distant future.

    Sorry, bit of a tangent, but a debate that I've crossed sides in through the past 20 years. At first I was like "Oh no. Don't go, Quebec is part of Canada's multicultural fabric blah blah blah!!" and now I don't care. The only part that really concerns me is that the country will literally be geographically severed in two pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    We regularly have this political debate in Canada. Quebec has tried separating, several times. I'm so sick of it now that I'm almost at the point of saying "Fine, go, but leave our military, currency, fed govt., health system, banks, etc. etc. etc. at the door when you leave. And oh ya, I'm super happy I don't have to sing the national anthem in two languages anymore." Their new premiere is a separatist. They're crazy, and I see another referendum in our not too distant future.

    Sorry, bit of a tangent, but a debate that I've crossed sides in through the past 20 years. At first I was like "Oh no. Don't go, Quebec is part of Canada's multicultural fabric blah blah blah!!" and now I don't care. The only part that really concerns me is that the country will literally be geographically severed in two pieces.

    Quebec Votes 2012: The most dangerous election in decades - Canada, Quebec Election - Macleans.ca
    Honestly, this may be because I'm feeling super grouchy today, but this is kind of how I feel. Of course, there is a petition for my own beloved CO, and I certainly don't want us to secede (not that we would anyway - anyone can start a petition, but we went blue this year so presumably more of our folks are happy about Obama winning than are unhappy). But kind of in general, I feel like "If you don't care about being a part of the USA just because your side lost an election, and you would rather pick up your toys a go home....don't let the door hit you." And yes, leave all of our federal aid, military, currency, et cetera at the door when you go.
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    Sorry - double post
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    People in Upstate NY joke about seceding, but any NYer with a right head about them would be crazy to seriously suggest it. Speaking not a western NYer, but as an upstate NYer. It would be terrible for upstate, as much as we complain about the city getting a lot of the money and attention, it also creates a lot of money and attention. And its not like CT or NJ who are small and close enough to mooch off the benefits of the city. The rest of NY is too big.

    And really the same goes for any state that would think about seceding from the Union. If they honestly think they would be better off, i think they are sorely mistaken.

    I was listening to something on the radio once...it was about Lincoln, and the question was why he wasn't ready to just let states secede from the union, and it talked about how he had a vision..an accurate one, on the benefits of being a united country...for everyone, instead of little broken up countries.

    I don't know what would be 'appropriate' circumstances to just let a state secede. I hesitate to say "just because they want to" is a good enough reason.

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    I wish California would secede then the rest of us wouldn't keep having to foot the bill because they keep going bankrupt and the Federal government has to bail them out.
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    I agree Alissa. Filing a petition to secede and being granted the opportunity should be there but doubt that it would ever actually happen.

    I just don't understand why "We have differing opinions" means "We need to get out of here!" My father and I have differing thoughts and I never think I want to emancipate myself from my family.

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