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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    No if the federal government made it legal to kill all children age 2 and under, I would not want to secede, because then I would have even less of a say about it. By staying a part of the country, I could continue to fight to raise awareness, change minds, get people on my side. By removing myself from from the country, I would remove my ability to change things for those kids.

    Having said that, no I do not think that abortion is the same as killing a born baby. Again, if a mother does not want to or is unable to care for a born baby, the state can take over care of the baby. This is simply not true for a fetus prior to the point of viability. It's not like the mom can say "I don't want this child" and then the state has some super lab where the baby can live in a test tube until they are ready to be born. If we DID have that technology, it would open up a whole new can of worms about the ethics of keeping millions of unborn children alive only to have them put into state care, but we don't have that technology so the point is moot. The two just can't be compared in my mind.
    Doesn't matter if you think it isn't murder or is murder. Fact is a large percentage of the people in your country do think it is murder. We are a split country on the issue of abortion.
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    She lives in Colorado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
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    I'm not sure what your point is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Doesn't matter if you think it isn't murder or is murder. Fact is a large percentage of the people in your country do think it is murder. We are a split country on the issue of abortion.
    Okay. People are allowed to think that if they want. I'm just saying, I wouldn't want my state to secede over the issue.
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    But that's an issue that you waiver with, right? Like you used to be pro-life. What if it was an issue that you are very strongly against? What if the United States voted to make homosexuality illegal and there was little chance there would be a repeal of the law? What if we were like some other first world countries and outlawed the Muslim head piece (please don't think I'm trying to be disrespectful, I just don't remember what it's called)?

    Seriously, that is how some people feel with the way our finances are being handled. Don't you ever wonder what kind of legacy we're leaving our kids?

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    Yes, I definitely waiver about it. I find abortion to be a tragedy, and certainly not a black and white issue. I understand why pro-life people feel the way they do because I kind of feel that way too. I get it. I've come back to the pro-choice side after years of waivering and may yet change my mind again before all is said and done. But no matter what side I've been on, I've never wanted to secede from the US over it.

    Gay marriage is currently illegal in most of the US, which I am EXTREMELY passionate about. But that is also not a reason to secede. It's a reason to keep running my mouth about it, keep trying to get people to see my POV, keep debating and marching in Pride and voting, and just keep working towards what I see to be the right thing. I won't stop when gay marriage is legal in my state, because I don't just care about the people in my state.

    Laws can be repealed if the law is unconstitutional and you raise enough awareness about it. I don't accept that currently losing is a reason to withdraw. If so, I'd be looking to move to one of the states where gay marriage is currently legal.
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    I agree with Alissa, you do nothing by seceding.

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    I'm not talking about Gay Marriage. I'm talking about committing a homosexual act. I'm saying would you want to remain a part of a country that felt like it could tell people what they can and cannot do with another consenting (and able to) adult just because that person is the same sex? Or would you feel like they've overstepped their bounds as a government and want to withdraw?

    Also, the Constitution is being trampled on daily, most every law Congress has passed for quite some time is not constitutional; do you think awareness is bringing them back to what it's supposed to be? I don't.

    Being able to Move To Another State Where it's legal is the whole point I (and a lot of my friends) is trying to make!!!!!

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    No, I would not want to withdraw. I would not want to move, I would stay and fight to change the law. I can't think of a single reason why I would want to secede. This country is my home and I love it and I can't imagine giving up on it. Sorry. Like I said before, if people truly want to secede, I don't think that we should go to war to stop it, but I won't agree that it's a totally reasonable and understandable choice.
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