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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I wish California would secede then the rest of us wouldn't keep having to foot the bill because they keep going bankrupt and the Federal government has to bail them out.
    Based purely on economics (which states receive more federal money than they give) I would prefer to keep CA (which has given a surplus of 18B over the past 20 years) and get rid of most of the red states (which are aptly named! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post

    I just don't understand why "We have differing opinions" means "We need to get out of here!" My father and I have differing thoughts and I never think I want to emancipate myself from my family.
    No, but you are not being forced to pay for things that you are morally against. Just last night I was reading articles about the Hobby Lobby and how it is going to really suffer due to the Healthcare mandates. Basically pay for abortions or pay millions of dollars in fines. The government should not be able to do that and I can understand the desire to not be apart of such a country. Right now we have freedom of religion, but there are people who are fighting with all of their being to take away all religion from anywhere but your own home. I can see how the Pilgrims wanted to go somewhere new where they could practice there own religion how they see fit. I can also see how if the country continues down the path that it is headed today that people will just want to be able to be in a place that they can be left alone to worship however they see fit. That means not having to pay outrageous fees and taxes to support things that are morally abhorrent to you.

    I know there were many people who were utterly upset to have to pay for wars that they did not support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I can also see how if the country continues down the path that it is headed today that people will just want to be able to be in a place that they can be left alone to worship however they see fit. That means not having to pay outrageous fees and taxes to support things that are morally abhorrent to you.

    I know there were many people who were utterly upset to have to pay for wars that they did not support.
    Isn't the death penalty funded by taxpayers?

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    But paying into insurance doesn't mean you agree with all that it covers. I have several qualms with how much medication is prescribed in this country but I don't get a say on where my $ goes on that.

    The Pilgrims were looking for a place to worship openly. You can still worship openly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post

    The Pilgrims were looking for a place to worship openly. You can still worship openly.
    Yes we can now, but there are people that wish we could not and want to make it so we can not. I can understand wanting to succeed if we ever got to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Yes we can now, but there are people that wish we could not and want to make it so we can not. I can understand wanting to succeed if we ever got to that point.
    Who is this that is telling you you cannot openly worship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Isn't the death penalty funded by taxpayers?
    The death penalty at least varies by state. If you do not agree with it, just move to a different state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Based purely on economics (which states receive more federal money than they give) I would prefer to keep CA (which has given a surplus of 18B over the past 20 years) and get rid of most of the red states (which are aptly named! )

    America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist
    California is going down the tubes pretty quickly it won't be long til they are in the red.

    Moody's: More Calif. cities could go bankrupt - CBS News
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Yes we can now, but there are people that wish we could not and want to make it so we can not. I can understand wanting to succeed if we ever got to that point.
    Like who? I've never seen a legitimate push to deter any sort of public worship except that it cannot be state sanctioned (so for example, a school cannot lead a class prayer because that is construed as a state sanctioning religion, but individual students are free to pray to their hearts' content as long as they aren't disrupting class by being loud (they aren't allowed to disrupt class anyway, not just because of religion.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Who is this that is telling you you cannot openly worship?
    I just said we can openly worship now. The direction that the country is moving is to not be able to worship in any public place. There are people who are fighting to make this a secular/Atheist country. I can understand (Not saying it is what I would want or do, but that I can understand the point) of wanting to live in a State that was not hostile to all things religious.

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