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    Do you read all of my posts or just the first sentence and then go off on what you think I might have typed OR are you just that bad at reading comprehension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
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    Good to know that there are people throwing temper tantrums over democracy all over this great land. Since they don't like democracy (unless their side is in the majority) I wonder what system they would prefer?
    Why don't y'all just build a big a$$ American style Berlin wall and you can live in relative peace? Reps on one side, Dems on the other.
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    That's the problem. It shouldn't be that much of a difference the way our federal government is *supposed* to be set up. The current president is probably not that much worse than his opponent, but they both are representing political parties that have lost their damn minds AND forgotten what the constitution says. It does not say "redistribute wealth when the 1% are richer"; it does not say "fight everyone in the world's wars and try to implement our democracy in their country". It does not say "make laws the states have to abide by even if the federal government can't even handle their immigration problem"; It does NOT say "implement healthcare laws and tax those who don't want to play".

    Both candidates were a step in the wrong direction, it's just one is a step soooo large I really don't think our kids will be able to pay off his debt, fix the errors that are being made, and fix our standing with the rest of the world. I live in the United States of America, I don't want to live in Canada II, Mexico II, or some melting pot of the failed crap over in Europe. If people would just realize that a large federal government NEVER ends well, maybe we could go back to being a leader instead of whatever the **** we are now. I'm NOT proud to be an American lately and that's sad for me because the change happened somewhere after I signed the contract and promised another four years. Maybe if the states really do secede, they can create what was meant to be instead of this horrible, insane, nasty mess of rich people paying for their politicians and the media and a congress/judicial system/president that have WAY overstepped their bounds.

    eta-The way the Constitution is set up is that the States make these choices everyone is divided on. If we actually used the damn thing, there wouldn't be a need for anyone to file a petition. They'd just move to the state that had their laws. I'd feel bad for Colorado...they'd get all the potheads. And I'd feel bad for my fellow Louisiana residents; we'd get all the fatties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    eta-The way the Constitution is set up is that the States make these choices everyone is divided on. If we actually used the damn thing, there wouldn't be a need for anyone to file a petition. They'd just move to the state that had their laws. I'd feel bad for Colorado...they'd get all the potheads. And I'd feel bad for my fellow Louisiana residents; we'd get all the fatties.
    I have to agree with you here, Lillie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    Do you read all of my posts or just the first sentence and then go off on what you think I might have typed OR are you just that bad at reading comprehension?
    This is rude. Please stop sniping at each other.
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    Lillie, I disagree. When you have people wanting to secede in essence because "their guy" lost a fair election and someone else won, I see that as having a problem with democracy. I also don't think that "States rights" will fix the divide in ideology. In every single state, there were people who voted for both sides. And I *don't* think that a great solution for a lot of these things is "If you don't like the laws in this state, move to another."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Lillie, I disagree. When you have people wanting to secede in essence because "their guy" lost a fair election and someone else won, I see that as having a problem with democracy. I also don't think that "States rights" will fix the divide in ideology. In every single state, there were people who voted for both sides. And I *don't* think that a great solution for a lot of these things is "If you don't like the laws in this state, move to another."
    But that is the whole point of the way it was set up. Like minded people who live in a certain state should have the right to set up their government the way they want it without interference from the Feds. Certain powers were given to the Federal government in the constitution, and ANYTHING ELSE is controlled by the state. If not why even have different states? That is a big part of the reason I live in Texas and not California. I don't want to live in a nanny state.
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    I can't even figure out how it how it would work. What would my state called, the United Counties of Texas? And would we need Visas or lose status for the other states? What if there was war? Omg this is such a lousy idea.
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    Maybe that's why we don't have problems like you guys are having right now - yeah, we're way more socialist if you want to call us that, but federal vs. provincial control/legislation is well defined. Our federal govt, for most things, stays out of the business of the provinces and we run ourselves without the feds' involvement, even in healthcare. Our feds don't tell the provinces what they have to offer in terms of health care, the provinces manage their own health spending and so on. So weird, eh? We are socialist yet basically a country governed almost independently by the separate provinces and territories, yet we seem to have lots of common threads running through each province in terms of the way we want the entire country run. Huh. I never thought of it that way before. Sorry, just thinking out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But that is the whole point of the way it was set up. Like minded people who live in a certain state should have the right to set up their government the way they want it without interference from the Feds. Certain powers were given to the Federal government in the constitution, and ANYTHING ELSE is controlled by the state. If not why even have different states? That is a big part of the reason I live in Texas and not California. I don't want to live in a nanny state.
    I guess it depends on whether you put value in the fact that we are supposed to be a unified country or not. Else why bother having a country at all, why not just have a series of countries each with their own deal? I know that is what secessionists are arguing for, but that certainly isn't the way the country was set up. I think it's great that states have local governments to deal with local issues, but I also think it's great that we have a federal government that deals with the overarching issues that effect the entire country. I think we need both, and I think the Constitution sets up both. I'm happy to live in a country united with my fellow states, and I understand that part of that involves my state working with the federal government. I get that sucks sometimes - right now the big question in CO is whether the feds will come in and enforce the federal laws against MJ even though we the people voted to make it legal. It's a negotiating act for sure. But I personally think it's worth it, and I cannot IMAGINE wanting to secede if Mitt Romney had won. I wouldn't have liked it, but I wouldn't have been willing to renounce my citizenship over it. I see myself as a US citizen first, and a CO citizen second.
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