Dressing modestly to me does not automatically equate with wearing a baggy dress. I also would disagree that a woman wearing summer clothes automatically indicates that she is dressing immodestly. I love that there are beautiful women (and men... and boys.. and girls) in all shapes and sizes.
That said, I can share that we are perhaps more selective in what we choose as clothing for ourselves and our children. Those short shorts or skirts that barely cover a pair of underwear underneath (if at all) are not on our shopping list. Bathing suits - I'm sure we would be considered more conservative (no thongs :P)
While I grasp the point that men (and women) should be in control of their own (lustful) thoughts, I don't automatically make the leap that those that exercise training to look in a person's eyes when they are talking to them as irresponsible would-be rapists either.
Is there not any clothing that you (general) would find inappropriate? I also do believe that many times we (male and female) DO choose our clothing / outfit based upon a desire to be attractive to others. (Same with doing our hair, makeup, nails, etc.) I also would not believe that it was a stretch to think that *some* (not all or at all times) teen girls (and grown women) DO dress sexually provocative with that as their intent. Same for *some* young men taking off their shirts and flexing their muscles. :P They are doing so to try and attract attention. Clothing / Department stores recognize the sexual appeal of some outfits as is seen within their advertisements. There is also a difference in those that opt to dress cute and flirty vs. going for the street-walker look. I hope to promote the former. :)
For those that have decided that they wish to avoid sexual temptations -- they may choose to 'avert their eyes' or engage others by looking in their eyes vs. focusing on their body. That does NOT mean that they cannot find others attractive... nor does it mean that they WILL "lust" after someone automatically. I do not believe in today's world that it is necessary to take it to the extremes that the kid bumping into things would. Goodness, if that was the case, there would be any number of accidents by anyone trying to navigate an interstate with all the billboards that use 'sex appeal' to sell their product / service. There is, however, nothing wrong with someone making the CHOICE to not ogle or focus attention elsewhere.
I've never seen anyone in a thong bathing suit outside of south beach or Europe or South America. Is that really what you envision when a normal mom of kids talks about when she mentions wearing a bikini? Weird. I'd hardly call choosing not to wear a thong suit conservative. Wearing one wound be wildly outrageous around here. I think looking people in the eyes isn't some moral choice- that's called NORMAL. Do non modest dressers really stare at women's breasts when they address them where you live? Outrageous and unacceptable. And yes, of course we dress to be attractive- study after study proves that like it or not attractiveness figures into success in school, the workforce, and even life in general. Don't confuse dressing attractively with dressing provocatively. In fact- dressing provocatively at work or school often has very negative connotations and outcomes, statistically.
Looking at people's faces is how humans interact in normal society. Not looking at the floor- and NOT creating dress codes for women based upon men's unstoppable lustful natures.
Robbie's school has a dress code, skirts/shorts have to be fingertip length or longer, straps must be 3 fingers or wider. For both the measurements are taken on the particular child. I believe you get one warning and next time you are sent home. I think it is very reasonable but I have heard a couple of the parents complain that their 8 year old girls can't wear shorts that pretty much show their underwear.
This has become a terribly strange debate to me!
The woman who wrote the original article seemed to me to be talking about normal everyday (therefore slightly revealing) summer clothing and how it creates a problem for her son. She was at a church camp or something. Did I read it wrong?
Women are just pure eeeeveeel. :) Damn temptresses, some of us.
Margaret offered a good example. Within most (if not all) schools there are some limitations on wearing skirts / shorts -- either at fingertip length or longer. Why do you believe these schools have that policy? As a parent, is it inappropriate to offer those same type of guides for skirts/shorts outside of school?
Again, are there no clothing choices that you would find inappropriate / unacceptable? Would you not discuss those with your children? What about behaviors? You mention that your kids "know" not to ogle or behave inappropriately. Those "norms" come from setting an example, offering guidance, etc. Kudos to you for doing so! I hope more parents do for our kids collective future! :) I don't recall anyone arguing that "Christian conservatives" had a corner on appropriate behaviors or modes of dress.
Of COURSE its not inappropriate. You've read my debate posts for 6 years now, Missy, you know quite well how I feel about little girls in pageant / inappropriate clothing, women wearing too tight/inappropriate clothing, etc etc. Part of dressing WELL is dressing well for ones body. My daughter wears long dresses every day and my boys tend to wear longer shorts and polo shirts....but thats just because that it what they prefer. I think that its very sad when kids (and women, I remember reading about someone going to a holiday party in khakis on here.....also inappropriate dress.....it goes both ways) DON'T dress well, but if you read my post to stacey you will see that I don't automatically judge their psyche for it.
This article was about Christian Conservatives.......so while no, they don't have the corner on the market (burkas have been mentioned, you notice)......it is natural that they enter the conversation, don't you think? I also wouldn't say that they have the corner on "appropriate behaviors or modes of dress"......as I believe that this article is advocating wildly INAPPROPRIATE behavior AND dress.
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Most of the ladies there were dressed for a hot summer day. Many with bare skin exposed. Lots of bareness. Yikes, again. Who would have thought he'd have to wrestle with it here?
I noticed a pretty girl nearby and wondered if she realized how difficult she was making it for a guy. Surely, she would have made another choice if she had. She might have thrown a light blouse on over her tank top. Slipped on a longer, breezy skirt. Picked out some walking shorts or a shirt with a higher neckline. She might have covered herself up.
She's talking about women at a Christian camp, dressed for summer. Not thongs or bathing suits. And yes, a tank top.