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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    My body is not a drug and men are not all addicts. That's a downright creepy analogy.
    I think it is a perfect analogy.. and who said ALL men are addicts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    But if I wear summer clothes I'm not pushing anything onto anyone. Same for a teenage girl in shorts.
    We are speaking modest vs immodesty.. IF you are dressing immodestly it does PUSh your sexuality onto people. Whether they have a problem internally or not varies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    We are speaking modest vs immodesty.. IF you are dressing immodestly it does PUSh your sexuality onto people. Whether they have a problem internally or not varies.
    Depends on what you mean by immodestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    They aren't an unlaudable trait are they Potter?... seriously!
    And don't you think this boys parents especially his father was trying to teach him self control and respect and regard for women?
    How? By avoiding women and averting his eyes?
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    I think this is an area where balance is key. Every individual is going to have a different opinion on what is modest. Boys do need to learn to live in and deal with their environment. I love the idea of teaching them not to stare at all and to look into peoples eyes. That said, woman/girls do not need to dress like they are working the street either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    I think it is a perfect analogy
    So....if someone is an alcoholic, is it okay for total strangers to have a cocktail or a beer outside at a sidewalk cafe? I mean, the person could SEE that people are drinking and enjoying themselves.

    I'm not talking about being their friend and inviting them over and shoving a drink into their hands, I'm thinking of this the same way as a total stranger walking around in a summer outfit that shows her legs, her arms, her neck, a bit of cleavage, etc.

    (Drug use is different as it's illegal and so is rarely done out in the open, except at concerts & such.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Well, you actually said they were "some of the more laudable traits". Meaning more laudable than others. And I put baggy dresses really low on my list of truly laudable traits- that mindset is hard for me to relate to. I also know and expect men who are honorable and raised to have self control and immense respect and regard for women so we don't have to hide ourselves away to prevent them from their sinful uncontrollable selves.
    And this is the crux of it for me. Most of the men I know (and all of the men I associate with) are good and decent men who have no trouble controlling themselves even around a pretty lady in a bikini or whatever. I know it can be done, and I actually *don't* believe that we are doing our men and boys any favors by teaching them that the sight of a woman's skin is so tantilizing and tempting that the only way to deal with it is to actively look away and avoid it, lest they lose control of themselves. Yikes! It reminds me of how the Victorians were so enamored with women's ankles that they had to cover up table legs. But after prolonged exposure to table legs (not to mention real lady ankles) the vast majority of men are able to look at an uncovered table without falling into a frenzy of lust. I bet two things. 1) I bet those boys and men still occassionally lust after girls and women no matter how modestly they are dressed, because that is how we're built, and I don't think that a turtle kneck sweater is really going to change that. I can tell you for a fact that I lust after my husband fully clothed all of the time, and I hope he's doing the same for me. 2) I bet that if those men and boys saw lady knees and collarbones all of the time, they would become common place and wouldn't incite any particular lust. I'm not saying they wouldn't lust - they still would just like I'm sure they still do. It just wouldn't be super tantilizing to catch sight of a knee or a flash of tummy, because it would be normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    They aren't an unlaudable trait are they Potter?... seriously!
    And don't you think this boys parents especially his father was trying to teach him self control and respect and regard for women?

    NO, I absolutely don't think that they were trying to teach him respect for women by teaching him that he could not even look at women in natural, normal, heat appropriate clothing. I think that they were teaching him that those women were acting in shameful or sinful ways, which is untrue. To act as though these young girls were being temptresses is wrong and NOT respectful. And yes, I think that it is unlaudable to teach our girls that they are committing sins by dressing in tank tops and shorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    We are speaking modest vs immodesty.. IF you are dressing immodestly it does PUSh your sexuality onto people. Whether they have a problem internally or not varies.
    Do you honestly believe that me wearing a bikini at the beach is pushing my sexuality onto people in the same way that pushing a drink into an alcoholics hand is? That is just scary thinking. I assure you that I wear a bikini because I find it comfortable swimming wear. My husband (and the men in my family and my friends husbands) are able to see me in it without turning into lustful raping beasts, because they grew up in a culture and in families where women wearing bikinis were normal, and they were taught to respect women~ that womens bodies were their own, and that men were in charge of minding and controlling their own lustful desires. It is NOT my job to protect men from themselves.
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    I think it's icky. To me it's very original sin-ish, the female corrupts the male by tempting him with 'forbidden fruit' type thing. It's gross. Puts the onus on the female to curb a man's impure thoughts and that's just so....I can't even find the words.

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