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    So the other day we had a debate about parents who didn't take their child to the hospital, but in this case the parents did the right thing but didn't trust the doctor so wanted a second opinion and took their child to another hospital and then their child was removed from them AFTER they got home from the hospital and taken back to the first hospital. Should CPS have been able to remove this child even though a Doctor said that the child was ok to be taken home?


    A young Russian couple living in California is struggling to understand the events of the past few weeks, which began with a trip to the hospital and continued days later with police forcing entry into the couple?s home to take their child.

    Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex brought their five-month-old boy Sammy to Sacramento?s Sutter Memorial Hospital after he began exhibiting flu symptoms. He had been diagnosed with a heart murmur at birth, according to News 10, a local ABC affiliate.

    Sammy was admitted to the hospital?s Intensive Care Unit, at which point his mother witnessed a nurse administering the baby with antibiotics, apparently without instructions from the doctor.

    ?I asked her, ?For what is that?? And she?s like ?I don?t know.? And then I said ?You?re working as a nurse and you don?t he know what you?re giving my baby??? Anna struggled to explain through her tears.

    Mrs. Nikolayev added that a doctor said the child should not have been given antibiotics, although they did want to perform heart surgery on Sammy immediately. At that point, Anna said, the couple decided to rush Sammy out of the hospital in search of a second opinion on his condition.

    ?If [they made] one mistake after another, I don?t want to let my baby have surgery in the hospital where I don?t feel safe,? she said.

    The parents traveled directly from Sutter Memorial to Kaiser Medical Center in Sacramento, where doctors released Sammy to the care of his parents.

    ?I do not have concern for the safety of the child at home with his parents,? a note from a doctor said. Anna and Alex were forced to show the note to police, who came to the second hospital, presumably after staff at Sutter Memorial called 911.

    ?The police showed up there. They saw the baby was fine,? Anna told News 10. ?They told us that Sutter was telling them so much bad stuff that they thought this baby was dying in our arms. So police saw the report from doctors and said, ?Okay, you guys have a good day,? then walked away.?
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    The parents' story does not make sense. You take your baby to the hospital with flu symptoms - obviously concerned enough about his health to do that to begin with - okay, that's all well and good. You have issues with the care your baby is receiving and want a second opinion - okay, that's not too far-fetched. BUT, you feel okay with your baby being discharged home on that second opinion when you were worried so much about the baby just hours prior, enough to take him to the hospital, and then plead that the 'baby was fine' and that the police should not have removed him from the home. This does not add up. Not in the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    The parents' story does not make sense. You take your baby to the hospital with flu symptoms - obviously concerned enough about his health to do that to begin with - okay, that's all well and good. You have issues with the care your baby is receiving and want a second opinion - okay, that's not too far-fetched. BUT, you feel okay with your baby being discharged home on that second opinion when you were worried so much about the baby just hours prior, enough to take him to the hospital, and then plead that the 'baby was fine' and that the police should not have removed him from the home. This does not add up. Not in the least.
    It makes perfect sense to me. The doctor wanted to do heart surgery immediately for a heart murmur they already knew about and probably had discussed with their own doctor not treat the baby for the flu. If the doctor at the second hospital treated him for the flu and said he was ok to go home why would they think that was a problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It makes perfect sense to me. The doctor wanted to do heart surgery immediately for a heart murmur they already knew about and probably had discussed with their own doctor not treat the baby for the flu. If the doctor at the second hospital treated him for the flu and said he was ok to go home why would they think that was a problem?
    Is that your medical opinion, Gloria? It is well known that influenza can trigger serious heart-related problems in those with existing heart conditions. Who knows how long the baby had been sick for? Further, babies with influenza don't just 'get treated and go home.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Is that your medical opinion, Gloria? It is well known that influenza can trigger serious heart-related problems in those with existing heart conditions. Who knows how long the baby had been sick for? Further, babies with influenza don't just 'get treated and go home.'
    So I guess you know better than the doctor that treated him too?
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    That's a carefully edited version of the story, Gloria. The parents left Sutter Memorial without a doctor's consent for discharge and without signing an Against Medical Advice form. Of course the police were called, because that was basically kidnapping. The baby had been admitted to that hospital, that means the hospital has authority to keep him until he's been properly discharged or his parents acknowledge their legal responsibilities in taking him out AMA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    That's a carefully edited version of the story, Gloria. The parents left Sutter Memorial without a doctor's consent for discharge and without signing an Against Medical Advice form. Of course the police were called, because that was basically kidnapping. The baby had been admitted to that hospital, that means the hospital has authority to keep him until he's been properly discharged or his parents acknowledge their legal responsibilities in taking him out AMA.

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    I didn't post the full article. It says the same thing if you read it all.
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    It seems like all the right stuff happened. If they took the baby AMA the police should have been called. If the baby was totally cleared by the second hospital, the police did the right thing by saying "cool, all is well". Not sure what the debate is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    It seems like all the right stuff happened. If they took the baby AMA the police should have been called. If the baby was totally cleared by the second hospital, the police did the right thing by saying "cool, all is well". Not sure what the debate is?
    I didn't post the whole article. If you read the rest CPS went to their house the next day and took the baby back to the first hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    It seems like all the right stuff happened. If they took the baby AMA the police should have been called. If the baby was totally cleared by the second hospital, the police did the right thing by saying "cool, all is well". Not sure what the debate is?
    If you read the whole article, the police then came back later with CPS and took the baby. I think this is horrible, but I dont think it is one I can debate right now. Interested to see where people fall on this one though.
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