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    Allow me to elaborate.

    One of our posters suggests that we should kill 'anyone who can't be alone with children."

    And another suggests that one of us should "try to keep up" with the debate.

    I am a little freaked out that this is the measure of our discourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post
    Can I just say. . . WTF?

    What? Kill everyone who has done . . . what? Is that the idea? And you are on the selling side of homeschooling? Sheesh!
    Who said kill? -
    And again my schooling choices have nothing to do with the debate...
    I unlike the majority here have worked in a public school for years. So maybe you all should stop bringing up my choice.. in every debate we disagree in to try and disparage my beliefs .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    Also - missy - please cite your feeling that predators are on the rise in all areas. Many of the boys who were routinely preyed upon as a matter of course in the church, Boy Scouts, and catholic schools in previous generations might disagree with your claim. I would as well. We sensationalize these crimes more today- yes- bit I believe that my children are safer than they were a generation or two ago. Please show me what you are basing your claim on.
    Melis, it will be later this weekend before I can pull together the research but if you still wish I will do so. While some stats for child sexual abuse have declined, others skyrocketed -- particularly as more predators sought victims online for sexual exploitation. As the prevalence of more and more kids / teens are online via computers, gaming devices, smart phones, "texting turned sexting" has grown, so have the crimes perpetrated. More on that later.

    I will, however, comment on those heinous crimes of the past. While I do not believe that they should ever be viewed as a "matter of course" for any church or organization they were (and are!) tragic and shameful. Personally, I find those pedophiles within the Catholic Church sickening on an even higher level than a "normal" civilian given that I hold them to a higher standard (fair or not.) I'm certain that the long time teachers mentioned in Bonita's examples were also viewed as "trusted" individuals at their school. Thankfully there were and ARE thousands of faithful priests, awesome teachers, and great troop leaders that are serving in their role as they should. It IS my hope that we can all learn from the "sins" of the past and put in place protections (even at church/school/extracurricular activities) to do our best to prevent history repeating in this arena for our own children. Thus the point of this debate.

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    I have different idea.. anyone that can't be alone with children never is let back into society, then we would never need background checks
    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post
    Can I just say. . . WTF?

    What? Kill everyone who has done . . . what? Is that the idea? And you are on the selling side of homeschooling? Sheesh!
    Granted -- I may be wrong, but I believe that by the bolded "never is let back into society" was more likely referring to keeping those child sex offenders (molesters/pedophiles, etc.) locked up in prison vs. being released back into society. I recall there was an argument presented in the past about a higher rate of repeat offenders for these crimes; also many of those that have been convicted of pedophilia had multiple victims as were in the highly publicized cases. Awful stuff.
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    *oops* Sorry -- I had my screen open to respond earlier and got sidetracked. I did not see you had responded Rachel.

    Leaving my post though as I believe that was the point you were making in your earlier post.

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    Rivergallery wants to murder all sex offenders. Like jesus. oh! doh! koddimg, jesus said nothingnof the sort. And thanks missy, I will will wait.

    I don't care about on line stuff as it does not in any way pertain to this debait, but if someone feels like digging up the research on how parent background checks have STOPPED abuse I'm all I'm on that debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Rivergallery wants to murder all sex offenders. Like jesus. oh! doh! koddimg, jesus said nothingnof the sort. And thanks missy, I will will wait.

    I don't care about on line stuff as it does not in any way pertain to this debait, but if someone feels like digging up the research on how parent background checks have STOPPED abuse I'm all I'm on that debate
    "Each person is reminded to debate the topic, not the person. Those refusing to abide by our guidelines do risk a potential deactivation of their account."
    Again you are bringing my religious views into a debate... and going with what I know about your debate style in a couple pages you will blame me for bringing religion into it. Again you are mocking people. There is no need to do that in a debate. You may think it garners support for your idea, but to me it makes it seem as if you do not have any substance to your beliefs.

    Do you not care about the recidivism rate in this country? Do you not see if we kept violent offenders off the streets we would easily have less violence? I do not see why we should as a country allow repeat offenses for violent offenders.
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    I think that when you bring your religious views into a debates/quote scripture/ tell people who is and is not practicing their faith correctly very frequently it becomes difficult to NOT mention it in a debate. If you prefer that I do not however I will not.

    I was trying to clarify to missy that you believe sex offenders should be killed - that part was correct, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Rivergallery wants to murder all sex offenders. Like jesus. oh! doh! koddimg, jesus said nothingnof the sort. And thanks missy, I will will wait. I don't care about on line stuff as it does not in any way pertain to this debait, but if someone feels like digging up the research on how parent background checks have STOPPED abuse I'm all I'm on that debate
    Seems that one Mai Tai turned into a few of them judging by the spelling, grammar & time stamp on this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Oh right-it's super helpful in poor urban areas. The schools have NO money, and you think a single mother is going to she'll out the money to pay for it if she is on a tight budget? Say she wanted to take a day off of work to be a mystery reader to surprise her son or to go on a field trip around his birthday- and she has to pay for a background check to volunteer ONE day? So what happens? She doesn't do it and the school and the kids lose out. Everyone loses. Great work. All for some faux illusion of increased safety. Those schools NEED volunteers the most.
    And again, for about the fourth or fifth time, if that single mom was reading to the whole class or going on a field trip, there would be NO NEED for her to have to get a volunteer badge. So nobody loses out. Except for you in this debate. Zing!
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    Oh zing I'm in Hawaii and typing on my phone- not sure what the time stamp showed. But yes, healthy liver workout over the past 9 days! Many people have supported the idea of all parent volunteers- or those who could (like easily on a field trip) be alone w kids needing this check. Zing that's what I was talking about. I think that you should read through the comments on the link I posted. They really effectively show how ineffective, time consuming, expensive, and harmful these policies can be. Are you honestly worried about these "violent criminal" parents just dying to spend their days volunteering in your kids school like teaching your kids how to make bombs or shoot up gas stations? Our schools are so differently set up- I just have no fear of my kids being "tainted" by supervised exposure to these hardened criminal volunteers so commonplace in your community.

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