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    Yeah, I was thinking that soda would be a lot cheaper to manufacture and to store very long term as well.
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    My main point isn't that it should be more expensive than milk. My main point is that the price is artificially low...its dirt cheap because we push the production of corn so much.

    And my other point is that the nutritional content isn't a driving factor in cost IMO.
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    You are totally right, Kim. Pop should cost more than milk. What pains me is thinking about someone who can't afford milk, buying soda instead, when there's other stuff you can drink that's better and cheaper than soda. Jeez, a can of frozen OJ is cheaper, or how bout a glass of water? I just don't think it's an issue of being forced to buy pop because milk's so expensive. I think for many they would still buy pop even if it was the same price as milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    You are totally right, Kim. Pop should cost more than milk. What pains me is thinking about someone who can't afford milk, buying soda instead, when there's other stuff you can drink that's better and cheaper than soda. Jeez, a can of frozen OJ is cheaper, or how bout a glass of water? I just don't think it's an issue of being forced to buy pop because milk's so expensive. I think for many they would still buy pop even if it was the same price as milk.
    The water thing is tricky...while i agree with you that water is so much more affordable..heck i like to drink other things besides water all the time. So i can sympathize with that feeling (not wanting to have only water) in anyone, rich, poor alike. Problem is, i feel like no beverage aside from water should be drunk in excess...milk, juice, soda any of them really. But soda is just the worst of them...and really, it is crazy cheap.

    Is frozen OJ really cheaper than soda? How much does a can of concentrate make?

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    Here a frozen can of oj is almost $2 and only makes half a gallon and a two liter of soda is under $1. Water from the tap tastes really chemically and water at the store is $5 for 24 bottles or $2 a gallon. Milk is $2.50 for the cheapest no name stuff. We are on a VERY fixed income. I make all our food from scratch and save money. We never buy prepared food, but I stay home so I have the time to do so. I am also someone who is educated about nutrition. I would like to see more money into educating people then being a nanny state.
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    Nothing personal but what does a nanny do if not raise/educate? I always find that component funny when people argue that banning big gulps prevents a nanny state but then say they want the government to educate people on how to eat. And whose agenda do you want the Government (nanny) to teach? The Dairy councils? When the GOvernment is subsidizing corn and sugar and wheat and pork and beef and.....well....you want them to "educate" people on what to eat? Even nutrition "experts" argue over whether a paleo diet or a vegan diet is better, and the two could not POSSIBLY be more different. Pick your poison, but don't kid yourself ~ if you want to involve the government at all ~ be it through bans or education you are opening yourself right up to a "nanny" in one form or another.

    Which nanny do you want teaching people how to eat, and on whose dime?

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    I think we spend a lot on education anyway...and i think education is problematic and not entirely effective. I've said this a few times in the past few discussions. I think when we focus education on children...it is problematic because they can learn whatever we teach them but if its not reinforced at home home...how effective it is goes waaaaay down. I think creating a truly effective 'educational' program for adults is extremely difficult. I mean signs and commercials....little blips that you can throw in there? Overall probably easy to ignore. You acknowledge it and then forget about it. Pamphlets? Can't make people read them. Classes? Can't force people to go to them...and really if you do (say with a WIC program or something) how effective do you think they are in getting people to change their behavior...as adults.

    I have people in my own family who aren't poor, understand what is good and bad for you to a reasonable degree and tehy STILL dont' change their habits.

    I dont' want to say education is overrated....but well. It kind of is, at least as a singular solution. It simply is not useful on its own because eating unhealthily is TOO easy.
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    I agree with Kim.

    The problem with the big gulp (or whatever it is) is that people get conditioned to the idea that that is a single serving. Now nobody ever suggested stopping someone from buying that quantity of soda if that's what they really want. But I like the idea of saying "no, that's not a single serving, and you're conditioning our children to think that it is." It's not essential, I wouldn't fight for it. But it seems to me it ONLY has positive effects, and none that are negative. It's not a slippery slope to taking away our rights any more than making McDonald's list their calories is a slippery slope. Trust me, we live in a world of capitalism. Successful capitalism. Fast food is not going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    The water thing is tricky...while i agree with you that water is so much more affordable..heck i like to drink other things besides water all the time. So i can sympathize with that feeling (not wanting to have only water) in anyone, rich, poor alike. Problem is, i feel like no beverage aside from water should be drunk in excess...milk, juice, soda any of them really. But soda is just the worst of them...and really, it is crazy cheap.

    Is frozen OJ really cheaper than soda? How much does a can of concentrate make?
    A can of frozen no-name brand OJ is under a buck here. A can makes your typical juice jug volume - I would guess about 2 litres, maybe a bit less. I am in no way saying that a poor, overweight person shouldn't have their God-given right to drink soda taken away, but a hell of a lot of moderation will go a very, very long way. I was loading up groceries not long ago and saw a family of 4 doing the same. They were all extremely overweight. I saw what they had bought - cases of soda and tons of junk food. My first thought was those poor kids. They're doomed before their lives have even really begun.

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    Just throwing some thoughts out....

    I agree that we shouldn't look to the government to educate (not assuming anyone meant that by what they said, just making a general statement), but that we should educate each other.

    I used to think healthier food was more expensive than convenience/processed foods, too, until I put some thought into it.... when it comes down to it, if you wanted to badly enough, you could buy ZERO convenience/processed foods and ALL healthy food in its whole state or as close to it as possible, and be be willing to spend a little time washing/preparing/planning ahead, and then you probably wouldn't spend any more, or not much more. And there is the option of growing your own fruits and vegetables, but again, you have to be willing/able to put in the time and effort and live in an area where you can do that. The one thing that would be more expensive is if you wanted to buy all organic meat and dairy vs. non-organic, but maybe if you didn't buy ANY of the convenience/processed foods, then that would help to off set the cost of the organics?
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