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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    One is telling people what to do with their OWN money, and one is making a requirement for getting assistance spending OTHER PEOPLE'S money. Doesn't seem confusing to me those are 2 completely different things.
    So it's okay to have a nanny state for people on assistance, but for everybody else, it's just wrong on principle? But the principle is fine when applied to the right people?

    Either it's okay or it isn't. . I don't see how it matters where the money is coming from. Either it's wrong or it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLSunshineMom View Post
    Just throwing some thoughts out....

    I agree that we shouldn't look to the government to educate (not assuming anyone meant that by what they said, just making a general statement), but that we should educate each other.

    I used to think healthier food was more expensive than convenience/processed foods, too, until I put some thought into it.... when it comes down to it, if you wanted to badly enough, you could buy ZERO convenience/processed foods and ALL healthy food in its whole state or as close to it as possible, and be be willing to spend a little time washing/preparing/planning ahead, and then you probably wouldn't spend any more, or not much more. And there is the option of growing your own fruits and vegetables, but again, you have to be willing/able to put in the time and effort and live in an area where you can do that. The one thing that would be more expensive is if you wanted to buy all organic meat and dairy vs. non-organic, but maybe if you didn't buy ANY of the convenience/processed foods, then that would help to off set the cost of the organics?
    I find the bolded problematic. People tend to be very defensive about how they eat and feed their families. For example, DH and I have given up sugar on a regular basis (still have the occasional 'treat'). As an extension of this, our children are eating a lot less sugar, cause its just not available in the house. When I went to buy some finger foods for the baby I read the ingredients and was appalled at the amount of sugar in things like 'puffs' and 'mum mums', not to mention how processed they are. So I have decided not to give them to him. We go to a number of play groups that provide snack to the children, and are constantly being offered these things. It is actually very hard for me when I refuse them and then am asked why by other moms, who are actively feeding them to their babies. People get really defensive, even though I try to phrase it as a choice for our family they often take it as criticism. This sort of thing has actually put a strain on some of my friendships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I find the bolded problematic. People tend to be very defensive about how they eat and feed their families. For example, DH and I have given up sugar on a regular basis (still have the occasional 'treat'). As an extension of this, our children are eating a lot less sugar, cause its just not available in the house. When I went to buy some finger foods for the baby I read the ingredients and was appalled at the amount of sugar in things like 'puffs' and 'mum mums', not to mention how processed they are. So I have decided not to give them to him. We go to a number of play groups that provide snack to the children, and are constantly being offered these things. It is actually very hard for me when I refuse them and then am asked why by other moms, who are actively feeding them to their babies. People get really defensive, even though I try to phrase it as a choice for our family they often take it as criticism. This sort of thing has actually put a strain on some of my friendships.
    (Not meaning to debate, I really want to know) - What kinds of snacks do you give that do not have a lot of sugar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    (Not meaning to debate, I really want to know) - What kinds of snacks do you give that do not have a lot of sugar?
    Apples, banana, chicken, pork, plain rice cakes, potatoes, sweet potatoes, peppers, peas, carrots, avocado, beef, beans......I basically try to keep it to one ingredient foods right now. The rice cakes are about the only thing that is a 'processed' food, and we only do them cause they are easy to always keep handy in the diaper bag, so when I forget snack I always have one handy. We also do Baby lead weaning, so I dont puree anything, I mostly just do big chunks of food. Meats and most Veggies are cooked, though he does like raw carrots and peppers.

    Other than one or two 'practice' meals a day though, we still breastfeed full time. So its not like he goes hungry if there is nothing there for him, he just gets mad if the big kids are eating and he isnt

    ETA: I am not so strict with my big kids, but usually snacks are cheese and crackers (I like triscuits or homemade cheese crackers), fruit, veggies (though my kids really dont like raw veggies), garlic sausage, popcorn, cheese string, raisins....that sort of thing. But we do occasionally throw in some hot chocolate if we have been playing outside, or yogurt (I cant convince them that it is as good when we flavor it ourselves), even cake or cookies on a rare special occasion. I try not to be super strict with it, and just make it a natural avoidance.

    If I do sweets, we do the real deal too. We don't do artificial sweeteners if we don't have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I find the bolded problematic. People tend to be very defensive about how they eat and feed their families. For example, DH and I have given up sugar on a regular basis (still have the occasional 'treat'). As an extension of this, our children are eating a lot less sugar, cause its just not available in the house. When I went to buy some finger foods for the baby I read the ingredients and was appalled at the amount of sugar in things like 'puffs' and 'mum mums', not to mention how processed they are. So I have decided not to give them to him. We go to a number of play groups that provide snack to the children, and are constantly being offered these things. It is actually very hard for me when I refuse them and then am asked why by other moms, who are actively feeding them to their babies. People get really defensive, even though I try to phrase it as a choice for our family they often take it as criticism. This sort of thing has actually put a strain on some of my friendships.

    Word. People get crazy when you *gasp* feed your children actual food instead of this ridiculous notion of "toddler food" or "kid food". We go to events where perfectly normal food is available and then there is this other level of food "for the kids". Like, the adults are eating pasta and chicken and filet and grilled vegetables and then there is a tray of chicken nuggets and french fries for the kids. Not so much in my area but up in the Poconos where my inlaws live this is endemic. People get all huffy when we say our kids will eat the food food, not the "kid food". If ANYONE needs the healthy normal food it is the young growing bodies and brains, it is this wild insane thought process that just boggles my mind. My inlaws make this big show of watching my kids eat ~ like they are foreign species when they tuck into brussel sprouts or squash happily and I just CRINGE ~ it isn't something that should be some big show and I hate the attention. Its just normal and I wish they would shut up about it because I know it drives my SIL whose kids are gulping soda and eat nothing but chicken fingers and french fries crazy and it isn't my fault and it isn't me judging them.

    I know that it pisses my SIL off when I told asked my in laws to please not take my kids to fast food ~ my kids don't eat there, never have. Her kids eat there a few times a week. I don't really care if she took it as a judgment on her ~ It wasn't ~ but I'm not going to sacrifice my kids well being to make her feel good about her bad choices.

    We can't be charged with educating one another as the topic is too loaded. Educating our own children is our real responsibility ~ and if people see how we eat and want to know more or ask questions I am happy to talk about it ~ I NEVER offer without being asked. Ever.

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    I NEVER offer without being asked. Ever.
    Right, people don't want unsolicited advice and this is why a "lets educate eachother" plan would never work. (not saying you said it would, just driving home the point)

    If we want to change our obesity problem i do think government has to be involved some how....i don't think its going to fix itself and i don't think any grass roots initiative is capable of accomplishing the task.

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    Ben asked for salmon when we went out for dinner the other night, then fell asleep face down on his plate I will find the pics. It was hilarious. That's twice in less than a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Word. People get crazy when you *gasp* feed your children actual food instead of this ridiculous notion of "toddler food" or "kid food". We go to events where perfectly normal food is available and then there is this other level of food "for the kids". Like, the adults are eating pasta and chicken and filet and grilled vegetables and then there is a tray of chicken nuggets and french fries for the kids. Not so much in my area but up in the Poconos where my inlaws live this is endemic. People get all huffy when we say our kids will eat the food food, not the "kid food". If ANYONE needs the healthy normal food it is the young growing bodies and brains, it is this wild insane thought process that just boggles my mind. My inlaws make this big show of watching my kids eat ~ like they are foreign species when they tuck into brussel sprouts or squash happily and I just CRINGE ~ it isn't something that should be some big show and I hate the attention. Its just normal and I wish they would shut up about it because I know it drives my SIL whose kids are gulping soda and eat nothing but chicken fingers and french fries crazy and it isn't my fault and it isn't me judging them.

    I know that it pisses my SIL off when I told asked my in laws to please not take my kids to fast food ~ my kids don't eat there, never have. Her kids eat there a few times a week. I don't really care if she took it as a judgment on her ~ It wasn't ~ but I'm not going to sacrifice my kids well being to make her feel good about her bad choices.

    We can't be charged with educating one another as the topic is too loaded. Educating our own children is our real responsibility ~ and if people see how we eat and want to know more or ask questions I am happy to talk about it ~ I NEVER offer without being asked. Ever.
    My oldest (13 yrs) just asked me the other day why people all look at her weird when she brings healthy food for lunch. She said the other kids are always asking if she is on a "diet" or something. She brought apples one day for a snack and someone commented negatively about that
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Right, people don't want unsolicited advice and this is why a "lets educate eachother" plan would never work. (not saying you said it would, just driving home the point)

    If we want to change our obesity problem i do think government has to be involved some how....i don't think its going to fix itself and i don't think any grass roots initiative is capable of accomplishing the task.
    I used to think that the government should stay out, I am second guessing myself these days. I think we are so deeply in denial at how bad our food is. But I do think our government is partly to blame, so I am not sure what the answer is
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