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    I don't know that I agree that banning a size/item should happen, but I do think that it could have a long term affect, especially on teens. In our area, kids pop into the delis every day after school and grab a snack item and a large soft drink. If large were suddenly to have 240 or so calories less, over six months, maybe a kid would lose a few pounds or not gain as much.

    On the other hand, when we're traveling in the summer the kids and I get a HUGE 48 oz. unsweetened ice tea with tons of ice from the mini marts with the "all sizes; same price!" deals. That lasts us 80 to 100 miles. I realize that since it's not a sweetened drink, technically this restriction wouldn't apply. From a logistic point of view, it might end. How would the people at the counter "know" that you had unsweetened ice tea or water in your huge glass instead of soda? Probably all containers larger than 16 ounces would be removed.

    A change I would LOVE to see is being able to bring your own water bottle into events. You can get water at restaurants, but if you take the family to a movie you have to smuggle it in or buy what's there. Often you can't even find a drinking fountain.

    That's such a wishy-washy reply on my part, so I'll try again. I'm against restricting people's right to buy, eat, drink, smoke what they choose. This law wouldn't exactly restrict your buying a product; it simply limits how much can be offered as a single serving. Good idea? Nanny state? I lean toward good idea since it's not actually violating or restricting a substance. Instead, it just mandates a restriction on "packaging."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules View Post
    I don't know that I agree that banning a size/item should happen, but I do think that it could have a long term affect, especially on teens. In our area, kids pop into the delis every day after school and grab a snack item and a large soft drink. If large were suddenly to have 240 or so calories less, over six months, maybe a kid would lose a few pounds or not gain as much.

    On the other hand, when we're traveling in the summer the kids and I get a HUGE 48 oz. unsweetened ice tea with tons of ice from the mini marts with the "all sizes; same price!" deals. That lasts us 80 to 100 miles. I realize that since it's not a sweetened drink, technically this restriction wouldn't apply. From a logistic point of view, it might end. How would the people at the counter "know" that you had unsweetened ice tea or water in your huge glass instead of soda? Probably all containers larger than 16 ounces would be removed.

    A change I would LOVE to see is being able to bring your own water bottle into events. You can get water at restaurants, but if you take the family to a movie you have to smuggle it in or buy what's there. Often you can't even find a drinking fountain.

    That's such a wishy-washy reply on my part, so I'll try again. I'm against restricting people's right to buy, eat, drink, smoke what they choose. This law wouldn't exactly restrict your buying a product; it simply limits how much can be offered as a single serving. Good idea? Nanny state? I lean toward good idea since it's not actually violating or restricting a substance. Instead, it just mandates a restriction on "packaging."
    That would last me 20 mins before I had to stop to pee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    It's a good idea, I agree with the ban. Drinks are so expensive anyways... So not only are people slowly killing themselves with copious amounts of soda, they are spending a lot of money buying the soda and won't be able to afford their health insurance/medications anymore. I do drink soda and will allow Jace to have 1 kids cup of sprite at a restaurant... Consider it my guilty pleasure Some people drink way too much though, it's pretty sickening.
    You don't really think people are going broke over soda, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alana*sMommy View Post
    You don't really think people are going broke over soda, do you?
    Sure I do. Diabetes, high cholesterol, rotting teeth, and other ill effects of a bad diet because of excess soda intake is expensive to insure and take meds for.

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    I know this debate has been quiet for a while but i just went back and read and someone asked, if you have a objection to it, why?

    While overall I"m undecided, the part of me that does want to object is most definitely NOT because i think drinking 20oz or ore of soda is a good thing.

    What it is is laws that are put in place to force people into decisions because they can't figure out how to do it themselves bother me to some degree. It reminds me a lot of a mindless society that just does what its told without ever having to understand why. "Can't figure out why 20oz of soda is bad for you? Well don't you worry your little head over the hows and whys, we'll just take that option away from you instead"

    Something about the whole tone of these types of laws bother me.

    I *get* that we have a problem and this could help improve it...i get that. And i get that people right now aren't figuring it out themselves.

    I think the only thing that would convince me that its okay is that its really aimed at businesses, to make better and more society conscious choices, not consumers. And businesses can almost NEVER see beyond what is good for them from a profit and business success standpoint, so they need a little more bullying.

    I went to McDonald's the other day for dinner. She kept asking me if I wanted to super size my soda. I told her i wanted the smallest soda that she could give me with my meal. And she said "Okay we can make it a medium" It was huge...had to be more than 16 ozs? (I don't know i didn't actually check) and I drank literally about 1/8th of it.

    I just checked online. Their medium is 21 oz. I also see that they have small. Why couldn't she give me a small?? Even then i wouldn't be able to drink it all, a small is 16 oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I went to McDonald's the other day for dinner. She kept asking me if I wanted to super size my soda. I told her i wanted the smallest soda that she could give me with my meal. And she said "Okay we can make it a medium" It was huge...had to be more than 16 ozs? (I don't know i didn't actually check) and I drank literally about 1/8th of it.

    I just checked online. Their medium is 21 oz. I also see that they have small. Why couldn't she give me a small?? Even then i wouldn't be able to drink it all, a small is 16 oz.
    It was because you ordered a combo meal and that automatically includes a medium drink. Everyone thinks they are saving money by ordering a combo meal, but it isn't always the case. If you had ordered a small drink and the sandwich and fries seperately instead of as a meal you could have gotten a small drink. I am not a fan of the combo meals because if everyone gets fries we always end up with way more than we eat and they are just wasted, so I just order the burgers and a large fry to share. I always order the smallest drink possible because they all give free refills anyway. If I go someplace like McDonalds I am going for a cheap meal, and the best way to do that is order a la carte off the dollar menu which almost all those similar places have. It is usually even cheaper for the kids than ordering a kid's meal.
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    I agree with you, Kim. But, I guess I'm a little more leaning to the "just ban it" side of thing. I see it in the same light as restrictions on cigarettes or alcohol - We all know they are bad for you, so I don't object to putting a few barriers in the way of free, unlimited access.

    I am also admittedly more free with these sort of government health-based restrictions because of coming from Canada. I figure the gov't picks up the health care bill, so if they want to say "no giant pop allowed - it is making diabetes worse" or whatever, they have that right. I see it as sort of a public health care trade off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It was because you ordered a combo meal and that automatically includes a medium drink. Everyone thinks they are saving money by ordering a combo meal, but it isn't always the case. If you had ordered a small drink and the sandwich and fries seperately instead of as a meal you could have gotten a small drink. I am not a fan of the combo meals because if everyone gets fries we always end up with way more than we eat and they are just wasted, so I just order the burgers and a large fry to share. I always order the smallest drink possible because they all give free refills anyway. If I go someplace like McDonalds I am going for a cheap meal, and the best way to do that is order a la carte off the dollar menu which almost all those similar places have. It is usually even cheaper for the kids than ordering a kid's meal.
    But that's really annoying...why can't i get a small soda with a meal? Money and all that aside....i mean if want a smaller soda that should be a very simple option, they shouldn't make it more difficult. KWIM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris_w View Post
    I agree with you, Kim. But, I guess I'm a little more leaning to the "just ban it" side of thing. I see it in the same light as restrictions on cigarettes or alcohol - We all know they are bad for you, so I don't object to putting a few barriers in the way of free, unlimited access.

    I am also admittedly more free with these sort of government health-based restrictions because of coming from Canada. I figure the gov't picks up the health care bill, so if they want to say "no giant pop allowed - it is making diabetes worse" or whatever, they have that right. I see it as sort of a public health care trade off.
    Yeah, i mean, i have to say this one doesn't infuriate me or anything. I"m kind of like "meh". So its like I don't really like those types of laws overall, but i'm not going to go out and protest about *this* particular instance of such a law. I guess i do think soda is bad enough that it doesn't move me all that much.

    ETA: And you know the cigarette and alcohol thing bothers me even less. I guess i feel i benefit more from that as an individual than the soda thing. The less cigarette smoke i'm directly exposed to? Good for me. The less drunk people on the streets? Good for me.

    I know you could make an argument about the health problems associated with obesity and the costs to society but it just seems so much more indirect.

    Completely rational about it all? No...i suppose not, but those are just my gut reactions. And when things start getting less 'direct' and more 'indirect' i like govt involved less and less. Its an inverse relationship to me. So i guess thats why i can't jump in with both feet and shout 'hooray!' either.
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    Thats how it works. They start with the small stuff that nobody makes a stink about, and then gradually regulate more and more of our lives because you think... well they already regulate this so why not that. It is none of the government's business what size drink I buy or what size drink a company can sell.
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