Bikers vs SUV

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Bikers vs SUV

Do you think the SUV driver should be charged? If you were surrounded by bikers who forced you to stop than proceeded to beat on your vehicle and slash your tires what would you do?

The biker who was run down by an SUV in New York City on Sunday suffered severe spine injuries and is permanently paralyzed, his wife told reporters.

The wife of Edwin Mieses said he has no hope of ever walking again.

"There's no hope for his back," Dayana Meises told reporters outside of a hospital. "They crushed his spine. They broke it in two different places, so he will be forever, forever paralyzed."

Who started the incident is still unclear, even after shaky camera footage of the gory scene was released on Tuesday. The driver told police he was frightened when a group of motorcyclists swarmed his Range Rover so he plowed through them, striking a rider in a purple T-shirt and black helmet.

"Everyone wants to blame the bikers for something this man did," Dayana Meises said.

Edwin Mieses, known as Jay Meezee, is an aspiring rapper from outside Boston, and the couple has two children, ages 15 and 9. Dayana Mieses told Boston station WBZ-TV that her husband got off his bike to help another rider who was struck in an initial collision with the SUV.

"When all the bikers stopped, my husband got out, parked his bike to walk over to try to help his friend," she said. "He walked over towards the front of the vehicle when, at this point, I don't know what happened: the man was scared, the man just peeled off and ran over my husband."

Mieses was part of an unauthorized motorcycle rally. The video shows a large group of bikers clustering around the Range Rover heading north on Manhattan's West Side Highway. One of the bikers then moves into the SUV's lane and rides briefly alongside it, peering in through the driver's side window. It's unclear from the video what the driver might have done to anger the motorcyclist.

The biker then cuts in front of the Range Rover and, still staring at the driver, suddenly slows down. It isn't captured on the video, but the motorcycle and SUV bumped, police said.

The motorcyclists, 20 to 30 in all, then stop on the highway, blocking the SUV's path. Some dismount and approach the vehicle. Police said some of the bikers then began damaging the Range Rover.

The video shows the SUV suddenly accelerating, bouncing over at least one of the motorcycles and its riders as others scramble to get out of the way. The cyclists give chase, pursuing the driver for about 2.5 miles. The bikers succeed in getting the SUV to stop.

The chase ended when the SUV exited the highway and got stuck in street traffic. The video shows one biker using his helmet to smash the driver's window. Police said the group then pulled the man from the SUV and beat him, although that part isn't shown on the recording posted online. The police department confirmed that the video circulating online is authentic.

The driver of the SUV, Alexian Lien, 33, was taken to a hospital where he needed stitches for his face. His wife and 2-year-old were not injured. He has not been charged. But Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said they were still investigating the incident.

"Well, it depends on what the circumstances are," Kelly said. "It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you're being attacked, whether or not your wife and child's in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances, and that's what we're doing."

Christopher Cruz of Passaic, N.J., the biker who according to police was involved in the initial accident, was charged Wednesday with reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment. His bail was set at $1,500 cash.

His attorney says Cruz denies the allegations. The Manhattan district attorney's office says it decided not to prosecutor Allen Edwards of Queens, a second motorcyclist taken into custody Tuesday.

Police are still seeking a biker seen smashing the SUV's window with his helmet.

Motorcyclist Run Down By SUV In Road Rage Incident Is Paralyzed, Wife Says | Fox News Latino

Story on CNN:

Biker attack video: Who is the real victim? - CNN.com

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There are so many things that went wrong. Such a sad story. I do think he should be charged.

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I know that we don't know all that there is to this story, but from what is presented here, no I do not think the driver of the SUV should be charged. If motorcyclists were trying to stop me on the road and were "damaging" my car I would be scared enough to hit the gas to try to get away too. It's unfortunate that this guy got ran over, especially if he was just trying to help someone else and wasn't involved in actually chasing or damaging the car, but I still can't see blaming the driver of the SUV for trying to get away. That sounds terrifying.

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It sounds to me like he had a reason to be scared since they ended up beating him up and sending him to the hospital. I would have been terrified if they surrounded me and blocked me in like that and started hitting my vehicle. I think it is unfortunate that this guy got hurt, but I don't think the SUV driver is at fault. Even if the SUV driver cut one of the bikers off and that made them angry or something, they still had no right to surround him and force him to stop, so anything that happened because of that is on them.

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It's all really awful and I wasn't there of course. But here is a video of what happened. One of the riders had a Gopro camera on his helmet.

WATCH: Range Rover Runs Over Bikers in Road Rage VIDEO | HEAVY

It looks like the SUV driver was in the middle of a bike rally that was happening. He gave the motorcyclists no space. He hits one of the cyclists and keeps going.

The cyclists follow him for a couple miles and get him to stop and another rider is down. A couple of them take their helmets and hit his windows. No doubt that is frightening. He guns it and runs over a man who is helping someone else out.

At least, he should be charged with the initial hit and run.

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If he was being attacked by a pack of wild animals intent on dragging him out of his car, possibly killing him and his family, would be concerned that he hit one of them when he was trying to get away? No. This *WAS* a pack of wild animals, and the sad thing is that as human animals they all really should have known better. The only ones who should be charged in this are the bikers themselves, and I hope they are held accountable for the harm they did to everyone. What a terrifying experience for that family, that little girl witnessing her dad being dragged out of their car? That family should sue the bikers for her therapy bills. I've been in a similar situation and thankfully we got out without anyone being injured and without too much property damage (our 1962 Ford took a beating much better than modern cars, LOL!) but it was more luck for everyone than anything.

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It's difficult for me to see all of what was happening. For the sake of argument, if the driver of the RR hit a motorcyclist and kept on going, the motorcyclists would be able to get the license plate number via the camera used to record the rest of this ordeal. They didn't. If I were the driver in that situation I would be pretty scared. If I saw it as my only option, I would gun it to try to get my family out of there. There are just too many of them to back off or speed up to break away from them.

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From what I've read he should not be charged.

Bike rally w/o permit and notifications=stupid move.

This is a known bike gang that likes to start trouble. I would have been terrified too. I would have sped away without a second thought.

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Also it's worth noting that all of the bikers had removed their license plates. They *knew* they were going to cause trouble and didn't want to be identified later on cameras.

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"bunnyfufu" wrote:

It's all really awful and I wasn't there of course. But here is a video of what happened. One of the riders had a Gopro camera on his helmet.

WATCH: Range Rover Runs Over Bikers in Road Rage VIDEO | HEAVY

It looks like the SUV driver was in the middle of a bike rally that was happening. He gave the motorcyclists no space. He hits one of the cyclists and keeps going.

The cyclists follow him for a couple miles and get him to stop and another rider is down. A couple of them take their helmets and hit his windows. No doubt that is frightening. He guns it and runs over a man who is helping someone else out.

At least, he should be charged with the initial hit and run.

It wasn't a simple hit and run. A biker got in front of him and slowed down purposely trying to force him to stop. During that process the SUV driver bumped the bike. That biker was actually charged. I'm not sure how the SUV driver gave them no space? He was driving down the road in the middle lane and they surrounded him! After that initial minor bump was when the bikers started pounding on his car and slashing his tires, and that is why he tried to get away.

I wouldn't classify that as a hit and run when you think you are running for your life.

But they arrested Christopher Cruz, who is seen slowing in front of the Range Rover before he was bumped.
Cruz, 28, was in court Wednesday on misdemeanor charges including reckless driving. Cruz's attorney told reporters that his client is not guilty.

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I most certainly do not think that the mob of bikers was at all behaving well. But even if you are stopped at a stoplight and you are somehow involved in a collision, aren't you usually held somewhat responsible?

If I was driving down the road and a swarm of motorcyclists surrounded my car, I'd slow as much as possible and try to get off the road without hitting anyone. I wouldn't immediately assume that they were going to do me harm, I'd get the heck out of the way though and I'd do anything I could to not hit one. I know some very nice motorcyclists who do weekend rides in larger groups. I have also run across less nice people

Maybe the driver did that, it is hard to tell. And I guess, I am still erring on the side of it being a cascade of errors. The attack from the bikers is wrong for sure. But is the SUV driver 100% innocent here? I don't know.

The second time he hit someone - the man he ran over, sadly I can understand how that happened. What a horrible thing for the SUV driver and the man who was injured! I would be super scared and I would protect my family.

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"bunnyfufu" wrote:

I most certainly do not think that the mob of bikers was at all behaving well. But even if you are stopped at a stoplight and you are somehow involved in a collision, aren't you usually held somewhat responsible?

But he DID stop! The biker pulled in front of him and slowed down in front of him purposely forcing him to stop for no reason, and that is when the bike got bumped. It was a minor bump and it was the bikers fault for purposely pulling in front of him, that is why the biker was charged with reckless driving. At that point the vehicle was stopped. The bikers then got off their bikes and were surrounding his vehicle and pounding on it and spiking his tires. There were bikes all stopped around his vehicle so he had no way to get out of the situation without driving over some of the bikes, so that is what he did. I don't think he purposely ran over the guy he was just trying to get away. After that happened the bikers continued to follow him until he stopped again because he got stuck in traffic, at that point they broke the windows, dragged him out of the car and beat him up to the point that he needed stitches. Yes I do think the SUV driver is 100% innocent here.

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At least from everything I have read, I agree with Gloria on this one. The way I have heard it reported several places is the way she is telling it, that he was driving down the road, a bunch of bikers surrounded his car and one got in front of him and slowed down to make him stop. He bumped the one that made him stop, but it was a minor bump, and still the fault of the motorcycle since he intentionally got in front of him and then slowed down to make him stop. At that point, he was stopped, but then the motorcyclists started banging on and damaging his car, so he gunned it out of there.

Again, we may not know the whole story, but if the above is the way it happened, I simply cannot see holding him responsible for anything.

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These videos shot by the same group before this incident happened give a great idea of how great law-abiding citizens these bikers are. The are zipping in and out of traffic and going around and between cars and on the shoulder and are very reckless. I don't think that will help their case any.

LiveLeak.com - More footage previous to Range Rover incident

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"bunnyfufu" wrote:

I most certainly do not think that the mob of bikers was at all behaving well. But even if you are stopped at a stoplight and you are somehow involved in a collision, aren't you usually held somewhat responsible?

If I was driving down the road and a swarm of motorcyclists surrounded my car, I'd slow as much as possible and try to get off the road without hitting anyone. I wouldn't immediately assume that they were going to do me harm, I'd get the heck out of the way though and I'd do anything I could to not hit one. I know some very nice motorcyclists who do weekend rides in larger groups. I have also run across less nice people

Maybe the driver did that, it is hard to tell. And I guess, I am still erring on the side of it being a cascade of errors. The attack from the bikers is wrong for sure. But is the SUV driver 100% innocent here? I don't know.

The second time he hit someone - the man he ran over, sadly I can understand how that happened. What a horrible thing for the SUV driver and the man who was injured! I would be super scared and I would protect my family.

Not sure quite what you mean, but no, if you are stopped at a stop light and are rear-ended, you are not held responsible.

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Obviously their reckless driving means they should all get the death penalty, Gloria.

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I watched some videos today of this incident and the SUV driver should not be held liable. The bikers were acting recklessly and unfortunately people got hurt. HOpefully they will learn from this.

I did hear that the guy that was run over hired Gloria Allred for an attorney.

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"blather" wrote:

Obviously their reckless driving means they should all get the death penalty, Gloria.

Where did that come from? It certainly shows that they were driving recklessly and were likely responsible for the initial confrontation. I don't think the death penalty applies for assaulting someone and slashing him with a knife, or for reckless driving, but I do hope the one that assaulted him and the one who caused the initial accident get the appropriate punishment.