Black Friday (Thursday)

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Black Friday (Thursday)

So I just saw a sneak peak of Walmarts Black Friday Ad. It starts at 6PM Thursday. There is quite the heated debate about this on FB right now. Do you think stores should wait until Friday to start their sales? Will you boycott shopping on Thanksgiving? Do you not do Black Friday shopping either way?

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I like that Thanksgiving is for families, but the reasoning behind boycotting being that if you are shopping, those people aren't with their families is flawed, unless you are also prepared to not do anything that requires people to be at work.

For instance, do you want TV on Thanksgiving? News? Football? All the people on air, all the behind the scenes people are working. The players and coaches are working, the ticket takers, the security. Do you read the paper on Friday? That was written on Thursday.

Is shopping necessary? No. Is watching TV necessary? I don't think so.

It's all about consistency for me.

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I don't buy the consistency argument. I think there's a distinct difference between people who *need* to work on one of the big family holidays (police, restaurants, news reporters, professional athletes, etc.) and those who don't need to be doing their job on that particular day. I put retail in the "don't need to work" category because most people don't go shopping on Independence Day or Christmas Day or New Year's Day, and Thanksgiving could (and I say, should!) be the same. Most places that *are* open usually run with the fewest people possible -- buses run less frequently, gas stations are open if you can pay with a card outside but the stores are closed, fast food places only open their drive-thru, etc.

But the reason I boycott Black Friday is because I'm generally anti-rampant-consumerism and anti-materialism and anti-commercialism and just generally a frugal, simplistic hippie and I refuse to participate in the market madness, either in person or online, and I also avoid "Cyber Monday" shopping, too. I don't want my dollars counted those days. I actually pack a lunch when I take the kids downtown on Friday to look at all of the holiday decorations & see the Union Square tree get lit up after sunset, so that we won't spend any money that day. The deals aren't that great anyway, better to shop on Wednesday & Thursday when no one else is out.

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I think I say this every year, but Black Friday shopping sounds like my own personal version of hell. I'm not eager for it to start that much earlier, and I feel bad for anyone who is forced to work those days, although some people may volunteer to do it for the overtime which is fine with me. When DH was a young man (before he dated me) he used to volunteer for every holiday for the double time and a half and because it was very very slow on the holidays and thus easy work. Of course, Black Friday would be the opposite experience, seeing as how it is way busier than usual, so presumably harder work.

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If the Black Friday sales started at Midnight on Friday, most places still would have their workers working on Thanksgiving to get ready for the sale. In that sense, I do not think it makes sense to boycott due to the workers not being able to be home with their families. If Black Friday is a big deal to a store, they will be working Thursday either way. If a store depends on Christmas shopping to be the time when they make the majority of the year's income, then I think a worker would rather work that one day then to have their place of work go out of business and them then not have a job to provide for a family. There are certain drawbacks/benefits to any job. Working retail, just part of the job is knowing that you will be busy that time of year.

I enjoy Black Friday shopping. It is one of my favorate times to shop of the year. It is the excitement and tradition of it. The official start of the Christmas season. I only go to stores close by that do not have a lot of traffic and are not aggressive. I would not go to the stores out by the mall.

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Why do stores have to open at midnight and have their employees come in on Thanksgiving night? There's no need for that. Open at the usual time, people come in at their usual times, and everyone still enjoys holiday time with their families. I remember being a kid and the mall actually opened *later* on Friday. I remember one year we got there a bit early & were waiting in our car & this guy came around with about six of those big water Thermos thingies on the back of his truck filled with hot chocolate that he was selling for $1 a cup. OMG, what wonderful memories! And we all survived just fine without being able to shop at midnight.

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You can't put the genie back in the bottle. All the stores used to be closed on Sunday too. In fact the grocery stores used to close at 6pm. Now most are open 24 hours. The world has moved on. A lot of people would prefer to just go do Black Friday at 6pm on Thursday than stay up til midnight or get up at 6am Friday. The people that don't want to shop don't have to. There will always be people that have to work that day that's just the way it is.

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I dont shop on black friday, I used to work retail so I have no desire to spend my time there. But I do have friends that still work retail that volunteer to work on Thanksgiving for the overtime pay, comes in really handy during the holiday season.

I do have to say though that my DD came in all excited, she wants to wear khakis and a red shirt on black friday and stand at Target. If people ask her questions she would just make up answers. She was laughing so hard, thought that would be so funny

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I kind of like the way Walmart is doing it this year. All their major items are guaranteed to be available if you are there during the hour they state, so if they run out they give you a card to come back and get it later when they get more. So if you go through all the trouble to go down there for something at least you know that you will get it, instead of waiting in line for hours for something that only the first 10 people in line are going to get. Maybe this will solve some of the craziness.

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Or just stop buying all the ridiculous **** that Walmart sells and end the madness that way. Blum 3

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"Spacers" wrote:

Or just stop buying all the ridiculous **** that Walmart sells and end the madness that way. Blum 3

My son is working at Walmart this year and they are going to give their employees a 25% discount on top of Black Friday prices so I'm going to take advantage of that for sure. Smile

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Just wanted to say that Black Friday would be my own personal hell, no matter what day/time Walmart or whatever stores open. "Black Friday". Sounds like a stock market crash or something. Lots of people up here drive down for Black Friday shopping, but I doubt they will take advantage of Thursday "Black Friday" shopping since Thursday is not our holiday.l

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"Spacers" wrote:

Or just stop buying all the ridiculous **** that Walmart sells and end the madness that way. Blum 3

Do you think that Walmart is the only store that participates in Black Friday sales?

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I think I say this every year, but Black Friday shopping sounds like my own personal version of hell. I'm not eager for it to start that much earlier, and I feel bad for anyone who is forced to work those days, although some people may volunteer to do it for the overtime which is fine with me. When DH was a young man (before he dated me) he used to volunteer for every holiday for the double time and a half and because it was very very slow on the holidays and thus easy work. Of course, Black Friday would be the opposite experience, seeing as how it is way busier than usual, so presumably harder work.

This is how I feel...it sounds awful and I'm happy to be snug and safe in my home while other people are standing in lines and pushing each other out of the way for bargains. One year we were looking for a new tv so we took advantage of the online deals, but we don't usually buy big ticket items for Christmas anyway, and I hate shopping and crowds.

I think there are plenty of people who want to work the overtime hours AND get away from their families. Thanksgiving is a much bigger holiday here in the U.S. than in Canada, and when I first moved here, most of the people I met DREADED Thanksgiving and would have been thrilled to have an excuse to avoid going home for it. Hopefully there are enough of the people who do and don't want to work that it mostly evens out.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Do you think that Walmart is the only store that participates in Black Friday sales?

I'm not Stacey but I'm 99.9% sure she's aware of that.

I'm 99.9% sure she was responding to Gloria's comment which referenced Walmart.

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I wouldn't last 5 minutes on Black Friday, lol! not for me. ( I do however shop the morning after christmas....very early I run to Target and snag up a bunch of stuff for the next year)

I wouldn't boycott because I don't think it is truly an issue. I agree with other posts that most of these stores were probably not even going to be closed (meaning no employees working, stocking, etc.) It is what comes with a job in retail. I worked several holidays when I was waiting tables and people were no more pleasant, and actually not very 'giving', anymore on those days. I made it home for leftovers or we celebrated seperately at a different time.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

I'm not Stacey but I'm 99.9% sure she's aware of that.

I'm 99.9% sure she was responding to Gloria's comment which referenced Walmart.

And I'm 99.9% sure that she referenced only Walmart because they are the Eeeevil scapegoat of all the bad practices that happen in any retail chain. So it is all Walmart's fault that people have to work on Black Friday ... or Thursday.

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Which would be a separate question now wouldn't it?

She did state she hates that any store is open though, not just Walmart.

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I dislike any store that is opening ridiculously early and on Thursday. I especially hate Walmart in general Smile

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Laws here prohibit stores from being open on Thursday. While i guess i could be convinced that a law like that shouldn't exist, i will admit I like it!

Add me to the list of Walmart haters. I will unashamedly use them as the icon of our cheap, materialistic society and they have enough power and clout to influence others...so yep. I put them as the lowest of low.

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I have been to Walmart more times in the past 3 days than I ever have. It's awfully depressing. BUT, in the 20.5 years I have been living here, I finally received good customer service. I told the manager how helpful and pleasant the gentleman was. She couldn't have cared less (SURPRISE!).

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Depending on when and where you go, it isn't that bad. Two years I got an amazing deal at Sam's Club but the store was nearly empty at the time. The deal I am after this year is at Walmart at 8 AM Friday. It will be well worth waiting in line for an hour or 2, but anything longer than that and I'll wait.

As for opening on Thursday and employees having to work, it doesn't bother me so much. Many companies hire seasonal workers; those workers accepted employment knowing that they may have to work a lot of hours over the holiday season.

In CA, they are required to pay overtime after 8 hours in a day and over 40 hours in a week. Depending on the circumstances, employees can make a lot of extra money!

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

As for opening on Thursday and employees having to work, it doesn't bother me so much. Many companies hire seasonal workers; those workers accepted employment knowing that they may have to work a lot of hours over the holiday season.

This is true, I took on a Christmas casual job one year and I knew I would be working nearly constantly in the lead up and after Christmas. I did a shift where I ended up finishing at 2am (store closed at midnight but we still had a few customers come in just before we had to finish serving then close up, count money etc), backed up with a 9-6 shift the next day. It's what you sign up for as a Christmas casual

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Walmart is open 24 hours so they have employees that have to work whether they are having Black Friday specials or not. One of my co-worker's husband is a manager at a Black Eyed Pea and she said he will be working all day because that is one of their biggest days of the year because a lot of people that don't want to make Thanksgiving dinner go there for turkey.

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