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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I would not say that it is ok in a debate forum like this to call anyone names, whether that is calling someone a looser, a sinner, a bigot, a murderer (abortion debates), a racist or any other name. If it is not ok to call people names, then it is not ok to just not call names all except the one that is considered politically correct.
    But "bigot" isn't a hateful name. I can get behind not name-calling in general, but the word itself is not a hateful one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    But "bigot" isn't a hateful name. I can get behind not name-calling in general, but the word itself is not a hateful one.
    I believe that it is, but I have been proved wrong on the intent of words before. When you call someone a bigot, what are you trying to convey? Is it that you can't stand a person for what they believe in? Is it that you are so against what that person does that you can not tolerate them or their behaviour? I could be wrong, but in my experience people that call those that are against homosexuals as bigots, are trying to convey that they hate the person they are addressing. In my opinion, there is no place for that. You can be strongly against something without resorting to calling them mean names. For example, I am passionately against abortion. However, it does not further my debate or is it acceptable to call anyone that has had an abortion a murderer. Even if I strongly disagree what a person believes in, I still need to be able to debate without calling them names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I believe that it is, but I have been proved wrong on the intent of words before. When you call someone a bigot, what are you trying to convey? Is it that you can't stand a person for what they believe in? Is it that you are so against what that person does that you can not tolerate them or their behaviour? I could be wrong, but in my experience people that call those that are against homosexuals as bigots, are trying to convey that they hate the person they are addressing. In my opinion, there is no place for that. You can be strongly against something without resorting to calling them mean names. For example, I am passionately against abortion. However, it does not further my debate or is it acceptable to call anyone that has had an abortion a murderer. Even if I strongly disagree what a person believes in, I still need to be able to debate without calling them names.
    You are adding meaning to it. It doesn't mean you can't stand a person. It means that you think their view is intolerant and prejudiced.

    To me there are separate issues at play here.

    1. Name calling. I agree that it doesn't help sway anyone to your side, and it is mean-spirited.
    2. The word bigot, which is used to describe, specifically, someone who is intolerant of others due to prejudice.
    3. I don't think anyone who has called someone a bigot in this debate is trying to convey that they hate them!

    I want to add that the reason I would call someone a bigot is to make it clear that I think their views are prejudiced and unfair, that they are grouping people together and making inaccurate, unfair assumptions about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Jake is heavily sedated and my friends all just left. I can't sleep. Good to discuss bigotry rather than relieve trauma
    I hope Jake heals up well, and quickly, from whatever is ailing him! One of my worst fears is that one of my kids might end up in the ER as often as I did. (((hugs)))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Jake is heavily sedated and my friends all just left. I can't sleep. Good to discuss bigotry rather than relieve trauma
    Ah Melis, I knew your little boy was in the hospital several days ago. I'm sorry that he's really not well and I know how difficult it is to have a little one in the hospital for days and days. Thoughts and prayers are with you, your family and especially Jake. Take care, mama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveFreeOrDie View Post
    Can't you join facebook like a normal person in the 21st century?
    Since I was last here, I got a divorce. AND I'm pregnant again. Which is really why I'm back. My life has been like the Maury Povich show, so I try to avoid the general public in that scenario. I don't know how frequent I will be since I am studying for the ordination board in April, and I have about 40 books left to read. But I love you guys.
    Welcome back! Sorry about the rough patch but I hope things are much better now

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    ((hugs)) Melis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Ah Melis, I knew your little boy was in the hospital several days ago. I'm sorry that he's really not well and I know how difficult it is to have a little one in the hospital for days and days. Thoughts and prayers are with you, your family and especially Jake. Take care, mama.

    Thank you all so much. Jake had his tonsils and adenoids removed last monday down at CHOP in Philly. He wasn't released until Friday which was very unusual, but he refused to eat or drink. Last night he had a massive hemorrhage from his mouth ~ a scab ruptured and there was a ton of blood and membranous and scar tissue/clots. I was home with the three kids alone, DH was on his way home from a meeting. The bleeding started, I called 911, and within 9 minutes he was unconscious in my arms and barely breathing. This was all in front of my other 2 children. The bleeding was so heavy and it was the most frightening thing I have ever experienced. My husband arrived home to what looked like a murder scene 2 minutes before the ambulance arrived. Thankfully my parents were there within minutes and DH could join us at the hospital. He was rushed into emergency surgery at our local hospital as he was in critical condition and too unstable to transfer to CHOP where his original surgery had taken place. He has been sedated all day but his hemoglobin is very low (7.3) ~ below 8 usually indicates a need for a blood transfer, but they are loathe to do it due to his young age and the risk of complications. He lost half of the blood in his little body last night on our kitchen floor while in my arms. To say that it has been a stressful 24 hours would be an understatement. I honestly thought he was going to die. I have never experienced anything like that in my life before. So appreciate any good thoughts, energy or prayers. Thank you all.

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    Praying for your little man and for your whole family. I cannot even begin to imagine something like that.
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    Melissa, I won't rest easy until i know you and Jake are resting easy. I want the speediest recovery for him you can possibly get. Hugs.

    Laurie, I'm sending you a PM!

    and Robin, you know I'm happy you are here! Swing by as often as your schedule will let you...pleeease!

    OH yeah and debate blah blah debate debate....and all that stuff too

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