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    Some of us would rather be in a smaller group that is inclusive of everyone, than to be part of a larger group that discrimates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I guess we have Canada as an example of what the Boy Scouts have to look forward to if this is changed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Some of us would rather be in a smaller group that is inclusive of everyone, than to be part of a larger group that discrimates.
    So why don't you just start your own group then?
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    Why recreate the wheel? The problem isn't that a group doesn't already exist. The Boy Scouts already exist, and they are already doing a great job of developing boys into fine young men. Why try to duplicate that? The sad thing is that some of those boys and young men are gay and therefore not allowed to continue scounting, or not allowed to be Scoutmasters when they have their own children. That's the problem. Discrimation should never be considered a family value.
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    The Boy Scouts of America are also declining in population and struggling with finances. This is just a trend in scouting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Why recreate the wheel? The problem isn't that a group doesn't already exist. The Boy Scouts already exist, and they are already doing a great job of developing boys into fine young men. Why try to duplicate that? The sad thing is that some of those boys and young men are gay and therefore not allowed to continue scounting, or not allowed to be Scoutmasters when they have their own children. That's the problem. Discrimation should never be considered a family value.
    But the group that already exists doesn't have the same values as you do. I don't see how it makes sense to force all the people out that are in Scouts now so people that don't agree with the core values of the program can take it over. The reason it does a great job of developing boys into fine men is because of the rules they currently have in place. If this is changed it won't be the first thing to change and in a few years it won't even be recognizable as the Boy Scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    The Boy Scouts of America are also declining in population and struggling with finances. This is just a trend in scouting.
    They didn't lose more than half their membership in 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But the group that already exists doesn't have the same values as you do. I don't see how it makes sense to force all the people out that are in Scouts now so people that don't agree with the core values of the program can take it over. The reason it does a great job of developing boys into fine men is because of the rules they currently have in place. If this is changed it won't be the first thing to change and in a few years it won't even be recognizable as the Boy Scouts.
    But they DO share those values. My son was in the scouts up until recently and the parents there hate the gay ban and had to come to terms with it to allow their kids in the scouts. Many of the dads have fond memories of being in scouts (like my husband) and are dismayed by the prejudice exhibited by the leadership, but since it doesn't trickle down to a local level here, they had their sons join.

    Boys can develop into fine men with gay scout leaders. Gay boys develop into fine men, too.
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    From the Boy Scouts of America website, the 12 Core Values. I don't see discrimination on this list. I do see at lot of things that I do value and would love for my son to have reinforced in other places than just at home. Bolding is not mine, that's the formatting that came with the copied text.


    Citizenship: Contributing service and showing responsibility to local, state, and national communities.

    Compassion: Being kind and considerate, and showing concern for the well-being of others.

    Cooperation: Being helpful and working together with others toward a common goal

    Courage: Being brave and doing what is right regardless of our fears, the difficulties, or the consequences.

    Faith: Having inner strength and confidence based on our trust in God.

    Health and Fitness: Being personally committed to keeping our minds and bodies clean and fit.

    Honesty:
    Telling the truth and being worthy of trust.

    Perseverance: Sticking with something and not giving up, even if it is difficult.

    Positive Attitude: Being cheerful and setting our minds to look for and find the best in all situations.

    Resourcefulness: Using human and other resources to their fullest.

    Respect: Showing regard for the worth of something or someone.

    Responsibility: Fulfilling our duty to God, country, other people, and ourselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    From the Boy Scouts of America website, the 12 Core Values. I don't see discrimination on this list. I do see at lot of things that I do value and would love for my son to have reinforced in other places than just at home. Bolding is not mine, that's the formatting that came with the copied text.


    Citizenship: Contributing service and showing responsibility to local, state, and national communities.

    Compassion: Being kind and considerate, and showing concern for the well-being of others.

    Cooperation: Being helpful and working together with others toward a common goal

    Courage: Being brave and doing what is right regardless of our fears, the difficulties, or the consequences.

    Faith: Having inner strength and confidence based on our trust in God.

    Health and Fitness: Being personally committed to keeping our minds and bodies clean and fit.

    Honesty:
    Telling the truth and being worthy of trust.

    Perseverance: Sticking with something and not giving up, even if it is difficult.

    Positive Attitude: Being cheerful and setting our minds to look for and find the best in all situations.

    Resourcefulness: Using human and other resources to their fullest.

    Respect: Showing regard for the worth of something or someone.

    Responsibility: Fulfilling our duty to God, country, other people, and ourselves
    Yep. These are all values I agree with except the Faith one, and my son & husband have different beliefs from mine so they agree with the Faith one too.
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