Thread: Boy Scouts Tp (Possibly) End Homosexual Ban

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

Or maybe just biased the other way, since it doesn't even mention the change in membership rules.

Why would they? It's not a change in Canada, Boy Scouts of Canada have never had a rule against gay members, they're not as awful as the Boy Scouts of America.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

Gloria - Here (In the heart of the Bible Belt), I know no one that has their children in boy scouts or girl scouts. (I am sure there are some, I just do not know them) The Conservative Christians have created their own thriving separate group that does not have to worry about following the rules of the parent organisation. This is what I would suspect would happen if the rules changed to not fit the values of the people who wanted to come.

Yeah, my ex-evangelical boyfriend went to Christian boy scouts. His evangelical mother thought the Boy Scouts were way too Godless. I don't buy that the Boy Scouts would die based on the gays being allowed in. Most of the gay men I know were once Boy Scouts. It churns them out, ladies. In fact, I can't think of anything much gay-er than the Boy Scouts, except maybe Smith College and the theater.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

Texas is in the Bible belt too. And I know a lot of people that have their kids in boy scouts. My own boys have been in scouts. My stepson has been in the scouts for the last 3 years. Our church and many churches in the area sponsor scout troops. In fact this past Sunday was Scout Sunday and the Scouts led the church services for our evening service. In fact there are a whole group of special awards that can be earned based on religious values. The majority of these troops will not stay in the scouts if this rule changes, just as they didn't in Canada.

Religious Emblems Programs

And all of the churches where I come from refuse to give out badges to Boy Scouts because of their anti-gay policies.

Originally Posted by Jessica80

Did I make up the "Jesus is the Prince of Peace" thing in my head?

Well maybe we should see what he had to say about it.

Matthew 10
34 ?Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law?
36 a man?s enemies will be the members of his own household.

37 ?Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

Yeah..no....not on board with a violent Jesus. *shudder*

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

The Boy Scouts won it's Supreme Court case because homosexual conduct is inconsistent with their values. If they allow local troops to make their own decision about this, they won't be able to make that argument anymore. If 70% of Scouts are sponsored by churches and 70% of those who attend church think that homosexuality is wrong, you can bet that more than half of the Boy Scouts membership will be gone and the organization will be destroyed if this rule is changed. It's like a little kid saying if you don't let me in I am going to destroy your club so you can't have it either.



Boy Scouts of America and the dismantling of core values - The Washington Post

I think that its so sad that they say that homosexual conduct is immoral to the boy scouts but diddling little boys is a-ok. That's really the main reason I wouldn't let my son be a scout, today. I don't know what goes on in your bible belt, but the idea of adults playing around below MY sons belt, and other adults covering it up, is not kosher with me. And lets not forget,

95% of known Pedophiles are heterosexual

Pedophilia and Child Sexual Molestation

Boy Scouts 'Perversion' Files Show Locals Helped Cover Up Child Sex Abuse By Scoutmasters

Just one (of thousands!) of examples of the Scouts and the church working together. If this is their version of "morally straight" my sons and I will stay crooked, thank you please.

Clark also alleged that though the Scout leader was removed, he was allowed to stay on as a volunteer and the abuse continued. In 1983, the assistant Scoutmaster told troop leaders he abused 17 Scouts, according to plaintiff's attorneys.
In its verdict, the jury held the Boy Scouts of America 60% negligent; the Cascade Pacific Council, which oversees Scouting activities in the region, 15% negligent; and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 25% negligent.
The church has sponsored a number of Boy Scout troops, including the one to which the plaintiff belonged. A lawyer representing the church said then that the verdict had no impact on the church, because it settled the case out of court more than a year earlier.

95% of known Pedophiles are heterosexual

100% of male pedophiles that rape boys in the Boy Scouts are homosexual.

The reason 95% of pedophiles are heterosexual is because most pedophiles are men and 95% of men are heterosexual so they molest girls instead of boys.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

100% of male pedophiles that rape boys in the Boy Scouts are homosexual.

The reason 95% of pedophiles are heterosexual is because most pedophiles are men and 95% of men are heterosexual so they molest girls instead of boys.

Gloria, I know that that is what you have to believe because of your biblical views on homosexuality, but it simply isn't what science tells us. I'm sorry. Please take the time to read this, or any one of the multitude of studies like it.

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

Your views make you a bit of a dinosaur, actually.

Public belief in the stereotype

The number of Americans who believe the myth that gay people are child molesters has declined substantially. In a 1970 national survey, more than 70% of respondents agreed with the assertions that "Homosexuals are dangerous as teachers or youth leaders because they try to get sexually involved with children" or that "Homosexuals try to play sexually with children if they cannot get an adult partner."1By contrast, in a 1999 national poll, the belief that most gay men are likely to molest or abuse children was endorsed by only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women. Even fewer – 9% of men and 6% of women – regarded most lesbians as child molesters.

And those numbers are from 15 years ago, I imagine with the continued education and exposure we all have they have dropped substantially more from there.

AS to your assertion that 100% of the men (apparently morally straight scout leaders who had themselves sworn their scout oath, husbands, fathers, and scouts themselves) who molested or had sexual contact with or raped little boys or young men and then were sheltered and protected by the scouts......could you please prove how you are 100% certain that they are homosexual?

I do understand that these may be the people that you are listening to

http://www.advocate.com/youth/2013/0...hild-molesters

I think that these people are scary and sadly confusing their political position with actual facts.

Originally Posted by Potter75

AS to your assertion that 100% of the men (apparently morally straight scout leaders who had themselves sworn their scout oath, husbands, fathers, and scouts themselves) who molested or had sexual contact with or raped little boys or young men and then were sheltered and protected by the scouts......could you please prove how you are 100% certain that they are homosexual?

I don't have to prove anything. The definition of homosexual is sex between the same gender. So 100% of men who rape boys are committing a homosexual act. That is a fact. How they identify themselves doesn't matter.